[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

My what an interesting discussion...so Mary wasn't a virgin when she married Joseph & JC was in fact a bastard.

Not at all! Mary was a virgin before and after JESUS' miraculous birth, which is what makes it a miracle. After JESUS grew up he naturally had nothing to do with the old JOO.

So...you lot worship these people because...?

Because it's ridiculous to try and run a Christian Ministry if one doesn't. Who would send us money?

Fine upstanding moral characters?

There was nothing immoral about it. The Holy Ghost told Mary how lucky she was and 'came upon' her. You can do that if you are GOD!

[lilith]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

It is not. I've done nothing but point out what is in the bible. The same bible which YOU follow to the letter!


Being a bastard is not the same as being fatherless. Being a bastard is when a child is illegitimate ie born out of wedlock as Jesus clearly was. The bible states she was not married at the time, and that she became pregnant.
Therefore, Jesus was illegitimate (ie a bastard)case closed!


Quit fantasizing about punching me already.


He wouldn't have found her to be one!
And it would have been up to her to publicly disgrace her, or to deal with her family. Clearly, he did not wish to publically disgrace her, as is in Matthew:

Matthew 1: 18-19 18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

My what an interesting discussion...so Mary wasn't a virgin when she married Joseph & JC was in fact a bastard.

So...you lot worship these people because...?

Fine upstanding moral characters?

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

was Mary married to god? No, she wasn't, she was to be married to Joseph.

All True Christians™ are married to God:

Matthew 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.

Luke 5:34 And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
Luke 5:35 But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Of course, you wouldn't know about this, since you're a wicker who go a whoring after your FALSE gods.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

NO!

How doesn't it? I think it does.

OF COURSE HE WAS JOSEPH'S SON! He simply wasn't sired by Joseph.

He was Jospeh's step-son. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order for someone to be someone's father, they need to have planted their seed into the woman's womb. Jesus was not born of Joseph's seed. Therefore, he was not his son.

Please keep your illogical nonsense to yourself. The Holy Spirit 'Came upon" Mary, and Joseph was told to like it or else!

It isn't illogical. You're being illogical. I'm simply pointing out simple facts that even a child could see!

Because of one simple little fact. Women are damned by GOD and everything they do is wrong unless their husband or father tells them to do it. If it is still wrong, it is the woman's fault.

And how is that right, or fair?
In other religions besides the abrhamaic ones, deities are beings to look up to, to aspire to, that have virtuous/admirable characteristics. The god you worship happily seems to do in the bible all the things he then condemns others for doing and then goes on to say how unforgivable they are! Is that a deity to look up to, to aspire to?

Do you know why you get migraines, MISSY? I'll tell you! Because you are trying to think! GOD doesn't want women to think, but merely to bake little soldiers for JESUS.

I'd really rather not get pregnant again, Pastor, and seeing as I was born with a brain, I might as well put it to some use.

[Mrs. Rogers]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.

Amen. Joseph waited until Mary had given birth before consumating the marriage - thereby sparing the Holy Fetus an undignified prodding:

(Matthew 1:23-25)
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Which was, of course, the righteous thing to do, seeing as sex should only be for the purposes of procreation; if one's wife is with child, there should be NO grubbing about between the sheets for the duration of the pregnancy.

Being a bastard has nothing to do with marriage and everything to do with miscegenation - the sin of crossing bloodlines with Godless races.

So Mrs. Van HellOnWheels is saying that The LORD is a negro ... or worse, a curry-muncher?! What a ghastly woman!

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

And doesn't that prove my point?

NO!


Look, just pointing out some simple things here.
Was Jesus Joseph's son? No.

OF COURSE HE WAS JOSEPH'S SON! He simply wasn't sired by Joseph.

I'll pretend for a moment the bible is real. Jesus was 'god's son' was Mary married to god? No, she wasn't, she was to be married to Joseph. Therefore, he becomes illegitimate.

Please keep your illogical nonsense to yourself. The Holy Spirit 'Came upon" Mary, and Joseph was told to like it or else!

But what I'm trying to say here is why condemn the rest of humankind for an action which was used to 'beget the savior' supposedly? Why do something, then damn it if anyone else does? How is that leading an example?

Because of one simple little fact. Women are damned by GOD and everything they do is wrong unless their husband or father tells them to do it. If it is still wrong, it is the woman's fault.

I'm only pointing out very simple things using simple logic. Maybe you should try it sometime, Pastor?

Do you know why you get migraines, MISSY? I'll tell you! Because you are trying to think! GOD doesn't want women to think, but merely to bake little soldiers for JESUS.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Nonsense. This is what "bastard" means:

1) bastard, child of incest, illegitimate child
a) bastard
b) mixed population (fig.)
c) born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother or visa versa

And doesn't that prove my point?
Look, just pointing out some simple things here.
Was Jesus Joseph's son? No. I'll pretend for a moment the bible is real. Jesus was 'god's son' was Mary married to god? No, she wasn't, she was to be married to Joseph.
Therefore, he becomes illegitimate.

