[Talitha]

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[GodOfLight]

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I totally agree with the above poster. You guys are all just morons. where did this shit about gamers being homos come from. You do realize that the gay term "enemy on your six" is a real military term. You know what they say about people who are constanly finding anything relativly homo like... They are secretly gay themselves. so why dont you homos go fuck yourselves. I have been playing video games since i was six and i have 2 kids and got married. as well most games that you play are not as violent as they are made to be and if you let these games take you over you had mental issues to begin with. I am sick of Poor parents blaming games for there childrens problems. my daughter is allowed to play whatever game she wants at any age but she is not violent in any way. And yes, who would have thunk it, wemon play videos games one of my ex girlfriends was in fact a counterstrike player, as were her friends. and my friend met his girlfriend online in a video game. you guys just like to blow stereotypes out of proportion to make yourselves feel better about your pathetic existence. in your "religion" you cant have any real fun without making up stupid excuses. So you have to make everyone else look like morons and try to deface each group you hate when in fact you are the problem not us. So go take your jesus and your book, which by the way is PAPER WITH WORDS ON IT!!!! IT MEANS NOTHING!!! I CAN MAKE ONE IN MY ROOM!!! So follow its words and when your done and you dont want to follow that then maybe harry potter will be a better "god" for you. Pathetic.

[rawrosaurus]

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1. How proud will you be 10 years from now knowing you spent 2 to 4 hours a day to get to level eight? In other words, if you found out you had cancer and only a year left to live, is this really how you would spend your time? Time is always shorter than we think!

Im proud of myself today, when i look back and realize that i spent more than 2-4 hours a day playing video games. I am proud to see the friendships i have developed and proud to see how my mental mind has enhanced and developed as well.

1. Do you really think playing video games is leading you to a video game design career? (Please look at the national career database for jobs and you will see there are maybe two openings in the country and they want a PhD - you have never spent enough time on your scholastic studies to get a PhD! Your skill will get you a job as a Wal-Mart bagger, if you are lucky.)

Honestly, who goes in for video game development unless you're beastly with art work? I actually have a career in network infrastructure and i make 75k a year, i am quite happy with my life right now, considering how young i am and how much money i have stashed away already for retirement. And yes, it is quite pathetic that jobs have gone from associates to bachelors to masters that quickly, really sad when some computer gamers like myself know more than most people that get a degree anywhere related to computers. So again, i am happy with my life on that front, and i dont need spiritual cleansing or a supernatural being to over watch my foot steps. You getting hit by a bus tomorrow is just as likely as me getting hit by a bus tomorrow.

1. While you become adapt at pressing buttons and perhaps have great hand eye coordination, you have not developed your inner self beyond the level of a child because game playing does not build your emotional intelligence or your spirit. Is this activity really preparing you to be independent, emotionally competitive and tenacious? All traits required to earn a living and care for yourself or have a relationship with God.

You do have a great emotional boundary when it comes to playing video games. There are great teams, clans, communities you can be a part of, your adrenaline pumps beyond belief and a lot of people actually have a higher self esteem from video games that they play (hello kitty, island adventures doesnt count). Bleeding edge first person shooters run you through many emotions and feelings , you can live your life happily from playing video games. You vent your life through the bible and through Jesus, i vent my life through video games and the brotherhood, the bond of the people that i play beside on my team.

1. And finally, even if you are one of the lucky few (and I mean few) who is already an A student with a great job and is in college, think of the waste of time and energy in this activity and where you could be in life if you focused more on a productive True Christian endeavor!

Why would one want to be a true christian if it is uneccesary to the development of life. You don't need jesus to be a great person. If you met me on the street tomorrow, you would walk away with a smile on your face without even bringing up religion, just because of the way i was raised. I was raised in a household without religion, with an atheist father, and my mother just didnt care, she didnt have the time to mess with religion or a god or any of that.
There are people on this earth that can very easily develop morals and self standards without ever flipping a page in the bible or walking into a church. If you cant believe that, then you're just being ignorant. Trying to convert everyone to the bible and jesus because your blind faith has brought you happiness in life, doesnt mean it will bring happiness to everyone or everything.

and to Nobar King:
There is at least one benefit to playing video games: Learning how to read those maps and identify targets and locations will be really useful when you start delivering pizzas to repay your mom for the heat and internet.

