[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Army = murderers?

Wait, what...

Was there some sort of Saul-to-Paul conversion thing there that I missed? Any sudden bright lights, coup de foudre, burning bushes, jewel in the lotus, toads bearing humanism like a silver minnow in their mouths?

Are you sure you aren't planning a "Mime for Humanity" event on the Plaza of Universal Feelings, Brother Ahimaaz?

Awaiting your reply with bated (or, like the toad mentioned above, baited) breath.

~~ OEJ

Addendum, later: I'll bet Brother Ahimaaz's account has been hacked. The Ahimaaz I know would never slide into Bible relativism, deny that the Lord is a man of WAR, or organize candlelight vigils (the True Christian(tm) way is to use Purity Sieges and Prayer Warfare).

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Army = murderers?

Moses and King David knew that their war was just and righteous.

Moses and King David lived in different times, and we have to understand their behavior in that light. The Jewish Torah was a great improvement in morality over that of the tribalism that was common at the dawn of civilization. The New Testament was lightyears ahead of the Old Testament, morally, which is why I so admire Jesus. Still, we have made a few moral advancements as a species in the last 2,000 years, so we should view all of this as an ongoing process, not as a perfected whole.

However, those last three men were murderous monsters while Moses and King David were perfectly moral men doing the will of the great and good Lord God.

I am very glad to see that you do not condone genocide, OEJ.

Christian warriors are morally justified and cannot be called murderers, not even when their soldiers bash out infants' brains on the stones (as did the soldiers of Moses).

Nobody who follows the teachings of Christ would bash an infant's brains, on stones or anywhere else.

However, if atheists or Muslims or pagans or (GOD FORBID!) Unitarians do similar things then they are simply low and evil killers who must be brought to justice.

Of course babykillers should be brought to justice. Even the Unitarians. But let us not forget that, without the conditions of poverty, nationalism, and isolationism, there would be far fewer terrorists and warriors in the world. OEJ, you have inspired me to hold a candle-light vigil to protest baby killing and the conditions that lead people to commit such monstrous acts. Thank you.

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Army = murderers?

Well, as Brother Remy implies, Moses and King David knew that their war was just and righteous.

Of course, Stalin undertook to purge the USSR of "enemies of the state" in the firm belief that what he was doing was just and righteous. Pol Pot did what he thought was best for Cambodia. Slobodan Milosevic thought ethnic cleansing was just and righteous as an end to creating a united Serbia.

However, those last three men were murderous monsters while Moses and King David were perfectly moral men doing the will of the great and good Lord God.

So here is the nub of the gist: Christian warriors are morally justified and cannot be called murderers, not even when their soldiers bash out infants' brains on the stones (as did the soldiers of Moses). However, if atheists or Muslims or pagans or (GOD FORBID!) Unitarians do similar things then they are simply low and evil killers who must be brought to justice.

I hope that logic is clear, even to unsaved heathens.

~~ OEJ

[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Army = murderers?

That's the exact same mentality the Crusaders had.

What's your point?

[Sionisx2]

Re: Army = murderers?

How can killing a Mooslime be regarded as Murder?
It's not as though they are actual people or anything.

Our Soldiers are trained to kill the enemy. Our enemy is also the enemy of Jesus.

That's the exact same mentality the Crusaders had.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Army = murderers?

In other words; are True Christians included in the group of 'peaceful and unsespecting people' that the Lord doesn't mind killing (or letting be killed)?

Of course not. Did not the Lord pass over the houses of the Israelites, yet kill the firstborn of the Egyptians? I'm not saying there isn't an occasional slip-up in Iraq, but, thankfully, God can sort that out on the Day of Judgement.

Basically I'm trying to define when taking life is approved by God.

Your question answers itself. The killing is OK when it has been approved by God. It's all right there in the Bible.

[Seeker]

Re: Army = murderers?

Instead of morning the deaths of vicious enemies of FREEDOM® and decency like Islamo-Fascist terrorists you should be celebrating the martyrdom of 4,000 of your’ fellow citizens. It brings tears of pride to my eye that so many otherwise poor and worthless Americans have been allowed to give all they have for the Cause of Christianity®. We can be sure most of them will be remembered by Christ and allowed to stay at the gates of Heaven in the hereafter for their sacrifice.

Very well said. Poor Americans are expendable.

[R-R-R]

Re: Army = murderers?

Peaceful and unsuspecting towelheads.

Jesus approves of us killing His enemies. He approves of us killing His enemies in large quantities. We know this, and so avoid hanging around in large crowds of muslims or atheists. Therefore, if you see a large crowd of such degenerate sinners, it's a safe bet that there won't be any Christians mixed in, and so Jesus would approve of you taking them all out.

