[Jack O'fagan]

Re: A message from JESUS!

Serenity-Millennium, you say

He says He came to FULFILL the Scripture. When something is fulfilled, it's finished, done. Jesus took away the necessity of the law by His eternal sacrifice.

Unfortunately my knowledge of scripture is lacking compared to some of my colleagues here but from your statement above you seem to be saying that The Ten Commandments are no longer valid.

Is that what you believe?

It's just not a message that I have heard preached from any pulpits.

YiC

Jack

[wait_what]

Re: A message from JESUS!

Sorry for the double post, but I would like to nominate Mr. Serenity for Cherry Picker of the year award. I wonder, why is it he is so good at picking cherries?

To be able to discard the entire OT whenever it is an inconvenience to read what is says. Man, that is some luxury.

[wait_what]

Re: A message from JESUS!

A message to Serenity-Millennium,


You have been scripturally disproven by multiple witnesses.

First I say

1 Corinthians 13:1

1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three awitnesses shall every word be established

And no Paul is not a heretic. He was sent by Christ to teach HIS word. Don't deny it.

Now before you go off spouting that the word of God is not the word of God because your Fisher Price Bible doesn't like the way it was put the first time, consider the following.

Matthew 4:4

4But he answered and said, It is written, aMan shall not blive by cbread alone, but by every dword that proceedeth out of the emouth of God

Proverbs 18:7

7A fool’s amouth is his bdestruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.

Are you going to tell me Solomon was not a prophet of God?


If you want to be taken seriously ever, I suggest

Proverbs 12:14-15

14A man shall be satisfied with good by the fruit of his amouth: and the recompence of a man’s hands shall be rendered unto him.

15The way of a afool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto bcounsel is wise

Proverbs 10:31

31The mouth of the just bringeth forth wisdom: but the afroward tongue shall be cut out

Proverbs 10:14 is talking to you

14Wise men lay up knowledge: but the amouth of the foolish is near destruction.



I am pretty sure this should serve as a good warning to you. Take it from one who made some mistakes when he first came to the good land of Landover

Psalms 63:11

11But the king shall rejoice in God; every one that sweareth by him shall glory: but the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped



You have been told. You have been proven by scripture, logic, and testimony to be wrong in your heathen beliefs. I suggest you quit while you're . . . never mind. You were never ahead. Just quit.

[True Disciple]

Re: A message from JESUS!

So, how come Jesus ignored the rules about ritual cleanliness? About keeping kosher? About circumcision? The rules about stoning adulterers? Working on the Sabbath? The rules of divorce? Animal sacrifice?

The essence of Biblical literalism, my friend, is that Scripture should always be taken literally, unless Scripture itself tells us otherwise. Like, for example, Jesus' parables, where Jesus Himself says that the people and things in His Parables represent other people and things.
In case of the Sabbath, for example, we see that Jesus gave a definition of "keeping the Sabbath" that was very different from the understanding of the Pharisees. Did He annul the Sabbath commandment of the Old Testament? Definitely not. He just clarified it further.

Anyway, in cases where Old Testament Laws aren't redefined by the New Testament, we should just follow the Laws as they are in the Old Testament. That's what Jesus commands in Matthew 5:17-19.

What you are doing, on the other hand, is rejecting the entire Old Testament, only because Jesus redefined a precious few of those hundreds of Laws. What you say boils down to: Jesus allows people to pick a few ears of corn on the Sabbath, so therefore He condones homosexuality.
This is ridiculous, of course.

There were people like you in Jesus' days as well, who didn't like to follow God's Law in the Old Testament, and this is what Jesus told them:

John 5:46-47:
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Luke 16:31:
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

So if you disbelieve the writings of Moses, the Old Testament Law, you do not really believe in Jesus. To go to Heaven, you should keep the commandments:

Matthew 19:16-17:
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

How can you still deny this?

He says He came to FULFILL the Scripture. When something is fulfilled, it's finished, done. Jesus took away the necessity of the law by His eternal sacrifice.

