[Joo (Quarantined)]

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what a world, I know.

That's a good song.

[Sister Noddy]

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This was written by a normal person

Originally posted by Unsaved and Loving It:

Last time I checked, Jesus doesn't have the authority in the mortal realm. And your notions of biblical law still aren't here. Zeke, it's time to get your head out of the clouds, and set your feet firmly on the ground. Invisible friends may not forget nor forgive idiocy, but humans do. And surprisingly, I'm thinking they'd even be willing to forgive you. Yeah, what a world, I know.

As for the rest of you ... hmmmm

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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This was written by a normal person


As for the rest of you ... hmmmm

Are you on the drugs, girl? Are you bleeding from your genitals again? No one can understand a thing you say....

Your version of normal differs from God's quite a bit, to put it politely.

[Sister Noddy]

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Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel:

No one can understand a thing you say ... Your version of normal differs from God's quite a bit, to put it politely.

I appreciate your putting that politely to me, Pastor Zeke. I'll do my best to answer in turn.

I thought the quote by Unsaved sounded rational. The subject matter may not live up to your standards of what God wants, but Unsaved is expressing personal views in a rational manner. In fact, many posts by 'unsaved trash' show humanity and intelligence on this forum.

How do you know that many unsaved trash (new visitors-members) aren't already saved in Jesus when they come to this church forum? Do you worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness, Pastor? If you don't, then I don't understand what you say.

To interpret scripture in an absolutely rigid and literal way can present problems in understanding and tolerance. There is another approach to the holy scripture. The Old Testament, which describes the law of the world, may be theologically interpreted by way of 'normative truth' --- and the New Testament, the Gospel of the Good News of Christ, may be understood in theology by way of 'transforming story' ---in any language, and most certainly in English, without changing a single word of the Bible.

You would be surprised --- even amazed --- at how easily the deeper truths of the sacred writings suddenly fall into place and make perfect sense, universally and for everyone.

During His earthly ministry, Jesus welcomed the lost and confused; he welcomed sinners into his midst; he kept company with those less than perfect. Jesus has authority in the spiritual realm, while the law of the world is of the world. Do you welcome strangers into your company, Zeke? If you don't, then I don't understand what you say.

[Richard Cranium]

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Normative truth? Transforming story?

Colossians 1:4-6 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Seems pretty straightforward, I only read the bible and this site, and I don't recall any biblical mention of "normative truth" or "transforming story". There is, however, mention of the TRUTH! If you don't like it, find yourself some Satanic Bible or Book of Mormon or whatever you call it, but believers in the TRUTH will be spending eternity listening to 50 billion harps being played simultaneously, and the voices of billions of the saved (men) singing all at once, the same words, over and over again for eternity. No sex, either. Doesn't sound appealing? Compared to your eternal suffering, instigated and perpetrated by the sweet baby Jesus himself, the eternal wailing and gnashing of teeth, we're going to have it pretty sweet.

Revelation 2:21-23

And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

[Sister Noddy]

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Good, I'm glad you are happy with it.

[Sister Noddy]

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Mr Richard --- I want to add that 'transforming story' and 'normative truth' are not mentioned in the Bible because they are not part of scripture --- they are mechanisms by which holy scripture may be interpreted, and are taught in divinity school to seminary students in process toward holy orders, such as the priesthood or the laity. I am a minister of the laity in the Episcopal Church.

[Brother Temperance]

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Mr Richard --- I want to add that 'transforming story' and 'normative truth' are not mentioned in the Bible because they are not part of scripture --- they are mechanisms by which holy scripture may be interpreted, and are taught in divinity school to seminary students in process toward holy orders, such as the priesthood or the laity.

Oh, so "normative truth" is a mechanism that lets everyone come up with their own private interpretation? What a lovely idea. I wonder what GOD has to say about it. Oh, wait, He's been kind enough to tell us:
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

If the Holy Ghost has moved someone to say something, then take it at face value. Feel free to transform and interpret the Satanic Verses or the Archbishop of Canterbury's beard all you like, but I'd prefer you to leave leave God's Word alone, thank you very much.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Do you welcome strangers into your company, Zeke? If you don't, then I don't understand what you say.

Well its pretty clear that you don't understand much of anything. False Christians such as yourself spend alot of time and energy trying to put a spin on the crystal clarity of God's Holy Word. We follow it literally, and make no apologies for that.

If you scroll up to the top of this page, you will see the words "Unsaved Unwelcome." This is just as Jesus wants it, girl.

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" -- 2 John 1:9-11

We really mean it. Praise Jesus.

[Richard Cranium]

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Amen, Pastor E.

We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men
divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of
heavenly instruction ; that it has God for its author,
salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture of
error for its matter; that it reveals the principles by
which God will judge us; and therefore is, and shall
remain to the end of the world, the true center of
Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all
human conduct, creeds, and opinions should be tried.

Don't know what kind of Satanic principals they teach at the Eco-piss-pal church, but it is not the word of God. Sounds like a hippy homer organization to me. Divinity school? Isn't divinity a type of fudge? They teach you to pack fudge at the eco-piss-pal divinity school? Sure sounds like it, Satan.