Where the hell did that come from? Thanks for basically insinuating that i am useless because i have played games. I help my mom with her medical bills, with her house, with her irs problems, i have more money at the age of 23 than my mother had at the age of 43. So thanks a whole bunch, world is a different place and there are young people out there that can prove their worth, that have played games. I have seen bad times, i lived in a bad household, i lived without a mother or father for most of my life because their work schedule was too hectic to keep up.
So again, referring to earlier, My life has not be tainted by drugs, alcohol, cigarettes (even though i lived in a house with two smokers, a drinker and a drug addict sister), and i live my life happily. I have job security and i have retirement ahead of me. Have fun with your bible, ill go have fun with the latest edition of PC Gamer magazine.


OH and to top the Rev's words of choice, you may consider yourself wise, but some of the shit that i have seen on your sermons page, including the self circumcision and the keep your babies in a cage on the hospital floor with pigs if it was born on 6-6-06, that is disgusting. I hope you people wrote those as a sick joke and not to be taken literally. Anyone that lops off their penis because you have that on their page is an idiot, and if they have blind faith in jesus, wow, that makes it hysterical. Way to go, that person would never be productive and would never produce a child to carry on your religious beliefs.

Since you all enjoy this argument more, have fun reading.

[Nobar King]

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There is at least one benefit to playing video games: Learning how to read those maps and identify targets and locations will be really useful when you start delivering pizzas to repay your mom for the heat and internet.

[MidwestCatLady]

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Let's take this baseless argument and apply it to other circumstances:

• "Well, I've driven drunk before and didn't crash, therefore drunk driving doesn't cause any crashes."
• "Well, I've swam in the ocean before and didn't get attacked by a shark, therefore sharks don't attack people."
• "Well, I've been shot before and I survived, therefore guns can't kill people."

Well said, Rev. Jim. They are excellent analogies! I would also like to add to the argument regarding violent video games not causing harm. Even if the OP does not think the games (in general) cause harm, please ask yourself these questions:

1. How proud will you be 10 years from now knowing you spent 2 to 4 hours a day to get to level eight? In other words, if you found out you had cancer and only a year left to live, is this really how you would spend your time? Time is always shorter than we think!
2. Do you really think playing video games is leading you to a video game design career? (Please look at the national career database for jobs and you will see there are maybe two openings in the country and they want a PhD - you have never spent enough time on your scholastic studies to get a PhD! Your skill will get you a job as a Wal-Mart bagger, if you are lucky.)
3. While you become adapt at pressing buttons and perhaps have great hand eye coordination, you have not developed your inner self beyond the level of a child because game playing does not build your emotional intelligence or your spirit. Is this activity really preparing you to be independent, emotionally competitive and tenacious? All traits required to earn a living and care for yourself or have a relationship with God.
4. And finally, even if you are one of the lucky few (and I mean few) who is already an A student with a great job and is in college, think of the waste of time and energy in this activity and where you could be in life if you focused more on a productive True Christian endeavor!

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Are you saying it's God's will to promote video games and keep teen violence rates sky high???

[meowmix]

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Video Games cause murders.

Let's ban video games then, and anything else that motivates people to murder.

It is God's will as proclaimed in Manifest Destiny. That's a historical fact (look it up).

oh wait...

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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I've noticed that with all these people who are in denial about video games causing an increase in sex, violence, and crime in society, they all seem to make the same illogical argument over and over: "Well I've played the game and I didn't go out and kill anybody."

Let's examine this argument closely and you will see it's patently false. They think that simply because they themselves haven't killed anybody, that everybody else is just like them, and won't kill anybody as well. Of course, not EVERYBODY playing video games is going to go out and kill, that's not what we are arguing. However, there are suspectible angst-ridden teens on the edge who just need a little shove before they are in the arms of Satan, and violent video games like Counter-Strike provide that little nudge.