You interpret the word "fulfilling" in a very liberal way, friend. In your way of reasoning, "fulfilling" apparently is the same as "destroying, nullifying, making void." Of course, that's not what fulfilling means; fulfilling means "perfecting, finishing, getting something done."
Why did you think Jesus contrasted destroying and fulfilling with one another? Obviously, because fulfilling is not destroying.

And this is clear when Jesus says that one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law. If the "necessity of the Law" was taken away, then surely some jots and tittles would pass away, wouldn't they?
So, all Old Testament Laws still apply, and this includes Verses you may not like, like the one commanding us to stone children who curse their parents. Jesus criticized the Pharisees because they didn't kill those children:

Matthew 15:4-8:
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

That makes it very clear that Jesus want people to follow the Law, even if it meant killing people for certain transgressions. He didn't approve of the Pharisees doing what you did, namely, interpreting the rougher Verses away.

Jesus was using a figure of speech. He meant that you love God so much more, that it's almost as if you hate those people. Let's look at the parallel verse in Matthew 10:37, where Jesus phrases it as, if you love such and such more than God, etc.

Matthew 10: 34-37"Don't think I've come to make life cozy. I've come to cut—make a sharp knife-cut between son and father, daughter and mother, bride and mother-in-law—cut through these cozy domestic arrangements and free you for God. Well-meaning family members can be your worst enemies. If you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me. If you prefer son or daughter over me, you don't deserve me.

Friend, you are again interpreting the Bible's Words away. The Bible says "hate" (in Greek miseo, if you like, which means "to hate"). There is no reason whatsoever to assume that Jesus used a "figure of speech" here, as no part in the context implies that. Hate is hate. Hate is not "almost hate."

All talk like "Jesus meant just that is almost seemed like hating your family" is nonsense, as in that case, the Bible would have said something like: "you must Love Me so much that it almost seems that you hate your family."
The Bible doesn't say that. The Bible says: "hate your family." QED.

The only reason you say that Jesus uses a figure of speech here is because otherwise, it would invalidate your fluffy-bunny lollipops-and-rainbows version of Christianity. Friend, this is what we call moral cowardice.

In fact we know from other parts of scripture you are supposed to love your parents (Exodus 20:12, Deuteronomy 5:16, Ephesians 6:2, Proverbs 1:8, Proverbs 23:22, Malachi 4:6); wives (Ephesians 5:28, Ephesians 5:33, Colossians 3:19), children (Colossians 3:21), siblings (Leviticus 19:17, 1 John 3:15, 1 John 4:20-21), and yourself (Leviticus 19:17).

The only explanation would be that the Bible is contradicting itself.

Of course not. Obviously, we are supposed to hate our family, but at the same time love them. Remember, with the Lord, anything is possible, including hating and loving people at the same time (Luke 18:17).

No, Jesus came to bring peace. That was His mission. He was just aware that human nature would bring divisiveness to His message of peace.

Nonsense. Jesus literally said "I will bring a sword, and have not come to send peace."
If it was right what you say, He would have said something along the lines of "I came to send peace, but human nature will cause divisions." He didn't say that. He said: "I came not to bring peace, but a sword." Period.

John 14:27 That's my parting gift to you. Peace. I don't leave you the way you're used to being left—feeling abandoned, bereft. So don't be upset. Don't be distraught.

Jesus was speaking to His Disciples here, not to the world in its entirety. Again, you're quoting out of context.

John 8:7 They kept at him, badgering him. He straightened up and said, "The sinless one among you, go first: Throw the stone."

This was before Jesus died on the cross, and took away the sins of those who believed in Him. Therefore, all the people were still in sin. However, as True Christians™ we are without sin (1 John 3:9), so we are, in this case, allowed to throw stones.

Jesus IS God. It's not praying when He does it. It's talking to Himself.

First you asked for an example of Jesus praying in the open, and now suddenly it doesn't count anymore?

Enlighten me, then. What's the right interpretation?

The Bible says:

1 Timothy 2:8:
I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

So clearly, there is something more going on here.

To illustrate this, maybe I need to remind you of Jesus' Parable of the Pharisee and the publican:

Luke 8:10-14:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Like in Matthew 6:6, Jesus railed against hypocrites praying in public here. However, here we see that it is allowed to pray in public, as the publican "smote upon his breast" and spoke aloud,and then went down to his house justified, which proves that it was an acceptable kind of prayer.
And they did it in the Temple, not alone behind locked doors.