Being a bastard has nothing to do with marriage and everything to do with miscegenation - the sin of crossing bloodlines with Godless races.

If a GODLY woman should conceive a child with, say, a Negro, then after 10 generations the child will only be 1/1024 Negro . So God is saying that even if you're only 99.91% white, He'll let you in anyway. That's how much God loves His children.

But what I'm trying to say here is why condemn the rest of humankind for an action which was used to 'beget the savior' supposedly?
Why do something, then damn it if anyone else does? How is that leading an example?

YOU are about to become a mythological person in the manner of LOT's wife if you keep up that sassy tone in this GODLY forum, MISSY!

I'm only pointing out very simple things using simple logic. Maybe you should try it sometime, Pastor?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

You're talking about two mythological people here, a father and a son.

YOU are about to become a mythological person in the manner of LOT's wife if you keep up that sassy tone in this GODLY forum, MISSY!

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Being a bastard is not the same as being fatherless. Being a bastard is when a child is illegitimate ie born out of wedlock as Jesus clearly was.

Nonsense. This is what "bastard" means:

1) bastard, child of incest, illegitimate child
a) bastard
b) mixed population (fig.)
c) born of a Jewish father and a heathen mother or visa versa

Being a bastard has nothing to do with marriage and everything to do with miscegenation - the sin of crossing bloodlines with Godless races.

If a GODLY woman should conceive a child with, say, a Negro, then after 10 generations the child will only be 1/1024 Negro . So God is saying that even if you're only 99.91% white, He'll let you in anyway. That's how much God loves His children.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

Being a bastard is not the same as being fatherless. Being a bastard is when a child is illegitimate ie born out of wedlock as Jesus clearly was. The bible states she was not married at the time, and that she became pregnant.
Therefore, Jesus was illegitimate (ie a bastard)case closed!

Rachael,

You are forgetting what comes latter; Jesus is baptized. In other words Jesus has repented of His depravity and accepted Himself as His personal savior. Therefore any sins He had He forgave Himself of. The other crimes Jesus committed after His baptism He paid for when He temporally died. You see Rachael, all must obey God's law, even God.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

You're talking about two mythological people here, a father and a son. Not the same person.

You are talking about the Saviour of Mankind here, witch! The only thing that is mythological is your intelligence.

You are also flirting with permanent banishment. Enjoy your new infraction points. I know they'll match the hundreds of old ones you've earned....

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

You're talking about two mythological people here, a father and a son. Not the same person.

Oh, really?
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word*, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:7

Great Biblical knowledge you got there, harlot.
*Son/Jesus

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

You're talking about two mythological people here, a father and a son. Not the same person.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

1. Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus.

To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 1:27-35


2. Jesus/God needs not follow His own laws.
He gave them to humans, not Himself:

Moreover thou leddest them in the day by a cloudy pillar; and in the night by a pillar of fire, to give them light in the way wherein they should go.
Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:
Nehemiah 9:12-14

Notice how it says that He gave THEM laws, not Himself.
Find me a single verse which says God needs follow His own laws.
Jesus wasn't a bastard since the law doesn't apply to Him.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Would even Jesus get into heaven?

You have earned yourself a whole truckload of infraction points for denying that Jesus is perfect, which is blasphemy, and for being an empty-headed unsaved female ball of trash. This thread is deeply offensive to Jesus and all True Christians, and it is so idiotic that it takes one's breath away.

It is not. I've done nothing but point out what is in the bible. The same bible which YOU follow to the letter!

In the same post (quoted above) you accuse Jesus of being a bastard (i.e., fatherless), and then make reference to His father. So you defeat your own stupid argument. In addition, I wonder what historical knowledge you might have on the marriage customs or birth registries of that time. In other words, I am certain that you wouldn't know a 1st century bastard if he punched you in the mouth.

Being a bastard is not the same as being fatherless. Being a bastard is when a child is illegitimate ie born out of wedlock as Jesus clearly was. The bible states she was not married at the time, and that she became pregnant.
Therefore, Jesus was illegitimate (ie a bastard)case closed!

Which is the first thing Jesus is going to do, once He gets his hands on you, filthmonger.

Quit fantasizing about punching me already.

You speak as if he didn't find her to be a virgin.
He obviously did, as otherwise he would have stoned Mary, and the Bible (KJV1611) doesn't mention any such thing.

He wouldn't have found her to be one!
And it would have been up to her to publicly disgrace her, or to deal with her family. Clearly, he did not wish to publically disgrace her, as is in Matthew:

Matthew 1: 18-19 18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.