[TinyJay]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

not sure if she is a ugly one ,I don't do ugly

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

I was looking for a religion that did not want any thing from me except my devotion.
I was impressed that the clergy received no payment for their time.All tithing went to building new churches,missionary work and helping the poor.
And then I found out that if I did not pay all of my 10% ,I would not be able to get to the Celestial kingdom.So here we are again money ,the root of all Evil !

So is that when you decided to become a satanist?

No not all books ever written,that's just plain silly.But surly it should contain all the gospels that were written

Even gospels that contradicted what the other gospels said? Even ones written centuries after Christ? Which gospels are you talking about?

The gospel of Thomas, which suggest women need to be transformed into men in order to be saved? "Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.’” (Gospel of Thomas 114)

The Gospel of Peter, which claims to be written by the disciple himself, yet was actually written in the late 2nd century AD?

The Gospel of James, which teaches Mary remained a virgin all her life although the canonical Bible explicitly states otherwise?

The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, which includes stories where Jesus as a child kills other children who bump into Him accidently, and when their parents come to complain, He makes them blind?

The Gospel of Psuedo-Matthew, which states Mary was immaculately conceived although we know that all humans are sinners?

The Arabic Infancy Gospel, which states people were healed of diseases by touching the baby Jesus' used diapers?

Marcion's gospel of Luke, which is just the Gospel of Luke edited to remove parts he found to be "too Jewish"?

The Gospel of Judas, which states that Jesus lied to all of the other apostles and only told Judas the truth in secret?

There are over 60 known "gospels". Do you think they should ALL be included in the Bible? Do you think they were all inspired by God?

[TinyJay]

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So is that when you decided to become a satanist?

I am torn between pagan and buddhist

Even gospels that contradicted what the other gospels said? Even ones written centuries after Christ? Which gospels are you talking about?

The gospel of Mary,Judas for starters.
especially the gospels that contradicted each other
How many of the gospels were actually written during the life of Jesus?
I don't think that his disciples kept a diary of the day to day happenings. I wonder if the Disciples of Jesus might have embellished their accounts of his life?

[MirthMenace]

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Even gospels that contradicted what the other gospels said? Even ones written centuries after Christ? Which gospels are you talking about?

The gospel of Thomas, which suggest women need to be transformed into men in order to be saved? "Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven.’” (Gospel of Thomas 114)

The Gospel of Peter, which claims to be written by the disciple himself, yet was actually written in the late 2nd century AD?

The Gospel of James, which teaches Mary remained a virgin all her life although the canonical Bible explicitly states otherwise?

The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, which includes stories where Jesus as a child kills other children who bump into Him accidently, and when their parents come to complain, He makes them blind?

The Gospel of Psuedo-Matthew, which states Mary was immaculately conceived although we know that all humans are sinners?

The Arabic Infancy Gospel, which states people were healed of diseases by touching the baby Jesus' used diapers?

Marcion's gospel of Luke, which is just the Gospel of Luke edited to remove parts he found to be "too Jewish"?

The Gospel of Judas, which states that Jesus lied to all of the other apostles and only told Judas the truth in secret?

There are over 60 known "gospels". Do you think they should ALL be included in the Bible? Do you think they were all inspired by God?

So who decided what was and was not "inspired by God"?

And just out of curiosity, how did Thomas, one of the apostles, end up so completely at odds with the apparent beliefs of the four "Major" apostles? Was he just mentally scarred by the whole experience? Why did the eight "minor" apostles just sort of disappear into relative obscurity? Had they just had enough of the whole this-guy-thinks-he's-God-and-he's-keeping-us-all-in-the-cross-hairs business? Were happy just to ride off into the sunset and not look back? Two thirds of Jesus' posse basically bailed as soon as the opportunity presented itself. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that two thirds of his posse came to think he was a textbook sociopathic narcissist with a death wish that became a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Just some random thoughts I thought I'd share.

[Nobar King]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

Just some random thoughts I thought I'd share.

That's a random thought? I'd hate to see what you think about when you really put your mind to the task (if that ever happens).

[MirthMenace]

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I'd hate to see what you think about when you really put your mind to the task (if that ever happens).

Yes, I suppose you would.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

So who decided what was and was not "inspired by God"?

And just out of curiosity, how did Thomas, one of the apostles, end up so completely at odds with the apparent beliefs of the four "Major" apostles? Was he just mentally scarred by the whole experience? Why did the eight "minor" apostles just sort of disappear into relative obscurity? Had they just had enough of the whole this-guy-thinks-he's-God-and-he's-keeping-us-all-in-the-cross-hairs business? Were happy just to ride off into the sunset and not look back? Two thirds of Jesus' posse basically bailed as soon as the opportunity presented itself. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that two thirds of his posse came to think he was a textbook sociopathic narcissist with a death wish that became a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Just some random thoughts I thought I'd share.

Gospel of Thomas is merely it's title. It was not written by the Apostle Thomas. Most scholars date it to at least the middle of the second century, long after Jesus' time. That is in fact the case with almost all of these rejected gospels.

On the other hand, almost all scholars agree that the four canonical gospels were in fact written in the first century, within the reasonable timeline for the apostles to have written it. That, and the fact that they share a similar outlook and record of Jesus' life is good reason to trust them above the other ones.

