[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

The difference is I accepted a long time ago that I accept that scripture has to be read in light of reason, as guided by the Holy Spirit. Your lot, on the other hand, accept blindly what is there. The sola scriptura approach is a heresy, and is not even found within the Bible itself.

Of course you would say that. Your only hope of deluding yourself is through heresey like that. All you deviant queers are beating the same drum: Just believe part of the Bible, and skip the parts that forbid the sin I wallow in.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Scripture Challenge

Paul used the Greek word malakoi which means soft, fine or weak. To translate it as 'effeminate' or anything remotely connected to homosexuality is a mistranslation. If Paul wished to condemn homosexuals he would have used the common term of the day, paiderasste.

The last queer who tried to make this argument said that Paul invented the word malakoi.

Since this is such a non-offensive word, why don't you go around calling every Greek person you meet a malaka? I'm sure they won't be offended at all.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

The difference is I accepted a long time ago that I accept that scripture has to be read in light of reason, as guided by the Holy Spirit. Your lot, on the other hand, accept blindly what is there. The sola scriptura approach is a heresy, and is not even found within the Bible itself.

That makes no sense friend. If we instinctively know virtue why would we need The Bible in the first place? If virtue came naturally to people secular law we humans create would be enough to protect us from sinners.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

The difference is I accepted a long time ago that I accept that scripture has to be read in light of reason, as guided by the Holy Spirit.

So you're subjectively analyzing Scripture, yes? I'm pretty sure the "Holy Spirit" allows you to read the Bible and find that it happens to agree with your preconceived notions already, making it much easier for you to digest. Whereas, the Holy Bible says that the Holy Spirit itself inspired the writers, so it doesn't need further inspiration. It tells you to read it for what it is, since it is the Word of God.

2nd Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2nd Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Your lot, on the other hand, accept blindly what is there. The sola scriptura approach is a heresy, and is not even found within the Bible itself.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Scripture Challenge

Contrary to popular opinion, a sodomite is not a homosexual. Learn what the term means.

sod·om·y

   /ˈsɒdəmi/ Show Spelled[sod-uh-mee] Show IPA
–noun 1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.

2. copulation with a member of the same sex.

3. bestiality
-definition from dictionary.com

So, not all sodomites are homosexuals, but all homosexuals ARE sodomites.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

Ah I see. So some parts of the law still apply, whereas others don't? How convenient. Except Christ's statement in Matt 5:18 makes no distinction between the Jews and the gentiles.

Again, we are not Jews, when Jesus said that he was talking to the Jews, wasn't he. Just because you're a hell bound hypocrite does not mean that you have to drag as many as you can into hell with you.

Now stop twisting scripture and go read your Bible.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

The difference is I accepted a long time ago that I accept that scripture has to be read in light of reason, as guided by the Holy Spirit. Your lot, on the other hand, accept blindly what is there. The sola scriptura approach is a heresy, and is not even found within the Bible itself.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

Ah I see. So some parts of the law still apply, whereas others don't? How convenient.

But, isn't this exactly what you've been doing? For you to claim to be both gay and a Christian, you have to throw out Leviticus (among other books as well). I guess God thought homosexuality was an abomination, worthy of death for over 4000 years, then suddenly He enters into the world as Jesus and changes his mind completely. "Hmm...I guess we can stop killing people for homosexuality. In fact, it's not a sin any more!"

Friend, I think need to remove the beam in your own eye before judging others (Matt. 7:1-5).

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

Ah I see. So some parts of the law still apply, whereas others don't? How convenient. Except Christ's statement in Matt 5:18 makes no distinction between the Jews and the gentiles.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

It is always interesting when arch-fundies invoke 1 Corinthians 10:23 as a get out clause for disapplying the parts of the law they don't like. The verse raises two very important questions:

1. If "everything" is indeed permissible, then is homosexuality.

If you read it in context, Paul was speaking specifically about food.
1 Corinthians 10

19What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
22Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
23All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
24Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
25Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
27If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
28But if any man say unto you, this is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
29Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
30For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
31Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Sorry to confuse you about that. But no, it does not have to do with homosexuality.


2. The scripture contradicts Christ's own statement in Matt 5:18 where he says that not one jot or tittle will pass from the law until heaven and earth passed away. Last time I checked that hasn't happened yet. Are you folks calling Christ a liar?[/QUOTE]
Except that us gentiles were never under the law in the first place. Of course this also meant that we were never able to get into Heaven until Jesus' sacrifice and Paul bringing the message to the Gentiles. Now if I were to convert to Judaism, and become a Jew for Jesus, then yes I would have to follow the entire law. The thing is I find this very clear, and I can only see one reason that you cannot.

John 8:42-45 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Scripture Challenge

You are extremely ignorant. Aids can only be transmitted through blood, jizz, and breastmilk. NOTHING ELSE.

Breastmilk?<----- How can you get that from a homer man unless that is what you call ........ never mind

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Scripture Challenge

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version) 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul used the Greek word malakoi which means soft, fine or weak. To translate it as 'effeminate' or anything remotely connected to homosexuality is a mistranslation. If Paul wished to condemn homosexuals he would have used the common term of the day, paiderasste.

Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version) 22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Learn the context of the passage! You cannot take it in isolation. It is part of the wider Holiness Code which concerned sexual practices in pagan temples. It prohibits homosexual relations in a women's bed within a pagan temple. It has no wider application.

Leviticus 20:13 (King James Version) 13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Context and meaning is precisely the same as above.

Romans 1:26-27 (King James Version) 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

The passage has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality, but instead refers to early Christians who left the Church and revered to pagan practices, including participating in both homosexual and heterosexual orgies.

Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Contrary to popular opinion, a sodomite is not a homosexual. Learn what the term means.

1 Kings 15:11-12 And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

Nothing here about homosexuality. You need to learn what the sin of Sodom was.

1 Kings 22:45-46 45Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, and his might that he shewed, and how he warred, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah? 46And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

Nothing here about homosexuality. You need to learn what the sin of Sodom was.

2 Kings 23:7 And he[Josiah] brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

Nothing here about homosexuality. You need to learn what the sin of Sodom was.

Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Nothing here about homosexuality. You need to learn what the sin of Sodom was.

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. (some believe this says the Antichrist will be gay)

NO reference to homosexuality here.

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

NO reference to homosexuality here.

Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Nothing here about homosexuality. You need to learn what the sin of Sodom was.

[bisexual-an-lovin-it]

Re: Scripture Challenge

If it is so horrible then give up your homer lifestyle so you do not catch it.

I won't get it because I am careful about whom I have sex with, and I'm not on herion, so theres virtually no way I'll get it

[Lisa H]

Re: Scripture Challenge

no, i don't actually, because AIDs is a horrible disease and I don't want anyone to have it. But i am trying to make you understand that people with AIDs are just people, dying people yes, but you won't catch AIDs unless you sleep with them, share a hypothermic needle with them or if they breastfeed you.

If it is so horrible then give up your homer lifestyle so you do not catch it.

[bisexual-an-lovin-it]

Re: Scripture Challenge

You are understating the communicability of AIDS because you want us to catch it.

no, i don't actually, because AIDs is a horrible disease and I don't want anyone to have it. But i am trying to make you understand that people with AIDs are just people, dying people yes, but you won't catch AIDs unless you sleep with them, share a hypothermic needle with them or if they breastfeed you.