The Seven Sacraments

[Father Thomas Martin]

Allow me to share with you our Seven Sacraments (We see your baptisms and marriages as valid)

1. Baptism (Just like your baptisms (we see yours as valid), only we frequently baptize babies-if you did that more, you wouldn't have to moan and groan about them being cast in hell like they were some sort of serial killers)
2. Confirmation (Usually administered by a bishop, it completes the initiation started at Baptism-some say it's the Christian equivalent of a bar mitzvah)
3. Eucharist (receive Jesus-body, blood, soul, and divinity-under the appearances of bread and wine...you calling it the death cookie is pure blasphemy, and Jack Chick is a liar with hate in his heart)
4. Reconciliation (Often called confession or penance, the penitent confesses his or her sins to the priest, who gives an appropriate penance and absolves the person)
5. Anointing of the Sick (often incorrectly called "last rites," this sacrament restores spiritual and in a few cases physical health to the person)
6. Holy Orders (Ordination the diaconate (deacon), presbyterate (priest), or episcopate (bishop)...Some say it can only be received once, but priests are ordained twice and bishops are three times)
7. Matrimony (We see it as a Godly, lifelong union)

Which of these come closest to being valid enough for you?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: The Seven Sacraments

1. Baptism (Just like your baptisms (we see yours as valid), only we frequently baptize babies-if you did that more, you wouldn't have to moan and groan about them being cast in hell like they were some sort of serial killers)

Of course we'd have to!
BAPTISM DOESN'T MAKE ANYONE SAVED, TRUSTING IN, AND ACCEPTING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOUR DOES!
That's why you only baptize those who already believe.

3. Eucharist (receive Jesus-body, blood, soul, and divinity-under the appearances of bread and wine...you calling it the death cookie is pure blasphemy, and Jack Chick is a liar with hate in his heart)

We've debunked this nonsense countless times already so I don't need to do it again, suffice to say -
You're wrong and throw out false accusations because your father is satan.

4. Reconciliation (Often called confession or penance, the penitent confesses his or her sins to the priest, who gives an appropriate penance and absolves the person)

Jesus is the only one who can forgive sins, and the truly Saved will not keep on sinning either.
Thus, we can easily conclude that cathylicks aren't Saved.
You replace repentance with only penance, which is unbiblical.
The sinner must truly regret his actions, that's what important, not punishment.

6. Holy Orders (Ordination the diaconate (deacon), presbyterate (priest), or episcopate (bishop)...Some say it can only be received once, but priests are ordained twice and bishops are three times)

The Bible says we have but one high-priest, and that is Jesus.
Mortal priests are for jews.


You're going to hell unless you stop trusting in a church founded by mortal men for worldly reasons and turn to Jesus Christ.

[Father Thomas Martin]

Re: The Seven Sacraments

Of course we'd have to!
BAPTISM DOESN'T MAKE ANYONE SAVED, TRUSTING IN, AND ACCEPTING THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL SAVIOUR DOES!
That's why you only baptize those who already believe.

"Truly I say to you, unless a man is born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." -Jesus

"Repent and be baptized"The Disciples post-Pentecost

We've debunked this nonsense countless times already so I don't need to do it again, suffice to say -
You're wrong and throw out false accusations because your father is satan.

Read John 6. You take every chapter literally, so this should be no problem.

Jesus is the only one who can forgive sins, and the truly Saved will not keep on sinning either.
Thus, we can easily conclude that cathylicks aren't Saved.
You replace repentance with only penance, which is unbiblical.
The sinner must truly regret his actions, that's what important, not punishment.

"Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven; whose sins you shall retain, they are retained"

The disciples passed the power on to their disciples, and their disciples to their disciples, etc. etc.

God forgives...The priest only absolves.

The words are

"May God grant you forgiveness, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

You're going to hell unless you stop trusting in a church founded by mortal men for worldly reasons and turn to Jesus Christ.

Your church has been around since 1620...Ours has been around since 33 AD!

[JennyD]

Re: The Seven Sacraments

"Truly I say to you, unless a man is born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." -Jesus

"Repent and be baptized"The Disciples post-Pentecost

Kindly describe to us in detail exactly how an infant can follow the command to (first) Repent and (second) be baptized.

Thank you.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: The Seven Sacraments

Allow me to share with you our Seven Sacraments (We see your baptisms and marriages as valid)

...papist claptrap deleted.....

Which of these come closest to being valid enough for you?

Answer: not one. We do not recognize the spiritual validity of any rituals performed by dress wearing antichrists, voodoo witchdoctors, or joos. We are True Christians™, not mary worshiping idolaters who blaspheme against God.

Any further idiotic questions, papist dog?

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: The Seven Sacraments

"Truly I say to you, unless a man is born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." -Jesus

"Repent and be baptized"The Disciples post-Pentecost

Exactly.. You REPENT and THEN you get baptized.
You must believe BEFORE you get baptized, and a baby can never believe nor repent.

But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 8:12

Then Simon himself believed also:
And when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Acts 8:13

And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house;
And many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.
Acts 18:8

Read John 6. You take every chapter literally, so this should be no problem.

First off, we've shown you several times that John 6 says nothing of the sort of what you claim it says..
And EVERY TIME you've cut and run. I'm not going to do it again, you will have to adress those posts.
And if you try to push any of this papist nonsense one more time without having done so, your posts will be treated for what they are- SPAM- and will be deleted.
We've been patient with you. Too patient obviously, for we aren't here to entertain your silly and blasphemous notions.

Second,
Jesus Himself doesn't put much stock in your nonsense.
He Himself says He's drinking wine, fool.

And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
Mark 14:22-25

The fruit of the VINE doesn't equal the fruit of the VEIN, obviously.

"Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven; whose sins you shall retain, they are retained"

The disciples passed the power on to their disciples, and their disciples to their disciples, etc. etc.

God never said that was possible, therefore it isn't.
For He would mention such an important thing in His Word.
Infact, the Bible says the opposite of what you claim.
THIS is what the Bible says:

Thine, O LORD is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty:
For all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; Thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.
Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; And in thine hand is power and might;
And in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all.
1 Chronicles 29:11-12

And since GOD makes great, and GOD gives power and never shares His glory..
True power and greatness is ALWAYS from God! They can't "pass it on".

I am the LORD: that is my name:
And my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 42:8

You don't have the power or authority to forgive sins for God never gave it to you directly, deal with it.

God forgives...The priest only absolves.

Semantic wordplay! To forgive sins is a power you've always claimed to have.
You even SOLD AND TRADED your so-called "forgiveness" you damned hypocrite!

The words are

"May God grant you forgiveness, and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

The Words of the BIBLE are:
And He* is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2

*Jesus Christ, and NOT some pedophile "priest".

Your church has been around since 1620...Ours has been around since 33 AD!

Never heard of John the BAPTIST?

And no to when you started too, for the first real pope was Damasus the first.
Peter didn't preach to gentiles, and most certainly never founded a Church in a GENTILE city!

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles: )
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me,
They gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Galatians 2:7-9

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: The Seven Sacraments

Where are you, you papist scum? Are you running away AGAIN?
For you've been here several times since your last post in this thread...