[BelieverInGod]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

This is sick. If you are real Christians, god-haters that made up a genuine website, or anything in between this topic is not humorous or entertaining whatsoever. Making light of a serious issue that people face and supporting it by taking the bible out of context and posting it anywhere as a joke or whatever you are intending; destroys my faith in humanity.

Go read Deuteronomy 22 yourself and explain how we took it out of context.

As for the rest of your post, you're not really making sense. That's usually a sign of demon possession. They get so enraged by being in proximity of our website that they turn the posesee into a gibbering idiot.

[blindrun]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

This is sick. If you are real Christians, god-haters that made up a fake website, or anything in between this topic is not humorous or entertaining whatsoever. Making light of a serious issue that people face and supporting it by taking the bible out of context and posting it anywhere as a joke or whatever you are intending; destroys my faith in humanity.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Why Women Get Raped...

Note the operative phrase here: "Because she cried not" - clearly this is a reference to consensual sex, whereas in the very next verse:

So which is more important, the location? Or whether or not she cried out? Also it doesn't say consensual sex. Police and femnazi's tell women to just lay there and take it. To shut their eyes and pretend it isn't happening.

Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her."

THIS is a reference to rape, when a man "force her and lie with her", when she "cried, and there was none to save her"- this is the very DEFINITION of rape.

Yes it say's if she is in a field. This is also discussing a betrothed woman, not a virgin.

A woman alone in a field is probably working her husband/fathers property, so she is being Godly. What is a woman doing alone in a city? What frat party did she decide to go to "for fun"?

You "Christians" wield Bible quotes like swords and holding His book like a shield that exonerates you from questioning.

Who are you to think that you can question God? You know better than Him?

You expect nobody to know better, but maybe if you actually understood the true message of Jesus -compassion and love for others- you would be brave enough to stand up against the people around you and admit to have read your words contradicted a single verse later. The Lord condemns rapists and supports the VICTIMS (because they ARE victims): "There is in the damsel no sin worthy of death."

You're cherry picking one line out of a whole chapter. What happens to the woman who cries out in the city and isn't heard?

Also, notice that there are no women here in agreement with you.

Well lets see, this is my second post on this page, Handmaiden is on this page and so is Sister Mary Maria. Perhaps you need help in your reading comprehension?

Because men are the ones doing the raping, naturally they would protect their supposed "right" to do so. Would any of you rape a girl you saw dressed promiscuously? Would you personally? Think about why not for a second. Have compassion and follow the word of Christ as He intended them.

Why do you hate men so much? Why would you send a girl out into the world dressed promiscuously? Do you think a father (man) wants to see his daughter raped? And again, who are you to decide that what God says in the Bible isn't what God means?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Why Women Get Raped...

Also, notice that there are no women here in agreement with you.

Why would we NOT agree with God and His Word?

[YouMisuseMyGod]

Re: Why Women Get Raped...

Deuteronomy 22:23-24: If a damsel [that is] a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, [being] in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

Note the operative phrase here: "Because she cried not" - clearly this is a reference to consensual sex, whereas in the very next verse:

Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her."

THIS is a reference to rape, when a man "force her and lie with her", when she "cried, and there was none to save her"- this is the very DEFINITION of rape. You "Christians" wield Bible quotes like swords and holding His book like a shield that exonerates you from questioning. You expect nobody to know better, but maybe if you actually understood the true message of Jesus -compassion and love for others- you would be brave enough to stand up against the people around you and admit to have read your words contradicted a single verse later. The Lord condemns rapists and supports the VICTIMS (because they ARE victims): "There is in the damsel no sin worthy of death."

Also, notice that there are no women here in agreement with you. Because men are the ones doing the raping, naturally they would protect their supposed "right" to do so. Would any of you rape a girl you saw dressed promiscuously? Would you personally? Think about why not for a second. Have compassion and follow the word of Christ as He intended them.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

According to the Book of Judges, it is alright for a man to commit rape if he really needs to:

Judges 10:21-22
21And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.
22And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.

[handmaiden]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

Hi people. Am I gay just because I'm european? Hell no. Anyway, what I was saying. MY ENORMOUS ***!!! (continuing the legacy) Oh, btw, I'm not really a christian. I just wanted to piss you mother-piffleers off. I succeeded.

Funny, I feel pity rather than pissed. There are also undercurrents of wry amusement, and a soucon of smugness because I can deliver a withering retort without resorting to profanity.

Of course, there's always that special glow that comes with being Saved.

Unruffledly Yours,

Handmaiden

[BelieverInGod]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

Okay, could you quote scripture that explains how God accounted for the things I just mentioned? Does he say at any point specifically that in an armed rape it is better for the woman to be stabbed and potentially die?
Or what happens if she cries out in a city but it's in an alleyway by a busy road and no-one hears her? Or if the attacker breaks into her house and no-one can hear her screams through the walls?
Thank you

You still haven't cracked open Deuteronomy 22, have you.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022&version=KJV

23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Basically, woman in city = guilty, woman in field = innocent. oh and if she dies in a struggle to save her dignity, well then I think that would be a good thing if she was a True Christian(TM) because then she'd be going to the arms of Jesus.

Not that True Christian(TM) women get raped, because as this thread originally was trying to point out. Women who dress modestly and don't put themselves in risky positions don't tend to get raped.

[Sparky]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

God accounted for EVERTHING, He knows and sees all. As we speak Jesus is reading your post, and He is not happy with you!

