Please, Tell me about HELL

[Google is not God]

I am atheist, I believe I am as good as a person can be.
But! I want to know what the consequences are of not seeking jesus if I am wrong not to believe?

thx

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

I am atheist, I believe I am as good as a person can be.
But! I want to know what the consequences are of not seeking jesus if I am wrong not to believe?

thx

You are not an atheist if you worship Google.

The consequences of rejecting Christ are well-known, Mr. God mocker.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

2 Chronicles 15:13
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

[DJHybrid0]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

What is it like? Just pitch blackness and eternal buring in which you never get any kind of relief. But that is just me.

[Google is not God]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

And how can i seek god if I do not believe...
I was raised to believe science.
So allot of the bible doesnt make sense to me.
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I do not worship anything, that is just a name.
I didnt want to use my real name.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

What is it like? Just pitch blackness and eternal buring in which you never get any kind of relief. But that is just me.

If you want to know what hell is like, check out THIS.

Or just wait a bit. Jesus is sure to kill you sooner rather than later. Then you'll get a taste of sulfur.

[Google is not God]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

That website had graphic details.
But to me, it sounds better then not existing atall, witch is what I curently believe.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

Well, I dunno...it's not uncommon for victims of really brutal torture to wish to die and be released. When Jesus comes back he will torment the people of Earth unmercifully:

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. Revelation 9:6

But let's think this through a bit.

We are God's children. God is as a loving father to us.

Just as any loving father would righteously welcome an ax-murderer into his house, hand over his disobedient children to the fiend, and nod happily as the murderer whacked off first their fingers and then their hands and arms...just so does God consign His disobedient children to Hell.

I mean, what else can He do?

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isaiah 14:5

God is, after all, omnipotent. He can do anything.

EXCEPT! He cannot figure out a way to lead beings with freewill to accept His moral teachings without the threat of torture hanging over their heads.

Now, a few crackpot scholars have noted that it's not all that hard to figure out a merciful way to lead humans toward moral behavior -- toward "the good".

But we Christians know that this is crackpottery of the most cracked kind. God is perfect, therefore Hell is part of His perfect plan for humanity.

I could bore you with an explanation of God's need to create evil --

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

-- but I won't unless you really really want me to.

Suffice to say that God created Hell to torture human beings, and God knows why.

~~ OEJ

[Google is not God]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

Truly crackpottery, but im guessing god has no empathy.

But yah' god doesnt make sense, why did he create evil again ?
You might aswell tell me, because I wont understand the full story otherwise.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

The problem of God and evil is a knotty one; the subject even has its own name: theodicy.

A long time ago -- at the time the earliest books of the Bible were written, perhaps -- the proto-Christians believed that their God was one among many gods. Other gods like Ba'al were competitors, so to speak, and the God of the proto-Christians was not unique and almighty in the sense that we know He is today.

The evidence for this is in the early books of the Bible, where these other gods are spoken of as having real existence: they are not figments of foreign imagination, not fakes or demonic beings pretending to be gods. They are spoken of as gods in their own right.

That changed around the time of the prophet Isaiah.

The proto-Christians came to believe that their God really was the ultimate Being, the supreme Creator of everything, omniscient and eternal. That raised a problem: if evil beings, demons, Satan, adversaries of God existed, then God had to have created them. And if He has timeless omniscience, then He knew right from the beginning which of His creations would work evil and how they would do it. He knew how rotten and naughty and downright poopy they would turn out to be.

Now, some say that mankind brought evil into God's perfect creation -- into the Garden of Eden -- through disobedience. So evil is all mankind's fault. But where did the disobedient nature of man come from? If man is as God made him, then God must have created the will to disobedience. And He must have done it knowing exactly what tremendous evil would echo down the centuries as a result of the human nature God chose to create: think about Stalin, Pol Pot, the death squads of Guatemala, the Rwandan genocide, the tortured child armies of the Congo. That kind of evil.

If God created the Garden of Eden and mankind, then He also created mankind's fall from grace -- the worm in the apple, so to speak.

Isaiah was no dummy. He knew darned well that there was no way out: God had to create evil. And he knew it was pointless to try to gloss over the fact, because people are just not THAT stupid. (Well, back then they weren't, anyway.) So he put it right up front in his prophetic vision:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

Most versions of the Bible other than the King James blow this statement off. They say God creates "harmony and disharmony" or "good happenings and unfortuituous events". But Isaiah knew the score.

