[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

.. my apologies for some of the typing errors. Satan has cursed me with dyslexia and I am in desperate need of an edit button.

Unsaved Trash have to earn an edit button. For now, use the preview button to READ WHAT YOU JUST TYPED!

Fix the errors there, so we do not have to stumble through your error-filled posts!

[MOMOwheeler]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

.. my apologies for some of the typing errors. Satan has cursed me with dyslexia and I am in desperate need of an edit button.

[MOMOwheeler]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Long time LOB supporter, first time poster.

Brothers and sisters I am in desperate need of your guiding assistance. I fear Beelzebub has taken a hold of me and has shaken every ounce of God loving spirit from my soul.

You see, I have found myself consistently drawn to these works of Satan; I am sacred for my very existance as I believe that my soul has been stolen by a satanic group identifying themselves as "Bethesda Software."

Bethesda, or whom I have come to refer to as "A Demons Vagina" has infiltrated my very existence for as long as 1/2 a decade or more with works such as Oblivion and more recently, Fallout 3.

Fallout 3 is a nightmare of epic proportion; a seemingly never ending Saga (thanks to Blue Steel) where I am forced to walk the Earth amongst the most fearsome and vial of Satans creations. My nightmare is that of any other God Loving Christian... Jesus has apperently returned and forgetten to take me back to the promise land with him.

If Oblivion was a nighmare; I could only describe Fallout 3 as eternal damnation in the firey pit of hell. 4 playthroughs and over 1000+ hours of repeated torture later and I have yet to escape this tourment... I must be damn - why oh why my Lord in Christ have you forsaken me? Fallout 3 is my eternal curse.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Was my post intended as an introduction? Or was it intended as a logical argument to the OP, starting off with my credentials so I know for sure you guys are actually picking up that I've been a Christian my entire life? Please point out where I disrespected your forum. I'm quite curious.

The fact that you presume I don't understand Salvation is just plain ignorant. But please, remind me again... who did Jesus come to save? The healthy? The pure? Who was it again? Because by your assumption, you should be welcoming me with open arms.

Church protocol mandates that you introduce yourself in the introduction forum before posting elsewhere. You would have known this if you had read the Pastors Rules and Announcements as requested when you registered.

Your actions so far have been disrespectful and rude.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Oh, and I must admit, I do mildly take offense to being classified as "Unsaved trash". The mere fact that you would call new people that proves your lack of understanding of the Scripture. What if C. S. Lewis signed up for this board? Wouldn't that seem a little... I dunno... arrogant?

CS Lewis was a Mary Worshiping Catholic and burns in hell now for spitting in Jesus' face.

You've been playing too much World of Warcraft; there is a difference between Christians and Catholics. Catholics are pagans who worship a false goddess and we Christians worship Christ.

[timeshifter]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Was my post intended as an introduction? Or was it intended as a logical argument to the OP, starting off with my credentials so I know for sure you guys are actually picking up that I've been a Christian my entire life? Please point out where I disrespected your forum. I'm quite curious.

The fact that you presume I don't understand Salvation is just plain ignorant. But please, remind me again... who did Jesus come to save? The healthy? The pure? Who was it again? Because by your assumption, you should be welcoming me with open arms.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Unsubtle troll... is very obvious...

You come into this forum with and introduction posted in the wrong forum that had little to do with explaining to us about how you came to Jesus!

This is a Christian forum, please respect it.

You could do yourself a world of good if you put down the game and start reading the AV 1611 King James Bible all the while praying to Jesus for forgiveness, understanding and Salvation! If you can't do that you'll die and go to Hell without having been anything more than a useless gametard.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[timeshifter]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Unsubtle troll... is very obvious...

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

What are you on about Gametard? Why should I read a stupid rebuttal to a post that I totally agree with by a man I respect?

You are labeled Unsaved Trash because you are not a member of our church, which means you're going to Hell!

And what does the pervert who wrote Alice in Wonderland have to do with anything?

[timeshifter]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Oh, and I must admit, I do mildly take offense to being classified as "Unsaved trash". The mere fact that you would call new people that proves your lack of understanding of the Scripture. What if C. S. Lewis signed up for this board? Wouldn't that seem a little... I dunno... arrogant?

[timeshifter]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

How about you read that and call me that again?

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

TLDR

Why are you here my Gametard friend?

