[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Ezekiel 18:20- "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

Deuteronomy 24:16- "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."

It took me quite some time to find them. Children are born without sin, and are incapable of sin until they age. Unless you are trying to say that a 3 or 4 year old can commit an act against God.

Are you anti ten commandments, friend?

2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

God hates bastards unto the tenth generation.

Deuteronomy 23:2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

If you don't do what God says, He's going to mess you up badly.

Deuteronomy 28

15But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
16Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
17Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
18Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
19Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
20The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
21The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
22The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
23And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
24The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
25The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
26And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
27The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
28The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
29And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
30Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
31Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
32Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
33The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
34So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
35The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
36The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
37And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
38Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
39Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
40Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
41Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
42All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
43The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
44He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
45Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

[Bobby-Joe]

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Ezekiel 18:20- "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

Deuteronomy 24:16- "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."

It took me quite some time to find them. Children are born without sin, and are incapable of sin until they age. Unless you are trying to say that a 3 or 4 year old can commit an act against God.

Friend,

While you make a clear case the children won't be punished for their own sins - were does it say it won't be punished for their own? Doesn't not scripture say we ALL are born into sin?

And were do you get this age 3 or 4 thing? I have heard other Christians cite it yet never seen the scripture for it. This sounds like people adding to God's words again.

[Jedediah]

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Ezekiel 18:20- "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

Deuteronomy 24:16- "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."

It took me quite some time to find them. Children are born without sin, and are incapable of sin until they age. Unless you are trying to say that a 3 or 4 year old can commit an act against God.

This is what happens when false christians try to interpret God's Word to suit their own vain, preconceived notions about what is right and wrong rather than following the entire Bible (KJV 1611) exactly as it is written. If God wanted us to decide morality for ourselves, He would not have left detailed instructions.

Nothing in those verses of Scripture that you misused and misinterpreted say that "children are born without sin, and are incapable of sin until they age." Let's examine what Scripture actually says on the matter.

Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )

When anyone dies without accepting Jesus Christ as their personal LORD and Savior, they are doomed to spend eternity in the lake of fire with satan and his minions, whether they are young or old. God chooses who will stand among His elect and who is preordained to eternal torments from the time before they are even a glimmer in their parents' eyes.

John 6:64-65
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Romans 9:21
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

In fact, if God does not want you in Heaven, He will see to it Himself that you become deluded and blind to His Truth.

II Thessalonians 2:11-12
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

That seems pretty clear to me. But I'm sure that you reject these Bible Facts just like you reject anything else in God's Word that doesn't conform with your vain, twisted sense of "morality."

[SpiritualAmerican]

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As a note towards the infraction I just received, I was not twisting scripture as these are indeed in the Bible and indeed written as thus. Any internal conflict you find in my post is already there, if any, and that while my language may be slightly different (it depends on your version and printing) I am quite accurate.

As an avid forum user this is against my regular nature of being against double posting, forgive this but I felt it must be addressed immediately.

[SpiritualAmerican]

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Ezekiel 18:20- "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

Deuteronomy 24:16- "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin." - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."

It took me quite some time to find them. Children are born without sin, and are incapable of sin until they age. Unless you are trying to say that a 3 or 4 year old can commit an act against God.

[Born Again Bob]

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Dear Friend,

So the children who are still pure and untouched by the world's evils are still condemned?

I bet you're in favor of gays adopting kids, aren't you? Well, how will gays in hell adopt kids unless unbaptized kids go to hell?

Get your story straight!

Yours in Him,
BAB

[SpiritualAmerican]

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So the children who are still pure and untouched by the world's evils are still condemned? What madness takes hold of men to say such things?

[Didymus Much]

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...What of the children whose lives were lost in this event?...

Baptists don't baptize children or infants, so...

[True Disciple]

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If your enemies are those who do not believe the same as you, then of those who died their number is few. What of the children whose lives were lost in this event? Of the Christians whom were claimed by the earth and the sea? What of them?

1. The children:

God punishes the children for the sins of their parents:

Jeremiah 32:18:
Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name.

Which is why He wants them to be slaughtered alongside their parents in cases of extreme iniquity:

Numbers 21:34-35:
And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land; and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon.
So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land.

Deuteronomy 2:33-34:
And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain

1 Samuel 15:2-3:
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

In other words, God is not going to spare the children.

2. The Christians:

God will not destroy the righteous along with the unrighteous. In the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, he took Lot and his family, the only righteous people in the cities, out of it before their destruction, by sending two angels to them:

Genesis 19:15-16:
And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

So, if there were righteous True Christians™ in Japan, God likely would have taken His Measures to save them.

[Cranky Old Man]

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If your enemies are those who do not believe the same as you, then of those who died their number is few. What of the children whose lives were lost in this event? Of the Christians whom were claimed by the earth and the sea? What of them?

Death is irrelevant. If you're good you go to Heaven if your bad you go to Hell. Our stay here on Earth is short and should only be used to praise God!

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

[SpiritualAmerican]

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If your enemies are those who do not believe the same as you, then of those who died their number is few. What of the children whose lives were lost in this event? Of the Christians whom were claimed by the earth and the sea? What of them?

[Born Again Bob]

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Dear Friend,

It is quite difficult for me to accept that these dark feelings are what God wishes of you

I understand, I really do. Tell you what -- we'll show the people of Japan the full measure of kindness and mercy that God commanded the Israelites to show the people of Ai in the stirring humanitarian story of Joshua 8.

24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword.

25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai.

26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai.

27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua.

28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day.

Fair enough?

Yours in Him,
BAB

[True Disciple]

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What I see are prayers for pain and suffering, expressions of joy and mirth at their sufferings. It is quite difficult for me to accept that these dark feelings are what God wishes of you

You clearly are unfamiliar with God's Word, the Holy Bible. It is perfectly allowed to pray for our enemies' destruction:

Psalm 35:3-9:
Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation. Let them be confounded and put to shame that seek after my soul: let them be turned back and brought to confusion that devise my hurt.
Let them be as chaff before the wind: and let the angel of the LORD chase them.
Let their way be dark and slippery: and let the angel of the LORD persecute them.
For without cause have they hid for me their net in a pit, which without cause they have digged for my soul.
Let destruction come upon him at unawares; and let his net that he hath hid catch himself: into that very destruction let him fall.
And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice in his salvation.

Psalm 59:10-15:
The God of my mercy shall prevent me: God shall let me see my desire upon mine enemies.
Slay them not, lest my people forget: scatter them by thy power; and bring them down, O Lord our shield.
For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips let them even be taken in their pride: and for cursing and lying which they speak.
Consume them in wrath, consume them, that they may not be: and let them know that God ruleth in Jacob unto the ends of the earth. Selah.
And at evening let them return; and let them make a noise like a dog, and go round about the city.
Let them wander up and down for meat, and grudge if they be not satisfied.

Psalm 69:23-28:
Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.
Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.
Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.
For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.
Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.
Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

Psalm 139:19-22:
Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

[SUV]

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Judgmental

We don't need to hear about 'King of the Hill' here

[SpiritualAmerican]

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Judgmental? Nay, I am only responding to what I observe. And whilst I cannot say I am without hate, I did not come here to spout angry lines and spread the fires of hate. I only come to question why I see anger, why I see hatred. This brings pains in my heart, that there is more anger than love. I would have expected prayers for safety, plans to help rebuild and save lives or the expression of wanting to. What I see are prayers for pain and suffering, expressions of joy and mirth at their sufferings. It is quite difficult for me to accept that these dark feelings are what God wishes of you