Thank you for your clear and definitive answer Brother Temperance.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Army = murderers?

Thank you all for such swift replies. Do I understand correctly if I say the Lord approves with killing in general as long as the 'victims' are the enemies of Jesus? If this is the case, a part of Mister Lebeay does seem confusing.



Jesus is said to have no issue with the deaths of peaceful and unsuespecting people. Could you please elaborate on who this refers to?

Peaceful and unsuspecting towelheads.

I'll have to rephrase my question perhaps. How can you be sure you're not unintentionally killing a True Christian whilst rooting out the sinners that unfortunately appear to be so omnipresent? In other words; are True Christians included in the group of 'peaceful and unsespecting people' that the Lord doesn't mind killing (or letting be killed)?

Jesus approves of us killing His enemies. He approves of us killing His enemies in large quantities. We know this, and so avoid hanging around in large crowds of muslims or atheists. Therefore, if you see a large crowd of such degenerate sinners, it's a safe bet that there won't be any Christians mixed in, and so Jesus would approve of you taking them all out.

[R-R-R]

Re: Army = murderers?

Folks who might appear to be "peaceful and unsuspecting people" may harbor some secret vile perversion.

I'll have to rephrase my question perhaps. How can you be sure you're not unintentionally killing a True Christian whilst rooting out the sinners that unfortunately appear to be so omnipresent? In other words; are True Christians included in the group of 'peaceful and unsespecting people' that the Lord doesn't mind killing (or letting be killed)?

Basically I'm trying to define when taking life is approved by God.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Army = murderers?

Thank you all for such swift replies. Do I understand correctly if I say the Lord approves with killing in general as long as the 'victims' are the enemies of Jesus? If this is the case, a part of Mister Lebeay does seem confusing.



Jesus is said to have no issue with the deaths of peaceful and unsuespecting people. Could you please elaborate on who this refers to?

This is a typical mistake that false Christians make. They want to claim that folks can be Saved by "being nice" or giving a dollar to a hobo on the street, etc. Nothing could be further from the truth, as THIS sermon explains. Anyone who thinks that they might avoid hellfire by tolerating queers or foreigners moving into their neighborhood is just kidding themselves.

But I digress.

It is not up to us to question who Jesus kills or why He does so. Ours is to unquestioningly accept and EMBRACE His loving decision. To question Christ is to take one step closer to the fiery pits of hell. Folks who might appear to be "peaceful and unsuspecting people" may harbor some secret vile perversion. Some queers look normal, for example.

I suggest that you spend more time in prayer and bible study on this issue.

[R-R-R]

Re: Army = murderers?

Thank you all for such swift replies. Do I understand correctly if I say the Lord approves with killing in general as long as the 'victims' are the enemies of Jesus? If this is the case, a part of Mister Lebeay does seem confusing.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus christ has no issue with His soldiers killing peaceful and unspecting people so I doubt He has any issue with His soldiers killing blood thirsty islamozoid terrorists.

Jesus is said to have no issue with the deaths of peaceful and unsuespecting people. Could you please elaborate on who this refers to?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Army = murderers?

Exodus 15:3: The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Army = murderers?

Friend,

Our godly, heroic and expendable soldiers, sailors and marines kill no one. Our enemies kill themselves when they oppose Jesus in the forum of His stewards on Earth, the United States of America. This is known as Christian assisted suicide.

Instead of morning the deaths of vicious enemies of FREEDOM® and decency like Islamo-Fascist terrorists you should be celebrating the martyrdom of 4,000 of your’ fellow citizens. It brings tears of pride to my eye that so many otherwise poor and worthless Americans have been allowed to give all they have for the Cause of Christianity®. We can be sure most of them will be remembered by Christ and allowed to stay at the gates of Heaven in the hereafter for their sacrifice.
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[Remy Lebeau]

Re: Army = murderers?

This is a serious question. Taking lives is a part of a soldier's job, regardless how much he's opposed to killing. Would the Lord still regard soldiers who fight for Him and their country as murderers? Or are there special conditions if you're up against the mudslum scourge for instance?

Thank you,

R-R-R

http://www.thebricktestament.com/judges/massacre_of_the_peaceful_unsuspecting_people/jg18_01-02.html

Our Lord and Savior Jesus christ has no issue with His soldiers killing peaceful and unspecting people so I doubt He has any issue with His soldiers killing blood thirsty islamozoid terrorists.

Number 31
[7] And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
[8] And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
[9] And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
[10] And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
[11] And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
[12] And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
[13] And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
[14] And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

I think are soldiers aren't doing enough killing. Our Lord would have our troops kill the Iraqi women, men, and children; saving the young virgin girls to keep our troops warm at night, of course.

[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.