Now then, why don't you go away to a forum about a subject matter you actually know something about and quit bothering us with your ignorant opinions?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

I am torn between pagan and buddhist



The gospel of Mary,Judas for starters.
especially the gospels that contradicted each other
How many of the gospels were actually written during the life of Jesus?
I don't think that his disciples kept a diary of the day to day happenings. I wonder if the Disciples of Jesus might have embellished their accounts of his life?

Now if you are gathering together books to be the basis of a religion, you would have to only choose books that agreed with each other. Am I wrong? Can we have a Bible that says Jesus was the same as God, and also that Jesus was just a man, and also that Jesus didn't have a corporal body, or maybe one that says Jesus was an enemy of Yahweh and was working for a higher god? Wouldn't you have to pick one story and go with it?

[MirthMenace]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

Gospel of Thomas is merely it's title. It was not written by the Apostle Thomas. Most scholars date it to at least the middle of the second century, long after Jesus' time. That is in fact the case with almost all of these rejected gospels.

On the other hand, almost all scholars agree that the four canonical gospels were in fact written in the first century, within the reasonable timeline for the apostles to have written it. That, and the fact that they share a similar outlook and record of Jesus' life is good reason to trust them above the other ones.

Now then, why don't you go away to a forum about a subject matter you actually know something about and quit bothering us with your ignorant opinions?

Nice sidestepping. Ignoring my questions doesn't make them any less asked. How very Bush-like.

[Johnnyboy]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

Nice sidestepping. Ignoring my questions doesn't make them any less asked. How very Bush-like.

This is a Christian Forum. We don't talk about lady parts here.

[MirthMenace]

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This is a Christian Forum. We don't talk about lady parts here.

That I capitalized "Bush" apparently escaped your attention. Anyway, even if I hadn't capitalized it and had meant it in the way you were so quick to assume, the term does not necessarily apply to all ladies as some choose to divest themselves of such things in the interest of aesthetics and I would think such practices would easily pass Baptist muster.

[Johnnyboy]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

That I capitalized "Bush" apparently escaped your attention. Anyway, even if I hadn't capitalized it and had meant it in the way you were so quick to assume, the term does not necessarily apply to all ladies as some choose to divest themselves of such things in the interest of aesthetics and I would think such practices would easily pass Baptist muster.

Actually, it was the capitalization of "Bush" that got my attention. Fancy sentence structure doesn't always hide a pervert.

[Meek and Humble]

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Actually I answered all of your questions in that post. But to make it even clearer...

So who decided what was and was not "inspired by God"?

God decided. But most importantly, we can see the church has been correct because the documents we have as Scripture are some of the earliest and most in agreement towards a common theology.

And just out of curiosity, how did Thomas, one of the apostles, end up so completely at odds with the apparent beliefs of the four "Major" apostles?

He didn't end up at odds with the others. They all believed the same thing. "The Gospel of Thomas" is a forgery not actually written by the Apostle since it was written at least a hundred years after he would have died.

Was he just mentally scarred by the whole experience?

See above.

Why did the eight "minor" apostles just sort of disappear into relative obscurity?

They did not, so your point is moot.

Had they just had enough of the whole this-guy-thinks-he's-God-and-he's-keeping-us-all-in-the-cross-hairs business?

Actually, all of the apostles ended up being martyred for their faith.

Were happy just to ride off into the sunset and not look back?

They were happy to travel the known world spreading the Good News and not renouncing it even on to death.

Two thirds of Jesus' posse basically bailed as soon as the opportunity presented itself.

Again, no. Why do you think this?

It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that two thirds of his posse came to think he was a textbook sociopathic narcissist with a death wish that became a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Why are you saying two-thirds exactly? Do you perhaps think the four gospels were written by four apostles? Well, first of all only two of the gospels were written by Apostles: Matthew and John. Mark was a student of Peter, and Luke was a student of Paul. Luke also wrote Acts. Paul wrote several of the books of the new Testament. Peter wrote two books. James wrote another, as did Jude. As well his gospel, John wrote three epistles and the book of Revelation. That right there is half the apostles involved in writing the Bible. Throughout all their writings they make clear that the apostles were still out there doing the Lord's work, so no, two thirds did not give up the faith. In the last book of the Bible written, Revelation, it is written that the Apostles will hold seats together in New Jerusalem. As Revelation was written around 90 AD, most of the apostles were already dead, and had any of them given up the faith, this would have been reflected in the writing.

Now, what makes you think you have authority to talk about this subject?

[MirthMenace]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

Hmmmm. Perhaps I have misinterpreted some misinformation. You're right, though. I have no "authority" to talk about this subject. None whatsoever. The argument you make is compelling......almost too compelling. Seriously, speaking with the ostensible authority you portray so well, you might actually end up unwittingly converting someone.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Republicans fight to save our penises!

What do you mean, unwittingly convert someone? That's my whole purpose in life, to bring lost sheep into the bosom of the Lord. I will not stand for know-nothing atheists tarnishing my faith by spreading lies. No sir. You want to discredit Chrisitanity, at least have the sense to do it in ways a True Christian(tm) can't poke holes through.