[Pastor Ray from Salem VA]

Re: What Will YOU Be Buying Baby Jesus For HIS Birthday?

I know you're a mocker of the Lord Jesus Christ, but I would like to share with you what the outreach ministry at my Church, Bethel Baptist, will be doing this year at Christmastime for those in our community who have little in the way of material goods but love their country. They're the salt of the earth. We have made a special arrangement with Cafe Press to distribute these Tshirts at the soup kitchens and under highway overpasses and at the other places where the forgotten ones in our city can be found. Lord bless them, for "we know that all things work together for good (Rom. 8:28)."

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: What Will YOU Be Buying Baby Jesus For HIS Birthday?

Ah, but you can't exactly arm every soldier with a heavy MG. And if you could, you'd do it with a Russian 14.5mm like the KPV, not a .50.

http://www.hkpro.com/video/g11-1-128.mpg

Have a look at that to see a truly brilliant rifle design.

I am sorry I missed this discussion yesterday, but I was about GOD's business and have only just returned. Being a firearms expert myself, I must say that Brother Marshall is correct in every regard. I watched that silly video and I can tell you the weapon shown will not bring down a squirrel at five feet, nor can it be used by left-handed troops (which are the best and most intelligent). Besides, it is a complete waste of time to have a 45 round capacity and waste it in three-round bursts. Marines need only one round per target.

My personal choice is my Superlative National Match M1A in 7.62 NATO which shoots less than one MOA at medium ranges (Further than my 1/2 MOA Ruger Varminter; less than my Barrett .460).

It is quite possible that the US government is going to adopt another sidearm. It is unfortunate that they must be politically correct and choose another 9mm instead of the 10mm, but we can at least hope that the GODLY .45, with which both my Dear Departed father and I used to good effect against enemy combatants is reinstated in the arsenal.

As much as I hate to say it, I really love my Glocks......even as much as my Colt .45 Commander. I have standardized on .40 because I can get it inexpensively and it is just about as good as a .45. It is sad that the Glock design was pre-stolen from the US by those Damned Austrians, just as the MG42 design was pre-stolen from the M-60 design by the Hitlerites. Germans are as bad as japs when it comes to pre-stealing American technology.

The KPV is somewhat.....ok, twice....as powerful as the .50 BMG, but American soldiers have no need for inaccurate Russki junk.

[Marshall]

Re: What Will YOU Be Buying Baby Jesus For HIS Birthday?

Dear Jesus I left out the Garand.
The single finest battle rifle ever made and 100% American. It even gives a *PING! to let the enemy know to start running because 8 more 30-06 AP rounds are going to be heading downrange with a quickness. Lord bless John Garand for being mercyful enough to warn the enemy to surrender before they were killed by cigar chomping Marines.
And God bless General Douglas Macarthur for making it all happen and winning WWII before it even started by approving this weapon into service.

[EPluribusUnum (On Moderation)]

Re: What Will YOU Be Buying Baby Jesus For HIS Birthday?

I am sorry I missed this discussion yesterday, but I was about GOD's business and have only just returned. Being a firearms expert myself, I must say that Brother Marshall is correct in every regard. I watched that silly video and I can tell you the weapon shown will not bring down a squirrel at five feet, nor can it be used by left-handed troops (which are the best and most intelligent). Besides, it is a complete waste of time to have a 45 round capacity and waste it in three-round bursts. Marines need only one round per target.

My personal choice is my Superlative National Match M1A in 7.62 NATO which shoots less than one MOA at medium ranges (Further than my 1/2 MOA Ruger Varminter; less than my Barrett .460).

It is quite possible that the US government is going to adopt another sidearm. It is unfortunate that they must be politically correct and choose another 9mm instead of the 10mm, but we can at least hope that the GODLY .45, with which both my Dear Departed father and I used to good effect against enemy combatants is reinstated in the arsenal.

As much as I hate to say it, I really love my Glocks......even as much as my Colt .45 Commander. I have standardized on .40 because I can get it inexpensively and it is just about as good as a .45. It is sad that the Glock design was pre-stolen from the US by those Damned Austrians, just as the MG42 design was pre-stolen from the M-60 design by the Hitlerites. Germans are as bad as japs when it comes to pre-stealing American technology.

The KPV is somewhat.....ok, twice....as powerful as the .50 BMG, but American soldiers have no need for inaccurate Russki junk.

I agree on many aspects, but I'm merely expressing dissapointment in that we in the USA have not had a designer like John Browning for many years now. Most of our military firearms are designed outside the USA, especially by FN. The M16/AR15's direct gas impingement was not fixed for many, many years, and when it was the first company to do so was HK.

The rifle in the link can indeed be used by left-handed soldiers. It uses caseless ammunition and does not suffer from the ejection problems normally encountered when "bullpup" configuration rifles are used by left-handers.

I'm not biased against the USA. I love this country, that's why I would like our own military firearms to measure up. I'm also a great fan of any well-made, precision machine, which is why I'm often so impressed with the modern innovations around the world.

Oh, and what is this "pre-stolen" thing you speak of? The M60 combined the best features of the FG42 and MG42 designs. If anything, it was a copy of them, not the other way round. And Glock designs "stolen"? In what way? Certainly, the polymer frame was not new. HK had one in their 1970 VP-70 pistol. The locking system is a plain Browning-Petter or SIG locking [it is to Browning's eternal credit that almost all autoloaders use some form of Browning lockup], and of course the calibres [besides the rather pointless GAP] aren't anything new either. But it was hardly "stolen", and almost any gun design takes features from others to create a new, better weapon.

As for some of the smaller mentioned points, the Marines have already brought back the classic 1911A1 design, with several modern improvements, as their MEU MARSOC. Yes, in .45. As for the KPV, true, not the most accurate thing ever, but then a heavy machine gun is not particularly accurate in any case, as it's not supposed to be. The M2 itself is considered to be about a 6 MOA weapon at best by John Plaster, who served in Vietnam as an SOG member and now trains police snipers. In addition, it's been found that attaching quality US-made barrels to the actions of old Russian PTRD rifles, good accuracy can be maintained. Such systems were occasionally custom-built by the Afgans during the 1980s and put to use against the Soviets themselves.

I'm always up for a good firearms discussion. As I said, I don't have any particular bias against US firearms or toward foreign ones, but I know and like a well-designed machine when I see one. Some of these new ones, such as the AN-94, I like to keep an eye on. Oh, and in terms of sporting weapons, the wide variety and manufacture of these in the USA result in some quite good ones, especially some of the custom/updated 1911 models, such as those made by Strayer-Voight of Texas.