ABORTION QUESTION: IS IT OK TO ABORT RETARD BABIES??

[Brother_Percy]

ABORTION QUESTION: IS IT OK TO ABORT RETARD BABIES??

Friends,

We all know what the Bible says about Abortion - It is Murder!

Exodus 21:22-23
22If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

Proverbs 6:16-17
17God hates.... a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Yes, God hates abortionists, and people whom encourage abortion.

HOWEVER, when the unborn baby in question is a retarded, can the abortion be justified? Let us look at what the Bible says about children who bring shame to their parents, because let's face it, there's nothing more shameful and embarrassing than having a retard-child!

Proverbs 23:23-26
Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding. He that begetteth a wise child shall have joy of him. Thy father and thy mother shall be glad, and she that bare thee shall rejoice. My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyes observe my ways.


Proverbs 19:13
A foolish son is the calamity of his father

The Bible can't be clearer on this - a foolish son is the calamity of his father, and gives his parents no joy! Therefore he MUST be punished!

Proverbs 19:26,29
He that wasteth his father, and chaseth away his mother, is a son that causeth shame, and bringeth reproach. Judgments are prepared for scorners, and stripes for the back of fools.

Proverbs 22:15
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Proverbs 23:9,13-14
Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words. Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from Hell.

Yes, the first course of action is beatings - but no amount of beatings can make a retard child into a 'normal' child. Yes, a retard child will always be a retard! Therefore, there is only one course of action to be taken -

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

The only question is, should we tear out the retard-baby before it's birth, or do we wait until it's born, take it out the city, and smash it's repulsive spastic head in with rocks?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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ABORTION QUESTION: IS IT OK TO ABORT RETARD BABIES??

The only question is, should we tear out the retard-baby before it's birth, or do we wait until it's born, take it out the city, and smash it's repulsive spastic head in with rocks?

Brother, this is very simple and is covered thoroughly in the Bible. When a baby is born SOMETHING must be killed. A priest must kill a lamb, pigeon or dove as a sin offering and the woman is unclean...even JESUS' mother was unclean after His Immaculate birth.

But there are conditions under which GOD allows the parents to toss the baby down a well (or whatever). The first is the 'thirty day clause'. Leviticus 27:6 says that children are worth nothing until they are a month old, so that would include unborn children.

Numbers 3:15 confirms this by ordering a census, but tells the JOOS not to count anyone less than a month old.

I don't want to get on the wrong side of the abortion issue here, but in JESUS' time, over half of the live births died before age one and the cost of raising a child was high, so the family got a one-month free-trial. If the baby was ugly or retarded, or for no reason at all, they could just take it out back and bash it's brains out on a rock or give it to a passing band of gypsies for supper.

The Bible says quite clearly in Exekiel 37:8-10 that God reanimated bones into soldiers, but they weren't alive until they drew their first breath. In Genesis 2:7 Adam is only 'alive' after God makes him breathe.

Genesis 38:24. A pregnant woman is condemned to death by burning. Her child is not counted as a person because it has not yet been born. That is to say, it has not yet drawn a breath. This is GOD's clear definition of 'alive'.

Brother, even the passage you quote, Exodus 21:22-23 specifically say "if two men strive'. Which means if two men are fighting and one's wife gets kicked upside the belly and loses her fruit, it's a civil matter, not murder. There is a little fine involved and that's it.

So. Between the age of one month and five years, a live boy is worth 5 shekels. Maybe fifty bucks in today's money. A girl between the age of one month and five years is worth three shekels. After age five, the parents can sell them for whatever the going rate is.

But my point, from which I digressed, is that if a baby is born and the parents don't like it, they have thirty days to return it to God without any punishment except the sin offering they made when it was born.

After that, the price is fixed for five years. However, there is no penalty if ANY child of any age backsasses or is disobedient to a parent. Then the whole community must come out and stone the little ingrate to death free of charge.

[Nobar King]

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I thought you were SUPPOSED to abort retarded babies. Who wants one of those hanging around your whole life?

[Mistress Cookie]

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I don't want to get on the wrong side of the abortion issue here...But my point...is that if a baby is born and the parents don't like it, they have thirty days to return it to God without any punishment except the sin offering they made when it was born.

Pastor, if I may say, I think this is something you've very wisely illustrated for us, here.

Part of the reason "abortion" is wrong is that you don't know what you're throwing away!

The thing to do is have the baby, take stock, and go from there. You do have that 30-day out, so we shouldn't risk depleting our stock of the strong ones.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

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I thought you were SUPPOSED to abort retarded babies. Who wants one of those hanging around your whole life?

Oh LORD, NO!!! Agreeing with abortion is crazy talk. The baby must be born and nurtured and all the elders shall pass before it and view it. THEN you can kill it.

