Would even Jesus get into heaven?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

I was doing some thinkning about how you and others like you follow the bible to the letter. Then something struck me. For Jesus was born out of wedlock:


Luke 1:35 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Luke 2:4-5 4And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David ) 5To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

Clearly the above mentioned child not being Joseph. And Mary and Joseph were not married, thus she was carrying an illegitimate child, regardless of how it might have been conceived.
And yet the bible clearly states here:

Deuteronomy 23:2 2 A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

So there you have it. By the word of the bible, Jesus, an illegitimate child, should not even be allowed to enter heaven.
So, flat Earth believers, just how do you explain that one?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Being God, Jesus is allown to do as He please, you stupid harlot. The law doesn't apply to Him.
Leave the Bible to us men, you are too slow to understand it anyways.

On some occasions, Jesus even broke the law:

Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
John 5:8-9

But He is still sin-free, there is NO sin in Jesus:

And ye know that He was manifested to take away our sins; and in Him is no sin.
1 John 3:5

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Hmm, typical answer I would have expected.
Look, two biblical 'facts' right here.
1) Bastards don't get into 'heaven'
2) Jesus was an illegitimate child.

Therefore by his 'father's' own law, he is denied entry into heaven.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Hmm, typical answer I would have expected.
Look, two biblical 'facts' right here.
1) Bastards don't get into 'heaven'
2) Jesus was an illegitimate child.

Therefore by his 'father's' own law, he is denied entry into heaven.

The law doesn't apply to Jesus since it is HIS law, Jesus (son) and God (father) is the same so you think He would deny Himself entry into Heaven?
Besides, Jesus is already in Heaven, no matter if you like it or not, harlot.

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Acts 7:55-56

[eliot mayfield]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

hmmm, As having a family member fall victim to this law, I have to wonder. Could Hellschreecher actually have a point?
I mean there must be some flaw in her logic.

[Talitha]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Whilst It gladdens my heart to see that the Hellflinger is at last reading and taking an interest in The Bible(KJV1611) for her to "Have a point" would be akin to saying that Catholics aren't Ring-Kissing, Mary Worshipping Poopists.

Of course Jesus would get into Heaven.
The Bible(KJV1611) was written for Man to abide by NOT THE SON OF GOD©

[eliot mayfield]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Well, of course I know Jesus went to Paradise. I would never doubt that for a second. But when we've finally got her reading the Bible shouldn't we be more gentle in our rebuking?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Well, of course I know Jesus went to Paradise. I would never doubt that for a second. But when we've finally got her reading the Bible shouldn't we be more gentle in our rebuking?

I think not.
It is good for her to be rebuked, so we better rebuke her, otherwise, we would share her sin.

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:
Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Leviticus 19:17

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Also something else to think about. In the bible, here:


Deuteronomy 22: 13-21 13If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
14And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
15Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
16And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
17And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
18And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
19And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
20But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: 21Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

Here it talks about what happens when a woman is found not to be a virgin. The bible always talks about 'bride price'.

Now would Jospeh, being with Mary and not finding her to be a virgin, then be entitled to some kind of refund on his bride price, seeing as he didn't seem to 'hate her'??

[eliot mayfield]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Of course. I almost had a Ned moment there. Sorry.

Hellschreecher! I rebuke thee!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Hmm, typical answer I would have expected.
Look, two biblical 'facts' right here.
1) Bastards don't get into 'heaven'
2) Jesus was an illegitimate child.

Therefore by his 'father's' own law, he is denied entry into heaven.

You have earned yourself a whole truckload of infraction points for denying that Jesus is perfect, which is blasphemy, and for being an empty-headed unsaved female ball of trash. This thread is deeply offensive to Jesus and all True Christians, and it is so idiotic that it takes one's breath away.

In the same post (quoted above) you accuse Jesus of being a bastard (i.e., fatherless), and then make reference to His father. So you defeat your own stupid argument. In addition, I wonder what historical knowledge you might have on the marriage customs or birth registries of that time. In other words, I am certain that you wouldn't know a 1st century bastard if he punched you in the mouth.

Which is the first thing Jesus is going to do, once He gets his hands on you, filthmonger.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Now would Jospeh, being with Mary and not finding her to be a virgin, then be entitled to some kind of refund on his bride price, seeing as he didn't seem to 'hate her'??

You speak as if he didn't find her to be a virgin.
He obviously did, as otherwise he would have stoned Mary, and the Bible (KJV1611) doesn't mention any such thing.

You stupid woman, go cook for your husband instead of wasting your time trying to argue with us superior men.
Your intellect is too tiny.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

In addition, I know a few alleged True Christians who are about to take a trip to Pastor Pistle's woodshed... How could you entertain, even for a single moment, the legitimacy of this Christ mockers' filthy lies?

Even though she can take certain verses out of context in the Holy Bible, that is no reason to be taken in by her demonic accusations against our Lord and Saviour. Have you lost your senses? Even satan can quote from the Word of God!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

You have earned yourself a whole truckload of infraction points for denying that Jesus is perfect, which is blasphemy, and for being an empty-headed unsaved female ball of trash. This thread is deeply offensive to Jesus and all True Christians, and it is so idiotic that it takes one's breath away.

It is not. I've done nothing but point out what is in the bible. The same bible which YOU follow to the letter!

In the same post (quoted above) you accuse Jesus of being a bastard (i.e., fatherless), and then make reference to His father. So you defeat your own stupid argument. In addition, I wonder what historical knowledge you might have on the marriage customs or birth registries of that time. In other words, I am certain that you wouldn't know a 1st century bastard if he punched you in the mouth.

Being a bastard is not the same as being fatherless. Being a bastard is when a child is illegitimate ie born out of wedlock as Jesus clearly was. The bible states she was not married at the time, and that she became pregnant.
Therefore, Jesus was illegitimate (ie a bastard)case closed!

Which is the first thing Jesus is going to do, once He gets his hands on you, filthmonger.

Quit fantasizing about punching me already.

You speak as if he didn't find her to be a virgin.
He obviously did, as otherwise he would have stoned Mary, and the Bible (KJV1611) doesn't mention any such thing.

He wouldn't have found her to be one!
And it would have been up to her to publicly disgrace her, or to deal with her family. Clearly, he did not wish to publically disgrace her, as is in Matthew:

Matthew 1: 18-19 18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

1. Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.

To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:27-35


2. Jesus/God needs not follow His own laws.
He gave them to humans, not Himself:

Moreover thou leddest them in the day by a cloudy pillar; and in the night by a pillar of fire, to give them light in the way wherein they should go.
Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:
Nehemiah 9:12-14

Notice how it says that He gave THEM laws, not Himself.
Find me a single verse which says God needs follow His own laws.
Jesus wasn't a bastard since the law doesn't apply to Him.