[Rainbow<3]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

ManyPaths:

Thanks so much! Finally, I feel appreciated! lol

Everything you said in that post is exactly what I've been trying to say one way or another. =]

[Higgins]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so. It should be noted that Aristotle gives one of the characteristics of perfection as being without change, but since human beings change (they go from living to death) they must not have reached perfection.

[ManyPaths]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so. It should be noted that Aristotle gives one of the characteristics of perfection as being without change, but since human beings change (they go from living to death) they must not have reached perfection.

I totally agree. One of the 3 marks of existence is Buddhism is "anicca" or change. Everything changes.

This is spiritual wisdom found in many paths.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so. It should be noted that Aristotle gives one of the characteristics of perfection as being without change, but since human beings change (they go from living to death) they must not have reached perfection.

You think Aristotle was a True Christian(TM)?

And no, the Bible specifically says that once you are awash in the blood of Christ, you cannot sin. False christians sin all the time, they're the ones promoting that it's okay to sin as long as you've been baptized. They want to promote baptism as a "get out of hell free" card. Trust me, baptism is only the beginning.

Who said anything about being perfect? We all make mistakes, a mistake is not a sin. Tripping over the dog is a mistake, sleeping with him is a sin. I am really concerned with secular society that people like you cannot understand the difference.

[Meek and Humble]

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And while yes, accepting Jesus as our Savior cleanses us of our sins, we still sin. No one but Jesus is perfect, and as I said earlier, to claim to be on the same level as Jesus is totally arrogant, and not honoring to him at all...

Matthew 5:28 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

John 10: 34 Jesus answered, "It is written in your law that God said, 'I said, you are gods.'[a] 35 This Scripture called those people gods who received God's message, and Scripture is always true.

And even though I don't have a Bible in front of me THIS VERY MOMENT, doesn't mean that I'm automatically wrong.

www.biblegateway.com There you go. Prove me wrong.

[Higgins]

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Aren't all sins mistakes though? As they go against the will of God?

[BelieverInGod]

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Aren't all sins mistakes though? As they go against the will of God?

No. Most sins are quite purposeful. Did the homosexual mistakenly fall on the other guys tallywhacker? Did someone mistakenly lie? cheat? steal?

A sin is breaking one of Gods commandments, yes some can be done mistakenly, but not all mistakes are sins.

[Meek and Humble]

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And if Christians didn't sin, then why do they go to confession

We don't. Catholics do that. They are not Christians.

and pray for Jesus to forgive them? Remember the Lords Prayer?

1. Christ has taught us to pray for entire, in the sense of perpetual sanctification.

2. He designed, that we should expect this prayer to be answered, or that we should mock Him by asking what we do not believe is agreeable to His will, and that too which we know could not consistently be granted; and that we are to repeat this insult to God as often as we pray.


3. The petition for forgiveness of our trespasses, it is plain, must apply to past sins, and not to sins we are committing at the time we make the prayer; for it would be absurd and abominable to pray for the forgiveness of a sin which we are then in the act of committing.

4. This prayer cannot properly be made in respect to any sin of which we have not repented; for it would be highly abominable in the sight of God, to pray for the forgiveness of a sin of which we did not repent.


5. If there be any hour or day in which a man has committed no actual sin, he could not consistently make this prayer in reference to that hour or that day.

6. But at the very time, it would be highly proper for him to make this prayer in relation to all his past sins, and that too, although he may have repented of, and confessed them, and prayed for their forgiveness, a thousand times before.

7. And although his sins may be forgiven, he ought still to confess them, to repent of them, both in this world and in the world to come.

All this judgement on this forum is a sin. Jesus was totally against judging.

Nonsense.

If you think the Bible forbids judging others, then you haven't read it. The Bible forbids superficial judgment based on appearances and it forbids hypocrisy, but it does not forbid judgment. On the contrary, the saved are commanded to pass judgment on others.

Lev 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I Cor 6:2-3 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Liberal Christians frequently take Matthew 7:1 out of context by claiming that it is prohibition against judging others. The full context is Matthew 7:1-5, and it is a prohibition against hypocrisy.

All that matters is the Golden Rule. Do that, and you're on a good spiritual path.

If that we true, then why not just make the entire Bible the "Golden Rule"? Why did God write all the rest of it?

[Meek and Humble]

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I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so.

If they sinned, it is a sign that they were never saved to begin with.