Let's take this baseless argument and apply it to other circumstances:

• "Well, I've driven drunk before and didn't crash, therefore drunk driving doesn't cause any crashes."
• "Well, I've swam in the ocean before and didn't get attacked by a shark, therefore sharks don't attack people."
• "Well, I've been shot before and I survived, therefore guns can't kill people."

Etc. Etc. Etc.

So you can plainly see that commonly repeated cry of: "Well I played this game and I never killed anybody" is just a futile and last-ditch attempt at a defense for the Satanic video game apologists. It's time to wake up and accept reality -- Video Games cause murders.

[Tertius The Scribe]

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You can't seriously believe games are to blame, can you?

Yes, I do!

Titus 1:15-2:2: "15-Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16-They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. | 1-But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 2-That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience."

Colossians 3:2-8: "2-Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3-For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4-When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. 5-Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6-For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7-In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. 8-But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth."

[MidwestCatLady]

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I am just finding it increasingly hard to believe people still blame school shootings on video games, when there is clearly a deeper issue than a child playing a game where people are dying.
Death in a video game versus death in real life, there is obviously a greater issue that is pressing that persons' life. Playing first person shooters, I have never developed a strong urge to run behind people and stab them in the back or pull a gun and pop a few rounds into someone's head.
So why bother reading sermons if the original post was from some guy who doesnt even know anything about the games he preaches against?

You can't seriously believe games are to blame, can you?

I was wrote a series of articles years ago regarding television and its impact on teen violence, lower education scores and depression. It was not good and based on years of solid peered reviewed clinical evidence.

When we do not go forth and mingle, actually be with other people and have human contact and lots of it, we sink into a pit. The longer you sit on that chair and interact with nothing but pixels on a screen the worse society will become.

Are we headed to a world where contact with the living is not longer important? Are we destined to be educated, entertained and obtain all information, faith and understanding through the electronic isolation of cyberspace?

I doubt this is what God intended for His creation.

[James Hutchins]

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I am just finding it increasingly hard to believe people still blame school shootings on video games, when there is clearly a deeper issue than a child playing a game where people are dying.
Death in a video game versus death in real life, there is obviously a greater issue that is pressing that persons' life. Playing first person shooters, I have never developed a strong urge to run behind people and stab them in the back or pull a gun and pop a few rounds into someone's head.
So why bother reading sermons if the original post was from some guy who doesnt even know anything about the games he preaches against?

You can't seriously believe games are to blame, can you?

Sure can.

Video games rot your brain and fill it with vile thoughts, The Bible purify's it and clean it.

[rawrosaurus]

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I am just finding it increasingly hard to believe people still blame school shootings on video games, when there is clearly a deeper issue than a child playing a game where people are dying.
Death in a video game versus death in real life, there is obviously a greater issue that is pressing that persons' life. Playing first person shooters, I have never developed a strong urge to run behind people and stab them in the back or pull a gun and pop a few rounds into someone's head.
So why bother reading sermons if the original post was from some guy who doesnt even know anything about the games he preaches against?

You can't seriously believe games are to blame, can you?

[Tertius The Scribe]

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TL;DR

Mr. Pimple-face, do you even bother to read Landover's sermons on demonic video games?

Start with these.

[rawrosaurus]

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"It appears that 17 year old Tim Kretschmer was obsessed with the so-called game ‘Counter-Strike’, to the point where he was unable to differentiate between his real life, and fantasy World he lived in the game. He probably thought he was still playing the game when he killed all those innocent children.

For those who do not know, ‘Counter Strike’ is an ultra-violent video Game where you go around shooting anyone you like. In the ‘alternative reality’ of Counter Strike, you can even pretend to be a Terrorist member of the Al Qaeda, and go out on a killing spree, murdering Godly American Soldiers. Shocking!

When these kids could be in Church learning all about God's love, reading the Bible, or spending their time with Jesus, they are instead playing these violent Anti-Christian games, and being brainwashed into wanting to Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill their parents, Kill their classmates, Kill themselves. That's the kind of trash these games brainwash children into thinking."