Okay, could you quote scripture that explains how God accounted for the things I just mentioned? Does he say at any point specifically that in an armed rape it is better for the woman to be stabbed and potentially die?
Or what happens if she cries out in a city but it's in an alleyway by a busy road and no-one hears her? Or if the attacker breaks into her house and no-one can hear her screams through the walls?
Thank you

[James Dewitt]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

Clearly God didn't account for background noise in the city, or the fact that the attacker might be armed? Or covering the girl's mouth, as you suggested.
And yeah actually, I do like to think for myself

God accounted for EVERTHING, He knows and sees all. As we speak Jesus is reading your post, and He is not happy with you!

[Sparky]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

This forum, Sparky, is based on clear-eyed, uncompromising logic.

It is your own, self-deluded abilty to rationalize that is keeping you for seeing this.

As I mentioned before, God is very concerned on the issue of property rights. That line about "humbling" the neighbor's wife doesn't really indicate that God is concerned with the damsel/wife's feelings of self-worth here; because she's being stoned to death. The point is that the neighbor -- in this case, the man who was expecting a virgin bride -- has been humbled and denied the purity of his bride so that he could be certain that the resulting offspring were his and no one else's and thus his property could be passed down with confidence.

Over and over throughout God's Holy Word He wisely makes provision for these sorts of eventualities. God knows that any girl who gets "forced" in the city asked for it. All she had to do was cry out and someone would have helped. If she didn't cry out-- she's culpable.


But hey, if you want to belong to the whole "thinking-for-yourself" crew and ask questions about whether or not a girl's attacker might cover her mouth to prevent her from screaming, go ahead-- risk going to hell for questioning God's Word.

Clearly God didn't account for background noise in the city, or the fact that the attacker might be armed? Or covering the girl's mouth, as you suggested.
And yeah actually, I do like to think for myself

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

there is nothing logical about this forum either

I can see why you say that as your own illogical postings are part of this forum. However, I assure you all postings by True Christians(tm) on this forum are very logical.

[handmaiden]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

As you well know, it's the not the Bible I'm calling a joke, but the interpretation that girls deserve to be raped.
And there is nothing logical about this forum either.

This forum, Sparky, is based on clear-eyed, uncompromising logic.

It is your own, self-deluded abilty to rationalize that is keeping you for seeing this.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 Makes God's position very clear:

"If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city and lie with her;

Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones until they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbor's wife. . ."

As I mentioned before, God is very concerned on the issue of property rights. That line about "humbling" the neighbor's wife doesn't really indicate that God is concerned with the damsel/wife's feelings of self-worth here; because she's being stoned to death. The point is that the neighbor -- in this case, the man who was expecting a virgin bride -- has been humbled and denied the purity of his bride so that he could be certain that the resulting offspring were his and no one else's and thus his property could be passed down with confidence.

Over and over throughout God's Holy Word He wisely makes provision for these sorts of eventualities. God knows that any girl who gets "forced" in the city asked for it. All she had to do was cry out and someone would have helped. If she didn't cry out-- she's culpable.

God is not stupid; He knows that a girl in the country can't count on nearby rescuers, so He lets her off the hook.

It's very simple, and very logical-- If you read the whole Bible.

But hey, if you want to belong to the whole "thinking-for-yourself" crew and ask questions about whether or not a girl's attacker might cover her mouth to prevent her from screaming, go ahead-- risk going to hell for questioning God's Word.

The Christians I know have read Deuteronomy and respect its authority.

Maybe you know some folks who prefer "Bible-lite" because it's got one third fewer requirements for following the Lord and it goes down easier than the "hard" stuff.

And getting back to the logic argument-- there is absolutely nothing logical about insisting that you follow a holy text because it was given to you by your deity and then turning around and deciding that you can ignore that parts you don't like and assuming the your deity is "okay" with that.

Firmly,
Handmaiden

[Sparky]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

What's this word "neolithic" that you use? Does the Bible use this term? The Bible is "monotheist" in its perspective, and nothing in its pages is "ridiculous" as in being merely dismissed as a joke.

Dismissing the Bible as a joke is foolish and kind of sadistic, if you ask me. Do you think that Jesus' suffering on the cross is a joke? Or do think that God's commandment that a man should pay a father the appropriate price after forcibly taking the father's daughter's virginity is a joke? God doesn't kid around when it comes to protecting a man's property rights. Don't you feel anything for the father's position in such situations?

Social order as we know it would fall apart if people started just laughing at the Bible instead of using it to direct their actions. Do YOU want to live in a world where the Bible is NOT the be all standard for righteousness?!

Stop threatening to "knock some sense" into the only people in the world who want to take following the Bible to its logical conclusion.

Righteously Yours,

Handmaiden

As you well know, it's the not the Bible I'm calling a joke, but the interpretation that girls deserve to be raped. I think this is obvious from my comments.
Social order would not fall apart- we still have laws, remember.
And there is nothing logical about this forum either
Not-so- righteously yours,
Sparky

[handmaiden]

Re: ATTENTION SLUTS! Why women get raped

It is literally such a ridiculous, neolithic view that I want to fly over and knock some sense into you.

What's this word "neolithic" that you use? Does the Bible use this term? The Bible is "monotheist" in its perspective, and nothing in its pages is "ridiculous" as in being merely dismissed as a joke.

Dismissing the Bible as a joke is foolish and kind of sadistic, if you ask me. Do you think that Jesus' suffering on the cross is a joke? Or do think that God's commandment that a man should pay a father the appropriate price after forcibly taking the father's daughter's virginity is a joke? God doesn't kid around when it comes to protecting a man's property rights. Don't you feel anything for the father's position in such situations?

Social order as we know it would fall apart if people started just laughing at the Bible instead of using it to direct their actions. Do YOU want to live in a world where the Bible is NOT the be all standard for righteousness?!

Stop threatening to "knock some sense" into the only people in the world who want to take following the Bible to its logical conclusion.

Righteously Yours,

Handmaiden