Here's in a nutshell is the classic Problem of Evil. Let us start by supposing that the following may be true:

1. God is omniscient and omnipotent.
2. God is good.
3. Evil exists.

We know from plain evidence that evil exists. There are then three possibilities:

1. God could eliminate evil but chooses not to. (In this case, God is not good.)
2. God wishes to eliminate evil but cannot. (In this case, God is not all-powerful.)
3. God does not exist.

Essentially, because evil exists God cannot be as He is seen in the advertisements.

How can Christians resolve this problem?
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This is a long post, isn't it? Are you bored yet? Time, I think, for a bit of fun.

A Jew, a Muslim, a Christian, and a Wiccan walked into a butcher shop.
The Jew said, "I want you to kill me a lamb, meshuginah. But it must be done kosher, nu?"
The Muslim said, "I want you to kill me a goat. But in the name of Allah, it must be done halal."
The Christian said, "I want you to kill me that Wiccan, and you can do it however you like!"
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Christian theology has a plain answer to the question of why God permits evil. Here is the great theologian Rousas Rushdoony's answer:

"The seventh principle [of the Shema Israel] thus forbids the unbelieving testing of God: God's law is the testing of man; therefore, man cannot presume to be god and put God and his law-word on trial. Such a step is a supreme arrogance and blasphemy; it is the opposite of obedience, because it is the essence of disobedience to the law. Hence, it is contrasted to a diligent keeping of the law. This obedience is the condition of blessing: it is the ground of conquest and of possession, in terms of which the covenant people of God, His law-people, enter into their inheritance."

The Christian answer to the question of God's goodness is, according to Rushdoony, DON'T ASK THE QUESTION. It is what he calls the Supreme Blasphemy.

It is forbidden.

Naive Christianity holds that God is simply allowing evil in the world in order to work a higher, hypothetical good which we humans are too stupid to understand. In essence, they arrive at Rushdoony's answer ("don't ask the question") by another route: since we are stupid we should not question He Who is smarter than we are. Instead, we Christians must trust God unconditionally. We must not question God, and we must love God above all else.

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Deuteronomy 6:4-5

Or else we go to Hell.

And that brings us neatly back to the topic of this thread.

[Google is not God]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

blind following...
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well sounds like god is not good, but is to you, as you are morally aligned your self (hell being evil, heaven being good).

If we are said to have free will (something god cannot control, or doesnt want to, us being part of his experiment).

but if he is all knowing all powerful ect, why should he need to test us either. he should know the results of EVRYthing already.

[see_the_light]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

Hell is a wonderous place filled with candy, movies, puppies, women, alchohol, sex, and many more wonders if you worship me!......PLEASE!?

Troll BEGONE

PRAY TO JESUS!

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Please, Tell me about HELL

blind following...

FAITH! We Christians have the faith that knows no bounds and no reason. It is like blind faith (but NOT like that British rock band from the '60s. We don't have Eric Clapton playing lead guitar, for instance.)

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well sounds like god is not good, but is to you, as you are morally aligned your self (hell being evil, heaven being good).

God is a Christian God, and we are the Chosen People, the modern-day Israelites. Hallelujah!

If we are said to have free will (something god cannot control, or doesnt want to, us being part of his experiment).

but if he is all knowing all powerful ect, why should he need to test us either. he should know the results of EVRYthing already.

So in my previous post I moaned on and on about logic and rational analysis of the Bible and theodicy. Now the Lord moves my bowels to preach the Word!

So I want you to get down on your knees -- yes, right here on the Internet! (Whoops, don't squish AOL, they're having a hard enough time competing with Google.) Now pray with me! Pray!

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O Lord, I beseech thee: heal my atheistical brain! Heal it of reason, make it irrational, and give it the capacity to take Thy goodness on pure faith.

O Lord, give me the ability to refute logic with senseless platitudes, to ignore the real world and instead give my mind over to belief in Thy great and holy plan for man!

O Lord, make plain to me the schema of Heaven and Hell, open mine eyes to the True Reality which needs no confirmation by experimental evidence. Some call it pie in the sky, O Lord, but make it for me a real pie in the sky!

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Faith. That's the ticket.

"The truth belonging to the realm of grace is received and accepted by faith, and hence must be revealed by God. By contrast, the truth belonging to nature can be understood by reason alone, and need not be revealed by God. Mysteries such as the Trinity, Incarnation and Christ's Atonement through the Cross, belong to revealed theology."

That's the ticket out of Hell!

For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. Romans 4:13

~~ OEJ