1] The young man could definitely distinguish between real and fantasy.
2] You cant pretend to just be a terrorist al qaeda member and go on killing american soldiers.
2a] You get to choose 4 different models in CS, representing from your arab to your south american farc rebel to you soviet scumbag
2b] You dont just kill american soldiers in CS, as the team you represent is made up from US Navy Seal Team 6, UK SAS, German GSG-9, and the French GIGN.
2c] Please learn before you criticize a video game that you know nothing of.
3] Yes, these kids can be in church learning about the bible and God's love but at the end of the day, whether you are a believer in the holy spirit or not, people tend to screw up their lives and kill other people.

4] You want to know how i know all this about CS.
4a] I have been playing CS since its release in 1999 to the public as a mod for the popular game Half-Life.
4b] Oddly, i have not killed anyone yet in real life, and i do not go to church, i do not read the bible and yet somehow, i still have morals and standards as to how i live my life.
4c] In fact, my game of choice is a first person shooter, Counter-Strike, Call of Duty 4, Far Cry 2, FEAR2, America's Army, etc.
4d] Before you all start jumping on people for their life choices, why dont you walk the path of the person you criticize? Perhaps you would see there is more to life than trying to get rid of a popular game like Counter-Strike.

5] It definitely is odd that for some reason, not a single person I know has ever commit suicide or killed another human being because of the games they play.
5a] Again, all i have played since 1999 are shoot 'em up games.

6] And honestly, whose choice is it to allow these children to play such games? The parent should be partially to blame for the lack of discipline and lack of interest in their child. If you, christians, believe that the parents arent a big part in a child's choice then you are sadly mistaken.
The mother or father has the right to say no, the mother or father has a right to turn their game off, to banish them from gameplay.
That is that, final.

7] In addition, i had a 3.8 GPA / 4.0 in my school, an aspiring student, honor roll. I had lots of friends, i had scholarships and i have had a college education. I find it so disgusting to wander upon a forum post such as this while i am surfing the internet. I brought this post back from the dead to clearly point out to all you christians that sadly, there is a rather large movement of christian gamers at hand, that let their children play these such games as well, and they have no trouble or problem with life.
So back off people and learn the real truth before you start becoming ignorant behemoths over a little video game.

If you read this far, i applaud you. If this post gets deleted and I get banned, it just proves how ignorant this particular christian community is and how far out of the world you all really are.

Thank you for your time,
Rawrosaurus Rex, First Person Shooter extraordinare.

[BringAdamTheHorizon]

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[QUOTE=Brother_Percy;305356]HIGHSCHOOL MASSACRE SIMULATOR 'COUNTER-STRIKE' STRIKES AGAIN !


So, if he wasn’t a Goth, then what DID cause him to snap, and perform such an evil and wicked act?


One word: Counter-Strike.


Yes, the News reports paint a picture of a boy who had been spending increasing amounts of time playing the violent Video game ‘Counter Strike’.

It appears that 17 year old Tim Kretschmer was obsessed with the so-called game ‘Counter-Strike’, to the point where he was unable to differentiate between his real life, and fantasy World he lived in the game. He probably thought he was still playing the game when he killed all those innocent children.

For those who do not know, ‘Counter Strike’ is an ultra-violent video Game where you go around shooting anyone you like. In the ‘alternative reality’ of Counter Strike, you can even pretend to be a Terrorist member of the Al Qaeda, and go out on a killing spree, murdering Godly American Soldiers. Shocking!

When these kids could be in Church learning all about God's love, reading the Bible, or spending their time with Jesus, they are instead playing these violent Anti-Christian games, and being brainwashed into wanting to Kill! Kill! Kill! Kill their parents, Kill their classmates, Kill themselves. That's the kind of trash these games brainwash children into thinking.

Counter-Strike is also the ‘School Massacre Simulator’ Seung-Hui Cho, the perpetrator of the Virginia Tech Massacre, trained on in High School.

See, it's like I've been saying all along - These video games turn good normal healthy kids who get good grades and have normal lives, into psychopathic mass-murdering game-geek psychopaths. The sooner we get this game banned, the better!



This.. is pretty ignorant.
Allow me to introduce myself, I'm a 13 year old boy from the South of England, I happened to come accross this forum and I signed up just to post this..

