What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

[Virginia Day Templeton]

We won 'em both!

Bush Speech Will Use Vietnam War To Justify Military Effort in Iraq

OTTAWA, Canada -- In a speech to veterans Wednesday, President Bush will seek to use America's Vietnam war experience as a justification for maintaining the current U.S. military effort, rather than withdrawing.

The president's unusual attempt to directly address the parallels that critics see between Iraq and Vietnam marks a significant ramping up of the administration's rhetoric on the war, in advance of an upcoming report to Congress in September by Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker. It also appears to foreshadow a mixed picture of successes and failures.

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In a departure from his standard Iraq rhetoric, Mr. Bush will directly compare the Iraq conflict to Vietnam -- another long-running conflict where U.S. involvement became controversial and calls for withdrawal ultimately became politically irresistible. But he will make the case that the Vietnam conflict was part of a long and ultimately successful battle in Asia against militarism and communism.

"In Asia, we saw freedom triumph over violent ideologies after the sacrifice of tens of thousands of American lives -- and that freedom has yielded peace for generations," he is expected to say. "The advance of freedom in these lands should give us confidence that the hard work we are doing in the Middle East can have the same results we have seen in Asia -- if we show the same perseverance and sense of purpose."

Simply put: if we pull out of Iraq, the region will be engulfed by violence and chaos, and America will be humiliated—just like what happened it Vietnam. But if we stay the course, the conflict will end peacefully and our troops will be looked at as heroes—just like in Vietnam! How can the Demo-fascists argue with that kind of logic?

[Seeker]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

I just thank God that all those godly air force jets that kept me up all night, flying over my house to protect Mr. Bush's visit here today with his holy message.

I would think that from 10:30 pm last till 11:00 am this morning would be enough to protect our wonderful prez.

I noticed that Godly Fox news just did not want to talk about it that way, but all them liberals on CNN must just like to spin things.

[lilith]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

What do they have in common?

Waaaaay too many Americans.

[Trent Harvey, Jr.]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

I can think of a lot of things that Vietnam and Iraq have in common:

1. A more than decade-long commitment.
2. Hot weather.
3. Funny-sounding languages.
4. A few bad apples.
5. A light at the end of the tunnel.
6. A backward people living centuries behind the times that don't know or aren't able to comprehend what's good for them (e.g. freedom, liberty, democracy, big screen TVs, Coca-Cola, Orlando-based franchise restaurants, etc.).
7. The liberal media stabbing our troops in the back.
8. A delightful opportunity to advance our military technology under field conditions.
9. Large profits for some of America's most deserving defense contractors.
10. Ultimately, a decisive American victory!!

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

Brother Trent, from whence did you matriculate, if I may be so bold? Your military insight seems to reflect the genius behind the coursework at Pensacola State or Bob Jones, especially at the undergraduate level...

[Trent Harvey, Jr.]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

Here is my resume.

Trent Harvey, Jr., Age 26

November 2005- Present Assistant Undersecretary for Strategic Affairs, US Embassy, Green Zone, Baghdad, Iraq
Responsible for coordinating photo ops, goodwill tours, school painting, and "public relations" efforts.

Prior Experience:
June-October 2005 Internship, US State Department, Washington DC
May-November 2004 Bush-Cheney 2004 Assistant to the Regional Director, Central Virginia
September 2004-June 2005 Secretary, Regent University College Republicans, Virginia Beach, VA
May 2003-August 2003 Amtrak Defunding Project, Center for the American Experiment, Washington DC
June-August 1999 Management Training Program, Hardees Restaurants, Wilmington, NC

Education:
M.A. International Affairs, Regent University, 2005
B.A. Political Science, Liberty University, 2003

Hobbies:
Playing Christian video games, church choir, staying on message, directing disinformation campaigns, making coffee.

[vestal_mastecation (On Moderation)]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

The Philippines ('The Spanish–American War' of 1898) = a war the US could not win. Started by an illegal (according to international law) US led invasion. Rich white capitalists sent in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Filipino women and children) to preserve their business interests. A waste of money and a war based on lies. The Filipino people's right to self determination was destroyed, and their economy. The Philippines is still occupied by US forces, to preserve a pro-US 'democratic' regime, despite protest by the people.

Vietnam ('The Vietnam War' of 1959 to 1975) = a war the US could not win. Started by an illegal (according to international law) US led invasion. Rich white capitalists sent in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Vietnamese women and children) to preserve their business interests. A waste of money and a war based on lies. The Vietnamese people's right to self determination was destroyed, and their economy. Vietnam is still occupied by US forces, to preserve a pro-US 'democratic' regime, despite protest by the people.

Iraq ('The Third Gulf War' of 2003 to present) = a war the US cannot win. Started by an illegal (according to international law) US led invasion. Rich white capitalists sending in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Iraqi women and children) to preserve their business interests. A waste of money and a war based on lies. The Iraqi people's right to self determination was destroyed, and their economy. Iraq is still occupied by US forces, to preserve a pro-US 'democratic' regime, despite protest by the people.

A pattern emerging here?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

Rich white capitalists sent in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Filipino women and children) to preserve their business interests.

If this is a dig at how I ingeniously counted the costs of my Filipino wife as a business expense on my tax forms, it's out of order. Even poor Americans, of any skin color, can afford a Filipino wife.