What does this mean? Reading Matthew 6:6 in light of the above Passage, it becomes clear what the intention of Matthew 6:6 is. It is a condemnation of hypocritical prayers, said to impress others. It doesn't mean that we should lock ourselves away, as Luke 8:10-14 doesn't allow for such a reading of Matthew 6:6.

You think God wants your material possessions?

Definitely:

Haggai 2:8:
The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the LORD of hosts.

Matthew 12:7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

I'm not talking about sacrifice. After all, sacrifice is giving something you own to God, like your daughter. Jesus already possesses everything I have, so I can't make a sacrifice to God.

Quoting out of context. Judas is upset that Mary Magdalene spent money buying ointment to prepare Jesus for burial. That's a one time thing. Note how Jesus says that He won't always be with Him. How can you say that applies to modern day? Do you think Jesus is going to disappear soon?

I apologize. I should have made it clearer by including the preceding Verse:

Matthew 26:10-11:
When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

As you can see, the reason that the disciples were wrong for muttering against the woman is because "she has wrought a good work upon Jesus." Jesus gives an extra argument with pointing out that He will not always be with them, but that is not the reason He rebukes His Disciples; the reason is because she had wrought this good work.

So as you can see, I didn't quote out of context here.

Everywhere else in Scripture, Jesus demands giving to the poor.

I won't deny that it is important. I just say that giving things to Jesus (by tithing, for example) is still better.

Mark 12:17Jesus said, "Give Caesar what is his, and give God what is his." Their mouths hung open, speechless.

The above Verse says that we should pay taxes, in line with other Verses which command us to obey secular laws. It has nothing to do with God not wanting our money. It simply doesn't say that anywhere, friend.

No, only that some people have more rewards in heaven then others. This is Scriptural.

That is Scriptural, indeed. Your denial of Hell, on the other hand, definitely isn't.

Again, you prefer the words of men over Jesus.

Friend, I quoted from the Word of God. We have proven that we should follow the Old Testament, and your counter-arguments utterly failed so far. You have called God man, and He will certainly burn off your skin in Hell for that.

Luke 6:20 Looking at his disciples, he said: “Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.

Luke 6:24 “But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.

Again, the above Verses should be read in the context of the rest of the Bible. The Bible teaches that righteous people are blessed with material wealth by God. That's something different than that all rich people therefore are righteous.

Clearly, Jesus refers here to the coming persecution of righteous True Christians™, when their well-deserved riches will be taken away from them by evil people, for example the socialists of the Obamba administration. We'll just have to endure.

Okay, fine. Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Agree or disagree?

Agree.

All the verses dealing with homosexuality are.

Prove it.

I didn't actually find any satisfactory answers.

Friend, it is impossible to satisfy you, because you are one of the most stubborn persons here on this forum. After all, that you have the audacity to say this:

No you didn't, sorry.

Only shows that you can't really be taken seriously. Aionion, remember? I recall that, according to your logic, God Himself wasn't eternal, and neither was His Dominion, simply because you arbitrarily redefined a Greek word to change the meaning of several Passages. Not because you had any Scriptural or linguistic reason to do that, but solely because you couldn't stomach the idea of eternal punishment in Hell.

One more question, friend. You deny the entire Old Testament. You deny the validity of Paul's letters as well. Your Bible is becoming very thin this way. Why do you think God included all those things you reject in the Bible?

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: A message from JESUS!

Friend, even after you bastardized this Verse, it doesn't say the Law doesn't apply anymore. The Verse only says that, since then, the kingdom of God is preached, not that it is preached instead. If you doubt that, just read the very next Verse:

Luke 16:17:
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

So, how come Jesus ignored the rules about ritual cleanliness? About keeping kosher? About circumcision? The rules about stoning adulterers? Working on the Sabbath? The rules of divorce? Animal sacrifice?

In addition, I see that you conveniently ignore Brother Jack's simple, but excellent rebuke:

He says He came to FULFILL the Scripture. When something is fulfilled, it's finished, done. Jesus took away the necessity of the law by His eternal sacrifice.

