[Meek and Humble]

Re: False Messages?

However, as this verse says, I am not going to conform to YOUR "pattern of the world."

Rom 12:2: Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind

Yes, because clearly we share the worldview of the majority of the world

[Meek and Humble]

Re: False Messages?

HeathenBasher, yes you can. As I said above, you need to believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose again. That above all else.

James 2: 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: False Messages?

Except often times, they are not "clear and precise". Things meant differently back then. For instance, it was not allowed in those days for women to teach the men. However, that is no longer the case, so that point becomes void now.

Then you are going to hell, blasphemer.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.


1st Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever.
1st Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1st Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Also, you're a woman, and I am a man? By your belief system, does that not mean that you should not be trying to correct me?

The Bible says women are not allowed to speak in church. It does not say that holy, upright women cannot correct heretical sinners. In fact, the Bible has many instances of female evangelists. Your sexism is NOT welcome here, sir! Read this post where it explains in more detail: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...78&postcount=8

In addition, is this not a attempt to corrupt our children? Telling them that what they're parents say is wrong, and that Children should correct their parents? This does not seem like "honoring your parents" to me.

If their parents are SINNERS, then yes. We are to obey God before our parents (and letting your parents go to hell is not that honorable either).

Luke 14:26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 10:35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

[A Follower]

Re: False Messages?

HeathenBasher, yes you can. As I said above, you need to believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose again. That above all else.

I have been praying that God will open your eyes, and save you from the delusions sent by Satan.

No, you are lying again. Girl, you need to read the Bible before you spout more nonsense.

The Bible doesn't change based on what year it is. God doesn't change based on what year it is. The rules don't change because a certain society commits more sins than in the past. When Sodom was full of fags did God change the rules and decide fags were normal from then on? No, He wiped them out!.

And there certainly isn't an "above all" rule in the Bible, the Bible clearly tells us it is the exact opposite.

James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

[Aidan1]

Re: False Messages?

I see Bobby. Basically what you are saying is...

That if you and your christain denomination do not mark someone a "True Christian TM" then obviously they must be wrong.

Apparently, you seem to think that people are only Christians if you and your fellows confirm them so.

However, as this verse says, I am not going to conform to YOUR "pattern of the world."

Rom 12:2: Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind

[Aidan1]

Re: False Messages?

HeathenBasher, yes you can. As I said above, you need to believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose again. That above all else.

I have been praying that God will open your eyes, and save you from the delusions sent by Satan.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: False Messages?

Except often times, they are not "clear and precise". Things meant differently back then. For instance, it was not allowed in those days for women to teach the men. However, that is no longer the case, so that point becomes void now.

NO, you don't get to make the rules for other people. That is only void in secular society. A TRUE Christian(tm) doesn't accept women over men. Therefore to a TRUE Christian(tm) ALL scripture is clear and precise. Only a FALSE Christian would see it otherwise.

[Aidan1]

Re: False Messages?

Except often times, they are not "clear and precise". Things meant differently back then. For instance, it was not allowed in those days for women to teach the men. However, that is no longer the case, so that point becomes void now.

Also, you're a woman, and I am a man? By your belief system, does that not mean that you should not be trying to correct me?

And HeathenBasher... really? Do you not know what the word Paganism means? It means a non-Christain religion. How does preaching out the right form of Christianity mean that I am trying to "corrupt your children to paganism"?

@AFollower: As the others, you seem to be deluded. Above all, to get into Heaven, you must believe that Jesus died for your sins and was raised again in 3 days. All other things pale in importance compared to that.

In addition, is this not a attempt to corrupt our children? Telling them that what they're parents say is wrong, and that Children should correct their parents? This does not seem like "honoring your parents" to me.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: False Messages?

He is JUSTIFIED, not saved by works.

To be justified, as I interpret it, means to have righteousness.

So, can we be saved without being justified? Use scripture.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: False Messages?

He is JUSTIFIED, not saved by works.

To be justified, as I interpret it, means to have righteousness.

Well, there's your problem. You're not supposed to "interpret" the clear and precise instructions laid out by GOD in the Bible! Do you "interpret" secular law too? "No, officer, I was not speeding based on my interpretation of the law, so driving at 120mph through a school zone is just fine!"

[A Follower]

Re: False Messages?

Do you really think God would want a thief to be with him in Heaven? Do you really think that stealing from God is not a sin? The Bible clearly states that not tithing is the same as stealing from God, and you will be cursed for it by God.

Malachi 3:8-9
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

So yes, the Playtime with Jesus page is accurate. Not paying the tithes means not going to heaven.

All the rest you complain about, saying only Faith is needed and we don't need to do any good works is simply slanderous. If you have Faith in God you will do the right thing (i.e. you will do whatever God asks of you), including not sinning, paying the tithes, etc.

[Aidan1]

Re: False Messages?

He is JUSTIFIED, not saved by works.

To be justified, as I interpret it, means to have righteousness.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: False Messages?

I see you enjoy taking the Scripture out of context. These verses state that you will be blessed in heaven and store up heavenly riches by doing good works.

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

[Aidan1]

Re: False Messages?

The Bible preaches sola fide?

Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Luke 8:21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

Who is the false prophet?

I see you enjoy taking the Scripture out of context. These verses state that you will be blessed in heaven and store up heavenly riches by doing good works. This does not mean, as you portray in "Playtime with Jesus" that you will not go to Heaven if you do not pay tithes. There are only two requirements for going to Heaven: Believing that Jesus is your savior, and died on the cross for you, and following the Ten Commandments. Now lets check my infractions shall we?

"Athiest scum using Landover to mock Christianity."

My goodness. This wouldn't be such a serious accusation, except that I am a Christian. Indeed, all Athiest Scum use the Bible and praise God while arguing with you?

And Levi, is that the only point you can attempt to refute? Have you no answer for any of the others?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: False Messages?

For the fun of it - you would know about it

THE BIBLICAL DESCRIPTION OF HELL

A place of hopelessness and suffering - as a woman is about to give birth to a child, many go through painful labor that can last from a few minutes to a few days. But through this painful anguishing time, there is hope that when the child is born this terrible labor pain will subside. Just imagine if you can if that pain was multiplied many times over and you would never have hope of it ever going away forever? You would do anything to die to get rid of the pain, but it would always remain and continue forever and ever and ever. THIS IS HELL!


A place of memory - When a person is tormented with a bitter memory they sometimes may commit suicide as a way out. In hell this is impossible because your spirit will never die, but will always remember how you sold your soul for the pleasures of this short sinful life. You will continue to always wish you were in heaven instead of hell, if only you would have made the right decision.


Oh man or woman, boy or girl without Christ, if only you would realize how dangerously close you are to hell. With each second that passes by, you are drawing nearer and nearer to hell. Actually this night your soul may be required of you and will pass into an eternity of the fires of hell that are never quenched!


Oh how completely the opposite is the Christian who knows the Lord Jesus as their Lord and Savior. They are living for Him now and wait with expedient hope of His return or when they will also get to pass into eternity and experience the complete glorious bliss called heaven.