[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

If he offered to fix my car by taking swings at it with a sledge hammer, yeah, I'd refuse his help.

and if you car needed body work would demand the repair man be gentle?

Or look at it another way, if you had cancer how else would expect the doctor to save you besides cutting you open to remove the tumor? Jesus is the doctor to your soul and it is going to require some pain to cure you of your illness.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

Well said, brothers.

If he offered to fix my car by taking swings at it with a sledge hammer, yeah, I'd refuse his help.

And here's another car parable..
If you were stuck in your car, and it was on fire, would you want those trying to get you out of it, to try and make sure the car stays intact:
Even though it is utterly pointless and it would cost you your life?

Without Jesus to help you out, the fire of sin will soon consume you, and land you in hell, where very literal flames will consume you;
And it will last forever! Pain in this world however, is temporary.


That car is satan's hold on you & your vile body, keeping you shut inside, sinful and unclean.
The flames are the sin that will consume you and lead to your demise.
Only by breaking free of the car, can you escape the flames.

And only Jesus can get you out of this car! Only he can remove satan's hold over you!
Please accept Him before it is too late!

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

And here's another car parable..
If you were stuck in your car, and it was on fire, would you want those trying to get you out of it, to try and make sure the car stays intact:
Even though it is utterly pointless and it would cost you your life?

Without Jesus to help you out, the fire of sin will soon consume you, and land you in hell, where very literal flames will consume you;
And it will last forever! Pain in this world however, is temporary.


That car is satan's hold on you & your vile body, keeping you shut inside, sinful and unclean.
The flames are the sin that will consume you and lead to your demise.
Only by breaking free of the car, can you escape the flames.

And only Jesus can get you out of this car! Only he can remove satan's hold over you!
Please accept Him before it is too late!

Sadly, it appears that, if her car were on fire, she would pay good money to a greasy Jewish biker to come round and bolt all the doors shut with big metal bolts, on the grounds that she found them "aesthetically pleasing." Jesus weeps.

[Phoenix Risen]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

and if you car needed body work would demand the repair man be gentle?

Actually, when I have to put my car in the shop, I do tell the mechanic to be creful with her. But my body is not damaged - having someone apply a "fist of love" to it would damage it.

Or look at it another way, if you had cancer how else would expect the doctor to save you besides cutting you open to remove the tumor? Jesus is the doctor to your soul and it is going to require some pain to cure you of your illness.

A doctor does not beat tumors out of patients.

[Phoenix Risen]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

Well said, brothers.



And here's another car parable..
If you were stuck in your car, and it was on fire, would you want those trying to get you out of it, to try and make sure the car stays intact:
Even though it is utterly pointless and it would cost you your life?

Without Jesus to help you out, the fire of sin will soon consume you, and land you in hell, where very literal flames will consume you;
And it will last forever! Pain in this world however, is temporary.

The pain caused by hitting someone is not going to save them from anything.


That car is satan's hold on you & your vile body, keeping you shut inside, sinful and unclean.
The flames are the sin that will consume you and lead to your demise.
Only by breaking free of the car, can you escape the flames.

And only Jesus can get you out of this car! Only he can remove satan's hold over you!
Please accept Him before it is too late!

I don't recall Jesus recommending knocking the sin out of people.

[Enobarbus]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

I don't recall Jesus recommending knocking the sin out of people.

But he does:

Pro 22:15
Foolishness [is] bound in the heart of a child; [but] the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Pro 13:24
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Pro 23:13
Withhold not correction from the child: for [if] thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Pro 23:14
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Pro 26:3
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

A really stubbon and rebellious son should be stoned to death:

Deu 21:18
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and [that], when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

Deu 21:19
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

Deu 21:20
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard.

Deu 21:21
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Weren't you the id person who bit her cat to stop it biting you? You were driving the meaness out of it.

[Enobarbus]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

A doctor does not beat tumors out of patients.

If it was the only way to get rid of the tumour and you'd otherwise die, they would.

We are trying to save you from an eternity of torture -- what is a few minutes or hours, or even a lifetime of pain on earth to compare to that?

If beating you over the head with a shovel is what it took to save your immortal soul from everlasting torment, the sensible and compassionate thing to do would be just that. Think about this before you accuse us of nastiness in the future.

[Phoenix Risen]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

If it was the only way to get rid of the tumour and you'd otherwise die, they would.

We are trying to save you from an eternity of torture -- what is a few minutes or hours, or even a lifetime of pain on earth to compare to that?

If beating you over the head with a shovel is what it took to save your immortal soul from everlasting torment, the sensible and compassionate thing to do would be just that. Think about this before you accuse us of nastiness in the future.