Yet Jesus also wants us to hate our family members:

Luke 14:26:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

I've answered this before in another discussion.

Jesus was using a figure of speech. He meant that you love God so much more, that it's almost as if you hate those people. Let's look at the parallel verse in Matthew 10:37, where Jesus phrases it as, if you love such and such more than God, etc.

Matthew 10: 34-37"Don't think I've come to make life cozy. I've come to cut—make a sharp knife-cut between son and father, daughter and mother, bride and mother-in-law—cut through these cozy domestic arrangements and free you for God. Well-meaning family members can be your worst enemies. If you prefer father or mother over me, you don't deserve me. If you prefer son or daughter over me, you don't deserve me.



37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

In fact we know from other parts of scripture you are supposed to love your parents (Exodus 20:12, Deuteronomy 5:16, Ephesians 6:2, Proverbs 1:8, Proverbs 23:22, Malachi 4:6); wives (Ephesians 5:28, Ephesians 5:33, Colossians 3:19), children (Colossians 3:21), siblings (Leviticus 19:17, 1 John 3:15, 1 John 4:20-21), and yourself (Leviticus 19:17).

The only explanation would be that the Bible is contradicting itself.

Additionally, Jesus did not come to send peace, but to stir up conflict between people, even close family members:

No, Jesus came to bring peace. That was His mission. He was just aware that human nature would bring divisiveness to His message of peace.

John 14:27 That's my parting gift to you. Peace. I don't leave you the way you're used to being left—feeling abandoned, bereft. So don't be upset. Don't be distraught.

The point is, homosexuals ought to be killed.

John 8:7 They kept at him, badgering him. He straightened up and said, "The sinless one among you, go first: Throw the stone."

Luke 10:21:
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Jesus IS God. It's not praying when He does it. It's talking to Himself.

Jesus did this while teaching to a group of people. Clearly, you are misinterpreting Matthew 6:6.

Enlighten me, then. What's the right interpretation?

Here at Landover, we've done that. We don't own anything, as we're Slaves of Christ, so God owns us, and by extension all things we otherwise would own, like our houses, cars, women and clothes. We are just caretakers of those things for God.

You think God wants your material possessions?

Matthew 12:7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

Jesus also says:

Matthew 26:11:
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

Quoting out of context. Judas is upset that Mary Magdalene spent money buying ointment to prepare Jesus for burial. That's a one time thing. Note how Jesus says that He won't always be with Him. How can you say that applies to modern day? Do you think Jesus is going to disappear soon?

Everywhere else in Scripture, Jesus demands giving to the poor.

So clearly, giving to Jesus (tithing) is more important than giving to the poor.

God doesn't want your money.

Mark 12:17Jesus said, "Give Caesar what is his, and give God what is his." Their mouths hung open, speechless.

May I conclude, then, that you finally accept the reality of Hell?

No, only that some people have more rewards in heaven then others. This is Scriptural.

(Mt 6:19-20) says, "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon the earth, where moth and dust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: (20) but lay up for yourselvestreasures in heaven, where neither moth or rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal." (Also see: Mt 19:21, Mk 10:21, Lk 18:22, Lk 12:33

The reason we're rich is because rewarded us for our righteousness, fear and diligence:

Again, you prefer the words of men over Jesus.

Luke 6:20 Looking at his disciples, he said: “Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.

Luke 6:24 “But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.

Friend, there are several million American Jews around now, so it is perfectly possible for someone to be both American and Jew. Are you dim?

Okay, fine. Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Agree or disagree?

So everything you don't like (98% of the Holy Bible) is "mistranslated" and "inserted by human writers?" That is ridiculous.

All the verses dealing with homosexuality are.

That claim has already been refuted here.

I didn't actually find any satisfactory answers.

Additionally, I need to remind you of this discussion, where I proved beyond reasonable and unreasonable doubt that eternal punishment in Hell is a Biblical Reality.

No you didn't, sorry.

[True Disciple]

Re: A message from JESUS!

Oh my, Circus Millennium's back in town again.

Old Testament laws don't apply anymore:

Luke 16:16
God's Law and the Prophets climaxed in John;
Now it's all kingdom of God—the glad news
and compelling invitation to every man and woman.