[Sister Noddy]

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Oh, so "normative truth" is a mechanism that lets everyone come up with their own private interpretation?

No, that's not what it means, Brother Temperance, it is theological precept for clergy in order to maintain the foundation of scripture-tradition-reason in our church, and to celebrate the Liturgy of the Word which is central to the Holy Eucharist ---

--- but I suppose that in your view, we Anglicans-Episcopalians are doomed and bound for an eternity in hell, doggie-paddling the lakes of satan's fire, right alongside the Queen of England and the Archbishop of Canterbury, yes?

Don't know what kind of Satanic principals they teach at the Eco-piss-pal church, but ---

--- but your comment sounds rude to me, Mr Richard C ... then of course you are entitled to your opinion.

If you scroll up to the top of this page, you will see the words "Unsaved Unwelcome." This is just as Jesus wants it, girl.

Pastor Zeke, I read your church's disclaimer-terms-of-service and many other pages of your website before I registered on this forum, and so had a pretty good idea what your church is about from the beginning. However I must have missed the 'Unsaved Unwelcome, Even on Easter Sunday!' page, and the ... um ... sermon given by your esteemed Pastor Deacon Fred. I appreciate that you have posted the link. Yes it all comes clear now, this has answered some questions for me.

Are you on the drugs, girl? Are you bleeding from your genitals again?

Just one more thing for now, Pastor Zeke --- do you realize you are speaking to an older lady, married with grown children and grandchildren? Where I come from, mention of a lady's menstruation is considered rude (an understatement here) in polite society.

In my introduction post elsewhere on the board, I made no attempt to disguise myself or what I believe, and mentioned that some sinner-bashing has never stopped me, and it won't stop me this time either. I enjoy reading and posting, but have no interest in gaining privileges on your forum, or in associating with pastors or members on a more personal level, so being confined to the unsaved trash usergroup doesn't bother me.

[Brother Temperance]

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No, that's not what it means, Brother Temperance, it is theological precept for clergy in order to maintain the foundation of scripture-tradition-reason in our church, and to celebrate the Liturgy of the Word which is central to the Holy Eucharist ---

--- but I suppose that in your view, we Anglicans-Episcopalians are doomed and bound for an eternity in hell, doggie-paddling the lakes of satan's fire, right alongside the Queen of England and the Archbishop of Canterbury, yes?

What's your take on sodomitical "marriage"?

Just one more thing for now, Pastor Zeke --- do you realize you are speaking to an older lady, married with grown children and grandchildren? Where I come from, mention of a lady's menstruation is considered rude (an understatement here) in polite society.

Do you think Leviticus 15 is rude, you backwards witch?

[Sister Noddy]

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What's your take on sodomitical "marriage"?

Are you asking me what I think of gay marriage, Brother? ---

We are all well aware of the gay marriage issue ravaging the Anglican Church these days, and my own personal opinion on gay relationships and gay 'marriage' is disapproval.

In my view, two men together or two women together is unnatural and against the scripture. Heterosexual is the way to go, as God meant human beings to procreate.

Do you think Leviticus 15 is rude, you backwards witch?

Just because something has been recorded in the Bible, specifically the Old Testament, and having to do with history, society and God's law, doesn't mean that it's acceptable to insult a woman in the modern day, and in public or on a public forum about her body and bodily functions ---

--- and is the 'backwards witch' part of your comment really necessary to get your point across?

[Brother Temperance]

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Are you asking me what I think of gay marriage, Brother? ---

We are all well aware of the gay marriage issue ravaging the Anglican Church these days, and my own personal opinion on gay relationships and gay 'marriage' is disapproval.

Then why do you remain in a Church that does the Devil's work?

In my view, two men together or two women together is unnatural and against the scripture. Heterosexual is the way to go, as God meant human beings to procreate.

And how do you believe that unnatural acts should be punished?

Just because something has been recorded in the Bible, specifically the Old Testament, and having to do with history, society and God's law, doesn't mean that it's acceptable to insult a woman in the modern day, and in public or on a public forum about her body and bodily functions ---

It's a good deal more acceptable than posting in a public forum while suffering from temporary insanity brought on by bleeding genitalia!

--- and is the 'backwards witch' part of your comment really necessary to get your point across?

If the point is that you're a backwards witch, then yes.

[Sister Noddy]

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Then why do you remain in a Church that does the Devil's work?

Are you from England, Brother Temperance?

If so, then surely you must be somewhat familiar with the Church of England. Do you honestly believe the CE is a church of the devil's work? We don't think so. The Episcopal Church of the USA has its roots of descendancy in the CE ---

--- I remain in my Diocese and local Parish because we have a stunningly beautiful liturgy; because we are a liturgical church, yet without having to answer to the Roman Catholic Pope, with whom we do not agree on certain doctrine.

And how do you believe that unnatural (homosexual) acts should be punished?

We accept everyone in our church. Many of us don't approve of the lifestyle of gays, but still consider them human beings, with a chance for salvation. We leave salvation --- and judgement --- up to God.

I'm skipping the rest of your post, Brother, if you don't mind --- enough said