[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

Well, I don't really have a good choice of churches around here. So, myself and some locals gather every Sunday and Wednesday at one of our houses. I have yet to make and introduction.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

[BenSpeck]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

Well, I don't really have a good choice of churches around here. So, myself and some locals gather every Sunday and Wednesday at one of our houses. I have yet to make and introduction.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

And what church do you attend down there?

Have you made an introduction thread that I missed?

[BenSpeck]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

And where is that exactly?

Jasper, Alabama. I've got a bit of family up north, and a bit in texas, but there's not a whole lot of us.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

I am not. It's suprising to hear that I share a name with somebody though. Speck is a pretty rare surname where I live.

And where is that exactly?

[BenSpeck]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

Are you the Ben Speck out of Eldora, Iowa? You're not far from Freehold.

I am not. It's suprising to hear that I share a name with somebody though. Speck is a pretty rare surname where I live.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

I chose Ben Speck because it's my name. Don't try to make a big deal out of nothing.

Are you the Ben Speck out of Eldora, Iowa? You're not far from Freehold.

[BenSpeck]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

So did you choose the name "Speck" because of its likeness to Spock, who was the Marty Stu expression of Roddenberry's god complex?

Or did you choose "Ben Speck" to honor Richard Speck the serial killer?

I chose Ben Speck because it's my name. Don't try to make a big deal out of nothing.

[handmaiden]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes." - Gene Roddenberry

So did you choose the name "Speck" because of its likeness to Spock, who was the Marty Stu expression of Roddenberry's god complex?

Or did you choose "Ben Speck" to honor Richard Speck the serial killer?


And according to Genesis, God did not create Adam and Eve "faulty". He created them free. They used that freedom to question God's authority. God was understandably peeved.


Helpfully Yours,

Handmaiden

[BelieverInGod]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

A mugger with a gun could kill you if you didn't think he was perfect.

But that doesn't make him perfect.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

Simply because someone can, and has the intention of, doing something extremely atrocious to you doesn't make them perfect or good, it makes them an inherent monster.

And also, God can hardly be perfect. Perfect is an almost arbitrary term, because such a thing can't exist. Everyone has a different standardized view of perfect, if it's even imaginable.

And God can't be perfect by his own standards: because to him, that would simply be average.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

It really doesn't matter what you think. What matters is pleasing God, and proclaiming that He is perfect is the only way to do that

Amen.

[Virtuoso]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

Simply because someone can, and has the intention of, doing something extremely atrocious to you doesn't make them perfect or good, it makes them an inherent monster.

And also, God can hardly be perfect. Perfect is an almost arbitrary term, because such a thing can't exist. Everyone has a different standardized view of perfect, if it's even imaginable.

And God can't be perfect by his own standards: because to him, that would simply be average.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

A mugger with a gun could kill you if you didn't think he was perfect.

But that doesn't make him perfect.

God is perfect because He says so and nobody can disagree with Him.

I won't call a mugger perfect because God will send me to hell, because according to Him, only He is perfect. If the mugger could send me to hell, then he would be perfect.

[Virtuoso]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

A mugger with a gun could kill you if you didn't think he was perfect.

But that doesn't make him perfect.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: How do we combat such views as this?

As with man: Morality ends where a gun begins.

This does not make him perfect, but more of a zealous street urchin demanding not for your cash, but for your acceptance and your mind.

This is more of a special pleading and appeal to authority, you can't judge God's actions to be bad and not good or good and not bad.

Just like a mugger with a gun pointed at your head isn't perfect, neither is God for the above stated reasons.

God makes himself perfect because He can kill everyone who disagrees.

Amen.