Friend, even after you bastardized this Verse, it doesn't say the Law doesn't apply anymore. The Verse only says that, since then, the kingdom of God is preached, not that it is preached instead. If you doubt that, just read the very next Verse:

Luke 16:17:
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

In addition, I see that you conveniently ignore Brother Jack's simple, but excellent rebuke:

Old Testament law doesn't count? What do you think Jesus meant when He said this?


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

YiC

Jack

In short, Jesus really wants us to obey the Old Testament.

Jesus said to love and forgive:

John 13:34 "Let me give you a new command: Love one another. In the same way I loved you, you love one another.

Yet Jesus also wants us to hate our family members:

Luke 14:26:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Additionally, Jesus did not come to send peace, but to stir up conflict between people, even close family members:



Matthew 10:34-37:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Jesus has a serious problem with divorce:

Matthew 19:6 Because God created this organic union of the two sexes, no one should desecrate his art by cutting them apart."

--

Divorce is not allowable for any reason except maybe infidelity:

Matthew 5:32 If you divorce your wife, you're responsible for making her an adulteress (unless she has already made herself that by sexual promiscuity).

Did any of us deny this?

The point is, homosexuals ought to be killed. They are not allowed to be homosexuals, so they are not allowed to marry, which means that divorce is not an issue.

Pray in the privacy of your own closet:

Matthew 6:
6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

Jesus disagrees with you:

Luke 10:21:
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Jesus did this while teaching to a group of people. Clearly, you are misinterpreting Matthew 6:6.

Sell everything you own:

Luke 18: 22When Jesus heard that, he said, "Then there's only one thing left to do: Sell everything you own and give it away to the poor. You will have riches in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Here at Landover, we've done that. We don't own anything, as we're Slaves of Christ, so God owns us, and by extension all things we otherwise would own, like our houses, cars, women and clothes. We are just caretakers of those things for God.

Give to the poor:

Luke 12:33"Be generous. Give to the poor. Get yourselves a bank that can't go bankrupt, a bank in heaven far from bankrobbers, safe from embezzlers, a bank you can bank on.

Jesus also says:

Matthew 26:11:
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

So clearly, giving to Jesus (tithing) is more important than giving to the poor.

If you are comfortable now, don't expect to be in the next life:

Matthew 19:23 As he watched him go, Jesus told his disciples, "Do you have any idea how difficult it is for the rich to enter God's kingdom?

May I conclude, then, that you finally accept the reality of Hell?

Jesus is not a capitalist:

Matthew 6:
24"You can't worship two gods at once. Loving one god, you'll end up hating the other. Adoration of one feeds contempt for the other. You can't worship God and Money both.

Literally, this Verse is about Mammon, as a personification of money. As Mammon is a false god, we are not allowed to worship him. Additionally, we do not love money, as loving money (not money itself) it is the Root of all Evil. The reason we're rich is because rewarded us for our righteousness, fear and diligence:

Proverbs 10:4-5:
He becometh poor that dealeth with a slack hand: but the hand of the diligent maketh rich. He that gathereth in summer is a wise son: but he that sleepeth in harvest is a son that causeth shame.

Proverbs 15:6:
In the house of the righteous is much treasure: but in the revenues of the wicked is trouble.

Psalm 112:1-3:
Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments. His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed.
Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever.

Jesus is not American:

John 19:21 The Jewish high priests objected. "Don't write," they said to Pilate, "'The King of the Jews.' Make it, 'This man said, "I am the King of the Jews."'"

Friend, there are several million American Jews around now, so it is perfectly possible for someone to be both American and Jew. Are you dim?

Old Testament, and doesn't say pray in public. Why are you taking the words of a man over the words of Jesus?

I've shown you now that Jesus had no issues praying in public either.

Jesus didn't say any of these things, human writers did. (Not to mention they are all terribly mistranslated, but that's another issue).

So everything you don't like (98% of the Holy Bible) is "mistranslated" and "inserted by human writers?" That is ridiculous.

What about this?

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment.... Here, Paul is admitting some of what he writes is his own words and not divinely inspired.

That claim has already been refuted here.