Otherwise you don't know what sin to blame on the mother for making it come out like that. That's why abortion is illegal and immoral. Women will tryst with SATAN and run off to have an abortion so you don't see the hoofed demons they spawn.

EDIT: Mistress Cookie clearly has a firm grasp of the situation and makes my point beautifully! If you don't look, you don't know whatcha got.

[Mr. Jingles]

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Quite often, parents are unaware that their child is retarded until it's too late. After that, it is their Christian duty to keep the little dummy locked in a closet most of the time. And heaven forbid they think their offspring tard is 'special in God's eyes' or 'deserves to be treated like anyone else.' That's something only Barack Obama would say.

[Mrs. Rogers]

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Agreeing with abortion is crazy talk

Indeed, Pastor, but I feel the word "abortion" has been unfairly maligned. Abortion needs to be honoured, to be given back to God, who is the Great Abortionist. The LORD makes many ladies pregnant, and then changes His mind; this, of course, is known as miscarriage, a wishy-washy word which implies that a woman's mucky reproductive bits have some power over whether a baby is carried to term or not. Perhaps "miscarriage" would be better suited to describing the act of leaving one's baby on the bus?

[Mistress Cookie]

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Indeed, Pastor, but I feel the word "abortion" has been unfairly maligned. Abortion needs to be honoured, to be given back to God, who is the Great Abortionist. The LORD makes many ladies pregnant, and then changes His mind; this, of course, is known as miscarriage, a wishy-washy word which implies that a woman's mucky reproductive bits have some power over whether a baby is carried to term or not.

So true, Sister Rogers. Some in the medical "profession" call this a spontaneous abortion.

And yet, our Lord does nothing "spontaneously"; it's all carefully thought out.

So we do need a new word or phrase. Maybe "God's Abortions"? (And also remove the word suffer; We would not say "She suffered one of God's Abortions.")

[Jerome]

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Well what if it's a dead fetus? Maybe then you abort and try again.

However if it's mentally retarded well then deal with it. Your the one who wanted a child.

[SedateYourHate]

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No, of course it's not okay to abort mentally challenged babies! They are still people, they still have their innocence, give them a chance in this world, too.

[Mr. Jingles]

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No, of course it's not okay to abort mentally challenged babies! They are still people, they still have their innocence, give them a chance in this world, too.

Oh, sure, give them a chance to droll & spit their food everywhere-a great idea, Forrest Gump.

[SedateYourHate]

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Oh, sure, give them a chance to droll & spit their food everywhere-a great idea, Forrest Gump.

Stupid is as stupid does.

But seriously, God created them too, right?

[Brother Temperance]

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So we do need a new word or phrase. Maybe "God's Abortions"? (And also remove the word suffer; We would not say "She suffered one of God's Abortions.")

I think the word suffer is completely appropriate. God sometimes likes to make people suffer, it's just one of the things He does. We shouldn't try and hide the fact that God likes to cause people to suffer excruciating, intolerable pain, or apologise for it, we should just face the fact that it's a God thing, so we don't understand.

No, of course it's not okay to abort mentally challenged babies! They are still people, they still have their innocence, give them a chance in this world, too.

You sound like a hippy. You'll be telling us that it's wrong to kill Muslims next.

But seriously, God created them too, right?

God created baby cows, but that doesn't mean He doesn't want us to turn them into veal. He created sodomites, but that doesn't mean He's not saving a place in Hell for them.

[Brother_Percy]

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No, of course it's not okay to abort mentally challenged babies! They are still people.

That's the funniest thing I've heard all evening! You CAN'T be serious? Retards are people too!?? You're funny, Sedate!

NO! I don't think so! Retards are slobbering stammering stuttering piecies of excrement. An abomination to God. They are a burden on our economy. They are a burden on the poor mothers who bore them, though I have no doubt those mothers must have done something to deserve such deformed repulsive babies. They were probably whores, fornicators, alcoholics, wiccans, satanists, losers, junkies, homosexuals or Jews to have been cursed with twisted limbless demon children like that.

You would never catch a True Christian giving birth to one of these defective mongeloid monsters. Have you not read our 101 REASONS WHY GOD HATES SPASTICS! Thread ?

[Mistress Cookie]

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I think the word suffer is completely appropriate. God sometimes likes to make people suffer, it's just one of the things He does. We shouldn't try and hide the fact that God likes to cause people to suffer excruciating, intolerable pain, or apologise for it, we should just face the fact that it's a God thing.

True-er words were never spoke, Brother Temperance.

I'm sorry, I keep finding myself slipping back into trying to "bargain" with God, or "understand" Him, when of course it is not Man's (or certainly woman's) place to do either.