Vietnam is still occupied by US forces, to preserve a pro-US 'democratic' regime,

Even in my current sleep deprived state, I still caught that outrageous marxist lie. The US has no bases in Vietnam, and the closest 'pro-US' government in the area was the Khmer Rouge, which fought at war AGAINST vietnam. We would still support the Khmer Rouge today if the cowardly surrender-monkeys hadn't given up (not doubt the legacy of French colonialism).

[Brother Temperance]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

The Philippines ('The Spanish–American War' of 1898) = a war the US could not win. Started by an illegal (according to international law) US led invasion. Rich white capitalists sent in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Filipino women and children) to preserve their business interests. A waste of money and a war based on lies. The Filipino people's right to self determination was destroyed, and their economy. The Philippines is still occupied by US forces, to preserve a pro-US 'democratic' regime, despite protest by the people.

So in what way did we not win? I'd say we won that one fair and square.

Vietnam ('The Vietnam War' of 1959 to 1975) = a war the US could not win. Started by an illegal (according to international law) US led invasion.

What, so you claim that the foreign presence in Vietnam started with US troops? You communists aren't very good at history.

Rich white capitalists sent in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Vietnamese women and children) to preserve their business interests. A waste of money and a war based on lies. The Vietnamese people's right to self determination was destroyed, and their economy.

Was the USA's right to self-determination destroyed, or its economy? No, so I'd say we can chalk up another one for the good old US of A.

Iraq ('The Third Gulf War' of 2003 to present) = a war the US cannot win. Started by an illegal (according to international law) US led invasion. Rich white capitalists sending in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Iraqi women and children) to preserve their business interests. A waste of money and a war based on lies. The Iraqi people's right to self determination was destroyed, and their economy. Iraq is still occupied by US forces, to preserve a pro-US 'democratic' regime, despite protest by the people.

A pattern emerging here?

Yes, you blindly spewing out anti-American propaganda. Get thee back to North Korea, Satan!

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

The Philippines ('The Spanish–American War' of 1898) = a war the US could not win. Started by an illegal (according to international law) US led invasion. Rich white capitalists sent in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Filipino women and children) to preserve their business interests. A waste of money and a war based on lies. The Filipino people's right to self determination was destroyed, and their economy. The Philippines is still occupied by US forces, to preserve a pro-US 'democratic' regime, despite protest by the people.

Vietnam ('The Vietnam War' of 1959 to 1975) = a war the US could not win. Started by an illegal (according to international law) US led invasion. Rich white capitalists sent in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Vietnamese women and children) to preserve their business interests. A waste of money and a war based on lies. The Vietnamese people's right to self determination was destroyed, and their economy. Vietnam is still occupied by US forces, to preserve a pro-US 'democratic' regime, despite protest by the people.

Iraq ('The Third Gulf War' of 2003 to present) = a war the US cannot win. Started by an illegal (according to international law) US led invasion. Rich white capitalists sending in poor white people and poor black people to murder poor Asians (Iraqi women and children) to preserve their business interests. A waste of money and a war based on lies. The Iraqi people's right to self determination was destroyed, and their economy. Iraq is still occupied by US forces, to preserve a pro-US 'democratic' regime, despite protest by the people.

A pattern emerging here?

There is nothing 'illegal' about killing faithless sinners. Our money is emblazoned with the inscription "In God We Trust" and we are a sovereign country. We can invade any other country God wants us to and kill whoever we want. So shut up.

[Wash O'Hanley]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

Sorry but no War is illegal when it is being lead by our conservative President. Perhaps you forgot but President Bush answers to God, not to a bunch of whiny communists in the Senate. As long as our President is doing God's work any U.S.-lead crusade like "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and "Pepsi Presents: Bush Academy- Mission to Iran 2009" is both legal and necessary.

[Daisy Mae Johnson]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

Sorry but no War is illegal when it is being lead by our conservative President. Perhaps you forgot but President Bush answers to God, not to a bunch of whiny communists in the Senate. As long as our President is doing God's work any U.S.-lead crusade like "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and "Pepsi Presents: Bush Academy- Mission to Iran 2009" is both legal and necessary.

GLORY! and here is MY message for the towel headed homers!

[Marshall]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

I was looking over this thread and the only similarity I see is that the hippies are turning America against it's military during a time of war just like they did during the Viet Nam conflict.
We are certainly winning against the ignorant and evil forces of darkness in Iraq and the rest of Earths anus, but here at home the Liberals have waged an all out assault on the people through the Lefts total control of the Liberal Mainstream Media. They refuse to report the good news and only concentrate on OUR losses! What a load of hooey! There have been hundreds of thousands of filthy Hajis and sympathizers killed in this conflict, but the Media seems fixated on the tiny number of US dead. In a war, 5000 in 5 years is a great ratio, this is way beyond a good number.
America lost more soldiers in 30 minutes on D Day than we have in 5 years of fighting Mohammeds retards.

During Viet Nam, the hippies and the Leftists did the exact same thing, undermining the war effort and ultimately losing the war not on a real scale, but on a political one. The Senators and Congressmen who are involved in this act of sedition should be rounded up and...well, something done to them. Something bad.

Jesus hates Democrats and hippies.

[Buford T Scoggins]

Re: What do Iraq and Vietnam have in common?

In both Vietnam and Iraq, the grateful local citizens threw rose petals at the feet of our troops as we liberated them. I know that because I heard it from a caller on Rush Limbaugh's show. You can't find a more credible source than that.