[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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"I want to make money, but I don't want to work for it."

I can believe that about you. You think Jesus wants us to be saved, but he doesn't care if we do what is required to become saved.

More to the point, Jesus wants you, ultimately, to be saved. Although believing is a requirement, he doesn't simply want you to believe. Again, only belief after questioning of your beliefs is meaningful.

Please learn to read and comprehend. Who here has ever said that Jesus wanted us to believe, and only to believe?

If Jesus wants us to be saved, and belief is required for salvation, then Jesus necessarily wants us to believe.

If Jesus "doesn't simply want you to believe", then, if belief is required for salvation, it necessarily follows that Jesus "doesn't simply want you to be saved".

However, your argument is that Jesus wants us to be saved, and belief is required for salvation, but Jesus "doesn't simply want you to believe".

I hope they teach introductory logic courses at your university. Find such a class and take it. You are embarrassing yourself here.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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"I want to make money, but I don't want to work for it."

What are you, some kind of communist? Jesus hates that.

[raylu]

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If Jesus "doesn't simply want you to believe", then, if belief is required for salvation, it necessarily follows that Jesus "doesn't simply want you to be saved".

No. The conclusion "Jesus doesn't simply want you to be saved" doesn't make sense - you are either saved or not saved. This point is rather moot, though.

However, your argument is that Jesus wants us to be saved, and belief is required for salvation, but Jesus "doesn't simply want you to believe".

I don't see why this doesn't make sense.
If Jesus simply wanted you to believe, unconditional acceptance of the beliefs would be fine.
In order to believe in a meaningful way, you must question your beliefs.
Thus, the former sort of belief may or may not save you - I am not sure. I know that the latter is highly preferable, though, since that sort of belief is actually worth something.

[Brother Temperance]

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What are you, some kind of communist? Jesus hates that.

My guess was a negro.

I don't see why this doesn't make sense.
If Jesus simply wanted you to believe, unconditional acceptance of the beliefs would be fine.
In order to believe in a meaningful way, you must question your beliefs.
Thus, the former sort of belief may or may not save you - I am not sure. I know that the latter is highly preferable, though, since that sort of belief is actually worth something.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Little children is the important part in that. Jesus doesn't want questioning and logical thinking, He wants blind, childlike obedience. There's a reason why he keeps on referring to us as His flock, and it's not because sheep are famous for debating the shepherd's authority!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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RaymondLu: you are either saved or not saved.
Amen, and you either believe or you don't believe.

RaymondLu: I don't see why this doesn't make sense.
I believe it. Your have demonstrated a somewhat less than firm grasp of logic in several threads on this board.

RaymondLu: In order to believe in a meaningful way, you must question your beliefs.
This is an unsubstantiated assertion. I'll believe it when you cite scripture that encourages questioning our beliefs.

Brother Temperance, in the post above mine, proves that Jesus expects unquestioning, childlike belief from His followers. John 20:29 also shows that Jesus prefers unquestioning belief.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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"I want to make money, but I don't want to work for it."

That definitely proves you are Ching Lee's cousin. You can't possibly deny it.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Praise Jesus the GOP is consistent with God's desires on the homer question! And that boy Alan Keynes sure knows how to put a sodomite in it's place!!

Notice how even our Godly "second tier" Republicans spin circles around the so-called "leading" Demoncrats on the issue of forced queer marriage. THIS will turn your stomach, and hopefully motivate you to join us in pressing for 8 more years with GWB!

Democratic Candidates Say They're OK With Second-Grade Teacher Reading Gay Prince Fairy Tale

A fairy tale about two princes falling in love sparked a backlash — and a lawsuit — against a teacher and a school last year when it was read to a second-grade class in Massachusetts.

But the three frontrunners in the Democratic presidential race suggested Wednesday night at their debate in New Hampshire that they’d support reading the controversial book to children as part of a school curriculum.

Moderator Tim Russert asked John Edwards, Sen. Bareback Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton whether they’d be comfortable having the story — called “King & King” — read to their children in school.

Edwards gave the first and most definitive answer — a resounding and instant “yes, absolutely” — although he added that it “might be a little tough” for second-graders.

Obama agreed with Edwards and revealed that his wife has already spoken to his 6- and 9-year-old daughters about same-sex marriage.

Clinton said she believes it’s up to parents to decide how to handle such topics, but added that it’s important to teach kids about the “many differences that are in the world.”

“I want my children to understand everything about the difficulties that gay and lesbian couples are faced with every day, the discrimination that they’re faced with every single day of their lives,” Edwards said. “I suspect my two younger children, Emma Claire, who’s 9, and Jack, who’s 7, will reach the same conclusion that my daughter Cate, who’s 25, has reached — which is, she doesn’t understand why her dad is not in favor of same-sex marriage.”

The 2004 vice presidential candidate and former North Carolina senator said he doesn’t want to influence his kids’ opinions about the issue.

“I don’t want to make that decision on behalf of my children,” he said. “I want my children to be able to make that decision on behalf of themselves, and I want them to be exposed to all the information, even in — did you say second grade? Second grade might be a little tough, but even in second grade to be exposed to all those possibilities, because I don’t want to impose my view. Nobody made me God.”

Obama told Russert that his sentiments are similar to those of Edwards, and, when asked whether he’d sat down to talk about same-sex marriage with his young daughters, he replied that his wife had.

“The fact is, my 9-year-old and my 6-year-old I think are already aware that there are same-sex couples,” the Illinois senator told the debate. “One of the things I want to communicate to my children is not to be afraid of people who are different. …. One of the things I think the next president has to do is stop fanning people’s fears. If we spend all our time feeding the American people fear and conflict and division, then they become fearful and conflicted and divided.”

Clinton said she respects the viewpoints of Obama and Edwards, but she sidestepped the question of whether she’d be comfortable having a storybook like “King & King” read to her own child at that age.

“With respect to your individual children, that is such a matter of parental discretion,” Clinton said. “Obviously, it is better to try to … help your children understand the many differences that are in the world. … And that goes far beyond sexual orientation. So I think that this issue of gays and lesbians and their rights will remain an important one in our country.”

Some Lexington, Mass., parents were livid that a Joseph Estabrook Elementary School teacher read “King & King” to their second-grade children in class.

The Dutch tale, which has been translated into English, is about a prince whose mother pressures him to find a princess but who ends up falling in love with and marrying the brother of one of the prospective brides instead.

Last year, a judge dismissed a federal lawsuit brought by two sets of parents of students in the class who objected to the introduction of homosexual themes to their 7-year-olds without alerting them first, on the grounds that it was a violation of the state’s sex-education parental notification clause.

School officials stood by their decision to teach about different kinds of marriage and said that Massachusetts law requires them to do so.

Well isn't that nice? All these liebral God mockers forcing their young children to endorse the sodomite lifestyle? I wish the moderator would have asked them if they want their kids to catch the AIDS too. Or how they'll enjoy watching their children roasted alive and disemboweled in hell.

[lilith]

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"I'd like to remind you that the family preceded the government," Keyes emphasized."


Would this be a good time to point out that the family group also preceded God?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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"I'd like to remind you that the family preceded the government," Keyes emphasized."


Would this be a good time to point out that the family group also preceded God?

I don't follow you. How is that even possible? First there was God (we don't know where HE comes from, but you can bet I'll ask Him once I get Raptured up to Heaven), then He created Adam, THEN He created Eve....and THEN the first family came along. So what you're saying is crazy and evil.