No, there is no such thing as hell.

Now you're contradicting what you said earlier. What, then, is the "place without comfort" where the rich go after they die, according to you?

Additionally, I need to remind you of this discussion, where I proved beyond reasonable and unreasonable doubt that eternal punishment in Hell is a Biblical Reality.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: A message from JESUS!

Wow. Your ignorance knows no bounds. I am pretty sure when he says ceasing to pray is a sin, stopping at any time, public or private is a sin. And as far as James is concerned, he said we should pray ANY time we lack wisdom. I suggest you get started right away.

I think you are reading it a bit too literally. For the first quote, is Samuel saying he will literally pray for them 24 hours a day for the rest of his life? If so, he was lying, because he clearly does many many things in the Bible after this and he's not praying. So I must take it to mean that he will pray regularly, not continuously, and that in the privacy of his home.

Again, I have to apply the same logic to what James is saying. Whenever we need wisdom, we should pray. Doesn't say immediately when we need wisdom. Why would James contradict the words of Jesus?

You mock the words of Christ and his disciples? Really? You dare say that any word in the Bible is not the word of God?

What about this?

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment.... Here, Paul is admitting some of what he writes is his own words and not divinely inspired.

I am pretty sure that type of heresy is grounds for some sort of discipline. If nothing else you are in danger of hellfire.

No, there is no such thing as hell.

The KJV is the most accurately translated version of the Bible. Your watered down version completely changes the meaning of scripture.

Does it? Care to back up that assertion by demonstrating your knowledge of the Greek and Hebrew languages?

[wait_what]

Re: A message from JESUS!

Old Testament, and doesn't say pray in public. Why are you taking the words of a man over the words of Jesus?



Says nothing of praying in public.



Doesn't say pray in public. And if it did - would that mean the Bible contradicts itself? Or that Jesus was wrong?




This was right before they were going to enter Jerusalem and He knew it would get dangerous. It was for self-defense, not violent attacks. When one of the disciples actually tried to use the sword against a soldier, Jesus got angry:

Matthew 26:52 Jesus said, "Put your sword back where it belongs. All who use swords are destroyed by swords.



He chased them away with the whip. He didn't tie them up and beat them to a bloody pulp. His point was to get them to leave, not injure them.



Jesus didn't say any of these things, human writers did. (Not to mention they are all terribly mistranslated, but that's another issue).



The KJV is hardly the "Real" Bible. It is outdated and unscholarly, mistranslated out of ignorance of Ancient Greek at the time, and intentionally to better suit the orthodox doctrines of Anglican church. YOU are the one who is missing out.

Wow. Your ignorance knows no bounds. I am pretty sure when he says ceasing to pray is a sin, stopping at any time, public or private is a sin. And as far as James is concerned, he said we should pray ANY time we lack wisdom. I suggest you get started right away.

You mock the words of Christ and his disciples? Really? You dare say that any word in the Bible is not the word of God? I am pretty sure that type of heresy is grounds for some sort of discipline. If nothing else you are in danger of hellfire.

Amos 15:15
And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

Jesus chose 12 men to teach His word. You say when they write, it is a lie? You are in BIG trouble little mister.

The KJV is the most accurately translated version of the Bible. Your watered down version completely changes the meaning of scripture.

You really need to rethink your words young man. Unless you want to say openly that you disbelieve the Bible, and then you disbelieve God. I would not tempt him if I were you.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: A message from JESUS!

To prayer in schools, I say:

1 Samuel 12:23

23 Moreover as for me, God forbid that I should sin against the LORD in ceasing to pray for you: but I will teach you the good and the right way

Old Testament, and doesn't say pray in public. Why are you taking the words of a man over the words of Jesus?

James 1:5

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Says nothing of praying in public.

James 5:16

16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Doesn't say pray in public. And if it did - would that mean the Bible contradicts itself? Or that Jesus was wrong?

He didn't want us to fight terrorists? Really? What about

Luke 22:36

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one

This was right before they were going to enter Jerusalem and He knew it would get dangerous. It was for self-defense, not violent attacks. When one of the disciples actually tried to use the sword against a soldier, Jesus got angry:

Matthew 26:52 Jesus said, "Put your sword back where it belongs. All who use swords are destroyed by swords.