I cant believe someone could be so ignorant, I am not religious myself, but I would not go as far to say I am Atheist, I often play violent video games ( Grand theft auto, gears of war, Assassins Creed), I am also a fan of heavy metal, death metal and rock, although my taste in music is very varied, if what you are saying is true, then instead of typing this out I should be out gunning down whoever I see; there are millions of teenagers the same age as the boy who went on this 'killing spree', yet this one case causes you to beleive that this is a brainwashing game causing children to violent for no apparant reason.

Your source of this story is a news report, probably written by a reporter that knows next to nothing about this boy, knows nothing of his upbringing, and knows nothing of his life, therefore he has just one conclusing, the boy is simply mental, ow I'm not going to comment anymore on that because I'm intelligent enough to know not to comment on things you know nothing about, so lets leave that there.

Now as for the bit about him not being a goth, this is thing I hate about Christians, notice I didn't say christianity, but christians. You are so close minded! You are just as bad as school bullys, everyday I am verbally taunted by people who dont like me because I am 'differant', they stereotype me as an 'emo', someone who is considered to cut themselves, is depressed and listens to heavy metal/emo music, emo is a type of music though, 'emotional rock', simply meaning music with more of an emotional theme to it, often singing about life issues, 'emo' is also just a shortened version of emotional, meaning happy, sad, any kind of emotions, so why so isn't everyone an 'emo', can you not see what you are doing by thinking that this could be caused by this boy being a goth? The problem with you is that you have no sense of individuality, maybe you should be the one getting verbally abused for being the same as everyone? Think about it..

Now how could you think a simple game, no matter how violent it is could possibly trigger a teenager into 'losing it', to be as obsessed with a game as he was reported to be obviously means he spent all his free time on it, to do this you must be lacking a social life, and obviously his parents didn't care much about him, to allow him to spend his life on a videogame, obviously drifting away from everything; the obvious reason for this attack is that this boy is that he had next to no contact with people his age, he was a very quiet boy, so he did not interact much, so when he got home from school he would've obviously gone straight on that videogame, with no care from his parents, to have no emotional support like it is clear he has not, is a very mind triggering thing, possibly causing him to just lose all sense.

Now the problem with judging people like you and I both have from news reports is that the people reading the news report normally know nothing about these 'cultures' that have apparently caused the attacker to do these things.
Take the case of the boy who went on a killing spree in Africa, the band Slipknot (who I am a big fan off, yet im not mental?) were blamed for it, why? Simply because he listened to their music and owned what appeared to be a replica Slipknot mask; but the reporter had this all wrong, this was not a replica mask of Joey Jordison (Slipknots drummer), this was a kabuki mask, which is similar to Joeys mask, a mask that is worn to show no emotion, and now because of that reporters lack of knowledge caused Millions of people to misunderstand Slipknots music, who are considered to be an 'anti-religious band', which is waaay of the mark, here is a quote from there song 'All Hope Is Gone',
"The state of the nation, violation
A broken promise is as good as a lie
The hell is humongous, the devil's among us
And we will burn because we won't unite

We won't witness anymore freedom
What does anybody do we need 'em?
I would rather fight than let another die
We're the problem but we're also the solution"

Does this sound anti-religious? No, Slipknot are a political band, often considered 'Gothic', sure they may have some questionable lyrics, to quote from 'Gematria(The Killing Name)
"This is so typical/apocalypical
Hanging on abysmal release / Jesus
I don’t need this / Don’t wanna be this
Icon in the Making / My hands are piffleing shaking

What If God doesn't care?"

That is just stating an opinion, asking a question, much like you do, I have looked around this forum, and seen some pretty disgusting things, threads about how homosexuals need to repent for their 'sinful ways', well I hate to break it to you guys, but even I a 13 year old, knows that love is a feeling that can't be helped, and you can not decide what/who you are sexually attracted to anymore than the colour of your skin.

I know I have gone off topic quite a bit, but I just wanted to get my point of veiw across, and I hope that I have made you open your eyes a little more.. not everyone is the same, not everyone wants to be the same, just because you want to conform with everyone else this does not mean that any other 'cultures' whether it be goths, emo's, or another religion for that matter, is wrong, or 'sinful'.