If being beaten over the head with a shovel was the only cure, I'd rather have the disease.
And this woman fights back. I won't start a physical altercation, but I will most definitely finish one.

[Phoenix Risen]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

But he does:

Pro 22:15
Foolishness [is] bound in the heart of a child; [but] the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Pro 13:24
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Pro 23:13
Withhold not correction from the child: for [if] thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Pro 23:14
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Pro 26:3
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

A really stubbon and rebellious son should be stoned to death:

Deu 21:18
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and [that], when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

Deu 21:19
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

Deu 21:20
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard.

Deu 21:21
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Weren't you the id person who bit her cat to stop it biting you? You were driving the meaness out of it.

Deuteronomy was supposedly written by Moses, and Proverbs by Solomon - neitherof those contain the words of Jesus.

As for the cat, she bit me first - I did not bite her pre-emptively, nor did I bite her hard enough to do actual physical harm to her. I communicated the inappropriateness of her action to her in the same way a mother cat does.

[Talitha]

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As for the cat, she bit me first - I did not bite her pre-emptively, nor did I bite her hard enough to do actual physical harm to her. I communicated the inappropriateness of her action to her in the same way a mother cat does.

Did your Cat survive this awful Trauma?
I'm sure PETA would have something to say about that.
You know, even Cats can catch terrible diseases from biting things which are unclean.
I only hope that our beloved Petal doesn't get to hear about such cruelty.

[SalvationSeeker]

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Deuteronomy was supposedly written by Moses, and Proverbs by Solomon - neitherof those contain the words of Jesus.

Nonsense.
God (which is Jesus, John 10:30) spoke through both Moses and Solomon:
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
But holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 Peter 1:21

And what does Jesus Himself say regarding scripture?
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4

^ EVERY WORD of it. And that is also a reference to, guess what? DEUTERONOMY!

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know;
That he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
Deuteronomy 8:3

So a man lives through EVERY word of God, and that clearly includes Deuteronomy and Proverbs.
A Christian lives through Jesus and nothing else, you may say. Correct.
But just what is Jesus then, apart from God and man?

The Word made flesh!
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:14

That's what 1 John 2:4 means..
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:4

The spirit of God is found in His works, His commandments, His Words. Everywhere.
If you deny the Old Testament then you deny Jesus, and you even refuse the words He spoke in person:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:17-18

[MoonFlower]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

Did your Cat survive this awful Trauma?
I'm sure PETA would have something to say about that.
You know, even Cats can catch terrible diseases from biting things which are unclean.
I only hope that our beloved Petal doesn't get to hear about such cruelty.

SHE BIT A CAT?! Ok, let me get this right, Tali. Phoenix bit her cat because she thought that's how the cat's mother would correct the behavior? Uh, I'd hate to break it to her, but no. In the animal world there's ALWAYS a warning (like a hiss or growl) BEFORE any sort of attack. Sometimes, especially with dogs, there could be a silent warning, like a look. If she really wanted to correct the cat's behavior like the mommy kitty would have, she should have growled, hissed, then popped her on the head (claws retracted, of course).


Biting a cat is abuse and should not be ignored. I think we should bring this matter up with Petal.

Moon

[Phoenix Risen]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

SHE BIT A CAT?! Ok, let me get this right, Tali. Phoenix bit her cat because she thought that's how the cat's mother would correct the behavior? Uh, I'd hate to break it to her, but no. In the animal world there's ALWAYS a warning (like a hiss or growl) BEFORE any sort of attack. Sometimes, especially with dogs, there could be a silent warning, like a look. If she really wanted to correct the cat's behavior like the mommy kitty would have, she should have growled, hissed, then popped her on the head (claws retracted, of course).


Biting a cat is abuse and should not be ignored. I think we should bring this matter up with Petal.

Moon

Moon, please calm down. It was not a step I wanted to take. She had nipped other people before, we had tried thumping her on the nose, and she didn't get the message. Biting her back was the only thing that worked. And I made sure not to break the skin or leave a bruise. A quick nip on the tip of her ear was it, and it got the point across.

[Sista Lateefah]

Re: Helping Kiki become a True Christian™

Moon, please calm down. It was not a step I wanted to take. She had nipped other people before, we had tried thumping her on the nose, and she didn't get the message. Biting her back was the only thing that worked.

Does you eat Christian babies in the same way you eats them po' cats? Is you a chink?

[Phoenix Risen]

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Does you eat Christian babies in the same way you eats them po' cats? Is you a chink?

I did not eat the cat. I nipped her on the ear. Big difference.

And no, I do not eat people.

A chink is a small gap in a wall or fence, usually caused by adjacent edges of either wooden panels or bricks not fitting flush with each other, and not being mortared, plastered, or otherwise filled in. No, I am not a hole in a wall.