[Higgins]

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No. Most sins are quite purposeful. Did the homosexual mistakenly fall on the other guys tallywhacker? Did someone mistakenly lie? cheat? steal?

A sin is breaking one of Gods commandments, yes some can be done mistakenly, but not all mistakes are sins.

I stand corrected, thank you. I should note that I was giving Aristotle's view on the subject after all he has been linked to Christianity thorough some of its history (for the last 8 centuries give or take).

[Jedediah]

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And if Christians didn't sin, then why do they go to confession and pray for Jesus to forgive them? Remember the Lords Prayer? All this judgement on this forum is a sin. Jesus was totally against judging.

Wrong again, Jezebel. Only Roman Catlickers go to confession, and they can hardly be considered Christian. A True Christian™ has no need for confession, because we are sinless, as has already been explained to you on multiple occasions.

As for the LORD's Prayer, you are taking this out of context. Jesus instructed His disciples to say this prayer at a time before His temporary death on the cross. They were not absolved of sin at this point. But we, the children of God who have been washed in the BLOOD of JESUS, have been washed of our sins and abide in True Christian Perfection™. Scriptural affirmation is available upon request, or you could just read the previous posts in this thread.

As for our Christian prerogative to judge, please take the time out of your busy schedule of smoking drugs and fornicating with your mudslime boyfriend to read this illuminating clarification of God's position on judgment.

I am actually with Rainbow on this one. True Christians can sin. They still have free will and can choose to do so. It should be noted that Aristotle gives one of the characteristics of perfection as being without change, but since human beings change (they go from living to death) they must not have reached perfection.

Son, can you back any of that up with Scripture? Was Aristotle washed in the Blood of Jesus? Take a look at the verse in my signature. You would do well to ponder that.

Also consider this verse from I Timothy 6:20-21:

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Your fancy book learning will win you no arguments here, boy. Take that garbage back to your liberal elite cocktail parties where it should stay.

[Meek and Humble]

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I stand corrected, thank you. I should note that I was giving Aristotle's view on the subject after all he has been linked to Christianity thorough some of its history (for the last 8 centuries give or take).

Yes, and that is just about the time that the Catholic SATANIC Church hijacked the name Christian and turned into a Greco-Roman Pagan religion. I'm not surprised that they would be interested in the ramblings of an evil homosexual philosopher.

[Higgins]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

Son, can you back any of that up with Scripture? Was Aristotle washed in the Blood of Jesus? Take a look at the verse in my signature. You would do well to ponder that.

Also consider this verse from I Timothy 6:20-21:

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

Your fancy book learning will win you no arguments here, boy. Take that garbage back to your liberal elite cocktail parties where it should stay.

Aristotle, no, using scripture I cannot prove that he was washed in the blood of Christ (this should come of no surprise since Aristotle died before Christ came to the Earth in bodily form). So you are correct in stating that, but what about Peter? I imagine someone who took the Blood of Christ at the Last Supper would be not have denied Christ three times (See Mark 14:66-72). Of course I could be wrong about it since the Bible does not say that Peter was physically washed but rather drank the Blood of Christ.

[Meek and Humble]

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Aristotle, no, using scripture I cannot prove that he was washed in the blood of Christ (this should come of no surprise since Aristotle died before Christ came to the Earth in bodily form). So you are correct in stating that, but what about Peter? I imagine someone who took the Blood of Christ at the Last Supper would be not have denied Christ three times (See Mark 14:66-72). Of course I could be wrong about it since the Bible does not say that Peter was physically washed but rather drank the Blood of Christ.

Ridiculous. Peter denied Christ BEFORE He was crucified. He did not literally drink the blood of Christ at the last supper - that is a heretical Catholic dogma. It was regular plain wine. Jesus was speaking metaphorically of His death the next day. Peter sinned before that.

[Jedediah]

Re: Real Christians NEVER Sin!

Aristotle, no, using scripture I cannot prove that he was washed in the blood of Christ (this should come of no surprise since Aristotle died before Christ came to the Earth in bodily form). So you are correct in stating that, but what about Peter? I imagine someone who took the Blood of Christ at the Last Supper would be not have denied Christ three times (See Mark 14:66-72). Of course I could be wrong about it since the Bible does not say that Peter was physically washed but rather drank the Blood of Christ.

Peter was not washed of sin until after Jesus' crucifixion. Care to lob another softball, or are you ready to abandon your vain academics and give your life to the LORD?