[Dwayne DeKalb]

Re: God is

if tree fall in forest I am hope this guy underneath



nobody is impress with your dummy logic okay falsie. I have philosophy question I am want for find out answer...what is sound of one hand slapping your face. now do everyone favor and shut up dummy.

Hey, this reminds me...if a tree falls in the forest, will YOU make a sound? Help save our forests...chain yourself to a tree. You can make a difference!

[JennyD]

Re: God is

Sorry, Atheist, your logic is false.

Take a look at my sig, and paraphrase it to argue perfection instead of goodness. YHWH never claimed to create everything perfect you see. His standards were pretty low. He created stuff and was happy when it was merely good. When it went bad, he did a flood-based p-wipe. So, his performance has been perfectly mediocre as a deity, as he is perfection itself. Is your brain big enough to follow that logic?

Also, if you believe in the Holy Trinity then that is "Three of a Perfect Pair". Even atheists agree that that is a "perfect mess".

I do NOT buy into that holy trinity nonsense because YHWH clearly said that there is NONE other. If He was lying, then you might as well throw Shai'tan into the pantheon just like every false Christian has done since Dante's day.

Er, no Christian has ever described a Holy Foursome. It's God, not Golf!

What, pray tell, is a p-wipe? Is it some manner of moist towelette?

Hey, this reminds me...if a tree falls in the forest, will YOU make a sound? Help save our forests...chain yourself to a tree. You can make a difference!

May we chain you to a tree instead?

[Joe the Atheist]

Re: God is

YHWH never claimed to create everything perfect you see. His standards were pretty low. He created stuff and was happy when it was merely good.

Sure, a perfect deity should be able to create anything it wants, good, bad, perfect, imperfect, whatever.

The OP claimed that your god is totally incapable of creating anything perfect.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: God is

Sure, a perfect deity should be able to create anything it wants, good, bad, perfect, imperfect, whatever.

The OP claimed that your god is totally incapable of creating anything perfect.

The confusion here lies in the fact that nothing can be perfect but God, pantheism covers Atheist Joe's cheeky lie.

God can create anything, even 'perfect' things as you call them, but people use the adjective perfect in sloppy unphilosophical ways. To create perfection of course, God could create himself, and we know that he is self causing so again it makes sense.

[Fallen Angel]

Re: God is

i tried reading this thred but it dun make much sence. i kno the godess n the god r perfect n we can be 2 if we get the rite carma n do good things coz what u do comes back 3 times.

[Underpants Gnome]

Re: God is

I said the thing of which nothing greater can be conceived, you said you could conceive of greater (illogical).

Well, what about it? Azothoth is greater than your God. Quite ducking the question and prove Azothoth isn't.

you are saying how do we know what this greatest perfect God IS. You have been unable to say that he does not exist,

Prove god doesn’t exist? Easy slick, here you go.

Fact 1: Everyone agrees God is a supernatural being. No matter what culture you go to the god/goddess are not bound by natural laws.

Fact 2: We have observed no supernatural events in the observable universe. All such claims of the supernatural have not stood up to rigorous examination.

Conclusion 1. Since there no supernatural the universe must the result of a natural process.

Conclusion 2: Since there is no supernatural there is no God.

[Underpants Gnome]

Re: God is

Sorry, Atheist, your logic is false.

Take a look at my sig, and paraphrase it to argue perfection instead of goodness. YHWH never claimed to create everything perfect you see. His standards were pretty low. He created stuff and was happy when it was merely good. When it went bad, he did a flood-based p-wipe. So, his performance has been perfectly mediocre as a deity, as he is perfection itself. Is your brain big enough to follow that logic?

Also, if you believe in the Holy Trinity then that is "Three of a Perfect Pair". Even atheists agree that that is a "perfect mess".

Indulge me here since as an atheist I no moral compass but what you are saying YHWH is perfect because YHWH is such a perfect failure? Nothing YHWH does goes right?

I do NOT buy into that holy trinity nonsense because YHWH clearly said that there is NONE other. If He was lying, then you might as well throw Shai'tan into the pantheon just like every false Christian has done since Dante's day.

You might even say YHWH has a wife

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: God is

Wow you really have very little ability to discuss this... You aren't even coming up with good arguments, it is kind of frustrating being I know in your position I could do so much better.

Well, what about it? Azothoth is greater than your God. Quite ducking the question and prove Azothoth isn't.

I explained this to you VERY CLEARLY. If we postulate the greatest being which no greater can be conceived, then we are postulating the greatest being that no greater can be conceived.

Understand? So there is no sense in saying "but I can conceive of greater", that is not logical, you can't conceive greater then the greatest thing that you can conceive of.

Prove god doesn’t exist? Easy peasy, here you go.

Fact 1: Everyone agrees God is a supernatural being. No matter what culture you go to the god/goddess are not bound by natural laws.