John 2:15

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables

He chased them away with the whip. He didn't tie them up and beat them to a bloody pulp. His point was to get them to leave, not injure them.

To the Homosexual thing. That is a lie. Jesus was pretty clear about it. I will stick with only NT since you want to cherrypick here and declare the OT to be false.

Jesus didn't say any of these things, human writers did. (Not to mention they are all terribly mistranslated, but that's another issue).

I think you need to trade in that training wheel bible for the real thing sonny. You are missing out on a lot.

The KJV is hardly the "Real" Bible. It is outdated and unscholarly, mistranslated out of ignorance of Ancient Greek at the time, and intentionally to better suit the orthodox doctrines of Anglican church. YOU are the one who is missing out.

[Lost Sheep McUinnean]

Re: A message from JESUS!

What is the point of using that original image there?!

It's just a bunch of phrases expressing some hippy's opinion twisting general interpretations (which is wrong and Biblically unsound as we all know).

It's NOT Scripture.
It WASN't written by GOD.
It's been written by some 'dude'.
It's not REAL. It's not DIVINELY inspired.

It's just made UP!

Why follow something humanly created on photoshop by a couple of guys instead of believing the real thing (KJV1611)?

Doesn't make sense. Come on, let's talk grown up thinking here please.

[Titus Templeton]

Re: A message from JESUS!

Old Testament law doesn't count? What do you think Jesus meant when He said this?


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

YiC

Jack

You proofed him wrong, Brother!

[wait_what]

Re: A message from JESUS!

To prayer in schools, I say:

1 Samuel 12:23

23 Moreover as for me, God forbid that I should sin against the LORD in ceasing to pray for you: but I will teach you the good and the right way

James 1:5

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Pretty sure if you are in school, you NEED help on the wisdom end of things.

James 5:16

16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.



He didn't want us to fight terrorists? Really? What about

Luke 22:36

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one

John 2:15

15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables

Son, a scourge is a whip. He made a whip withmultiple lashes and went to work on those theiving moneychangers. Don't think for a minute he will stand by the wicked doing wrong to the good.

To the Homosexual thing. That is a lie. Jesus was pretty clear about it. I will stick with only NT since you want to cherrypick here and declare the OT to be false.

Romans 1:27-32

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their alust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to aretain God in their knowledge, God bgave them over to a creprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, awickedness, covetousness, bmaliciousness; full of envy, murder, cdebate, ddeceit, malignity; whisperers,

30aBackbiters, haters of God, bdespiteful, cproud, dboasters, inventors of evil things, edisobedient to parents,

31Without aunderstanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of adeath, not only do the same, but bhave cpleasure in them that do them

1 Corinthians 6:9 I love the foresight into the flaming faries of today. NOR THE EFFEMINATE!

9Know ye not that the aunrighteous shall not binherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither cfornicators, nor idolaters, nor dadulterers, nor eeffeminate, nor fabusers of themselves with mankind

1 Timothy 1:8-12

8But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9Knowing this, that the alaw is not made for a brighteous man, but for the clawless and ddisobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10For awhoremongers, for bthem that cdefile themselves with mankind, for dmenstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound edoctrine;

11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my atrust.

12And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath aenabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

Jude 6-8

6And the aangels which kept not their bfirst cestate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the djudgment of the great day.

7Even as aSodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to bfornication, and going after cstrange flesh, are set forth for an dexample, suffering the evengeance of eternal fire.

8Likewise also these afilthy dreamers bdefile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.


I think you need to trade in that training wheel bible for the real thing sonny. You are missing out on a lot.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: A message from JESUS!

Old Testament law doesn't count? What do you think Jesus meant when He said this?


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

YiC

Jack

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A message from JESUS!

That's not Jesus, that's some hippie fag. Jesus has blond hair and blue eyes like I do.

And Jesus hates perverts, there's no mistaking that!

Rom.1:26-27
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

[Nobar King]

Re: A message from JESUS!

It would have been nice if your little picture included the relevant scripture so that I didn't have to bounce around to see whether your statements are Biblically sound or not.