Fact 2: We have observed no supernatural events in the observable universe. All such claims of the supernatural have not stood up to rigorous examination.

Conclusion 1. Since there no supernatural the universe must the result of a natural process.

Conclusion 2: Since there is no supernatural there is no God.

That proves God doesn't exist? Wow, that's awful, it isn't even the illustrious and respectable Hume's On Miracles which I love to talk about. (and if that is where you got it from, you are a dunce of a butcher, sir, cutting the best bits out and leaving the diseased meat) Not only do people frequently tell us they have experienced supernatural events, it doesn't matter if they are telling the truth or not. God is done with 'magic' as after he sent Jesus to die for our sins he hasn't needed to use anything more.

Christianity is not effected at all by that "argument".

[Nobar King]

Re: God is

i tried reading this thred but it dun make much sence. i kno the godess n the god r perfect n we can be 2 if we get the rite carma n do good things coz what u do comes back 3 times.

Only 3 times?

[The Adversary]

Re: God is

Indulge me here since as an atheist I no moral compass but what you are saying YHWH is perfect because YHWH is such a perfect failure? Nothing YHWH does goes right?

I think that is part of Unfalsifiable's argument, but not mine. God says "I the LORD created everything, whether perfect or FUBAR. I, (four vowel sounds), created all this nonsense; if you perceive something as evil or imperfect then it bears my seal, I will not blame a meddling bungler. If however, you like what you see, please come again and worship me and burn some animal flesh as it has a soothing savour."

You might even say YHWH has a wife

If you start including every, angel, daemon, and demi-god then the Hebrew pantheon is just as heavily populated as the Greek one (but not near as populous as that Catholic nonsense). For example, we know that the desert daemon Azazel had quite a lot of pull because when the earliest scapegoat rituals were performed, one goat was sacrificed to YHWH and another was sent to Azazel. That pretty much put him on equal footing in the sin department, dontcha think?

Asherah was from the Canaanite pantheon, and was brought in by people like Jezebel. I imagine that there were a few attempts to form a union between Yahweh and Asherah for political reasons...

[Captain James T. Kirk]

Re: God is

I explained this to you VERY CLEARLY.

You've explained everything very clearly. It's just that your original argument and thus most of what you said afterward is very clearly wrong.

[Sister Noddy]

Re: God is

Wow you really have very little ability to discuss this... You aren't even coming up with good arguments, it is kind of frustrating being I know in your position I could do so much better . . .

I explained this to you VERY CLEARLY. If we postulate the greatest being which no greater can be conceived, then . . .

Gosh it's refreshing to know that you can do so much better in these debates than the rest of us, Mr Falsie! I'm impressed!

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: God is

You've explained everything very clearly. It's just that your original argument and thus most of what you said afterward is very clearly wrong.

Thank you kirk, we can now longer say that this ontological argument thread is circular-argument free!

Why do only the brain-dead atheists come here?

[Mr Godwin]

Re: God is

Gosh it's refreshing to know that you can do so much better in these debates than the rest of us, Mr Falsie! I'm impressed!

That's telling him, Mother. Good for you.

[The Black Lion]

Re: God is

1) God is an Omniscient perfect being. Most peoples concept of God is that, even atheists. They just don't believe.

This statement is in itself a gross assumption of the existence of "God", whatever "God" is. You have not provided any information in this statement to support the claim. Furthermore, you have not provided a definition of perfection nor have you defined what "God" is? So at this point you have not even established what it is you are stating exists.

My example: A Quofotan is an difficult being. The majority of people view the Quofotan to be difficult in nature.

2) It is better to exist then it is to not exist

You are making a blanket statement which is neither a supporting arguement nor has it any revelence whatsoever to your first statement.

My example: It is good to bathe rather than not bathe.

3) A perfect being therefore exists rather not existing. Existence is a predicate of perfection

By this statement you are once again making a gross assumption with no supporting evidence. In addition your statement further assumes that anything exists, including a pink flying panda bear who can play the guitar that is in my bed room at this very moment that you are reading this. And you assertion of this pink panda's existence is founded on nothing more than the concept that the existence of such a being is better than the non-existence of such a being.

My example: A difficult being therefore is clean rather than being filthy. Existence is a predicate to cleanliness.

4) God therefore exists rather then doesn't exist.

My example: And therefore a Quofotan exists rather than doesn't exist.

Thought I'd clear that up for all you people who don't believe. It is pretty illogical to not believe in God's existence.


Thanks.

So to sum up my own claim using the very same line of reasoning you have:

1.) A Quofotan is an difficult being. The majority of people view the Quofotan to be difficult in nature.

2.) It is better to bathe rather than not to bathe.

3.) A difficult being therefore is clean rather than being filthy. Cleanliness is a predicate to being difficult.

4.) And therefore a Quofotan exists rather than doesn't exist.

Would you agree that the Quofotan exists, Unfalsifiable?