[timeshifter]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Ok, if I may point a few things out... and let me start with this. I was born on Fort Hood, to Christian parents. Moved to Virginia shortly thereafter (as in, before I was two), and from there on, I was a part of the church. My dad went to Bible school, and challenged many a pastor (and usually won). I know the scripture fairly well, and I feel that I understand what God had in mind when He tells us He wants us to follow Him. With that said....

You're a lunatic. Why? Let's start:

1) "It is a "Role-Playing Game" for the computer, very similar to the well-known Satanic Dungeons & Dragons."

"Computer", being a digital medium that provides easy access to *all* content, not just what you want. Bear that in mind. There are a multitude of Christian games available for the computer, as well. And D&D? Please tell me you're joking. This is a bunch of nerds with pencils, paper, and dice, and you're going to tag them as "satanic"?? This is role-playing, not Ouija. That's like me saying what you do for recreation is an abomination to God's will. Ridiculous, right?

2) "You can pick various "races" for your character, including several demonic looking characters called "elves". With their pointed ears and eerie non-human appearances, it allows children to pretend they are a demon themselves."
So Legolas was also a demon? If I recall correctly, Lord of the Rings was a story of great peril and tribulation against the evil of the world, a story of friendship, fellowship (you guys should be intimately familiar with that one), and the battle between right and wrong. You guys should love that story! I know I do, as does everybody I know. Also, wasn't it Jesus who said Jews and Gentiles alike were welcome into His kingdom? Also, "Man looks at the outside, but the Lord looks at the heart"? That ring a bell? Not judging a book by its cover? Any of this ringing a bell?

3) "The game is chockful of blasphemous magic and witchcraft."
Name one fantasy game that isn't. That's the point. It's intentionally set in a very different reality from our own. If you draw parallels, that's your problem, not mine.

"The player is able to perform a variety of spells such as hurling fire from one's hands, turning oneself invisible, forcing others' against their will to obey and listen to the character, and conjuring up demons from Hell to fight for the player."

Call me crazy, but I think the idea of hurling fire from my hands is pretty freaking sweet. "Forcing" others? Speechcraft, or in reality, would be known as "Are you a nice person?" Even in the game, Conjuration is considered a "black art", so why are you making a fuss? The game allows it, but by no means encourages it.

" In fact, magic and witchcraft are a major part of the game and it's difficult to play the game without resorting to these Satanic means."

Yeah, well, my character is an assassin (meaning I kill bad people that the officials are too scared to deal with), so my array of magic is fairly limited... mostly my magic is used to heal myself in the event my sneaking fails me. Doesn't seem so demonic, does it?

4) "The game makes no mention of God or Jesus Christ, instead it pushes a mythology of "Nine gods". You can go to heretical chapels and actually pray to these gods in this game and they heal you!"

Greek mythos has a dozen gods, and you're getting riled up over a game? Give it a few minutes, let the absurdity sink in.

5) "There is a realm called "Oblivion" which is definitely just Hell with a different name. You are required to go through this Hell environment during the game."
.....and destroy, because they're the portals of Evil into the world. Seriously. Do your research next time. Didn't Jesus descend into Hell to battle Satan for the keys to eternal life?

6) "Thieving and stealing are promoted in the game. You are allowed to pickpocket other people and steal possessions. One questline of the game actually REWARDS the player for this sinful behavior!"

Yeah, it's called the "Thieves' Guild" for a reason. Oh, and if you aren't careful, the guards will catch you and throw you in jail. Action, reaction. You do bad, you get punished. Again, sound familiar?

7) "You can do quests for these demons called "Daedra". By doing these quests, these demons reward you. This tells our children that by serving demons they will get rewarded."

What was your motivation to become a pastor? Based on your knowledge of your subject matter, it clearly wasn't the proclaiming of the truth of the Bible. Go to work. You do what your boss asks you to, you get rewarded. It's life, get used to it.

8) "Alcohol in the form of beer, wine, and brandy is available to the player and can be drunk."

I'm tempted to not even say anything, but I have to. Jesus turned water into wine. Alcoholic drinks were the only safe drink in olden days, because it was sterile. Don't drink to excess. HUGE difference from "don't drink". Communion: bread and wine. Don't even start with alcohol. You have less of a case there than any other point you've provided.

9) "This game promotes astrology. Upon creating a character, you are forced to choose a "birthsign". More occult ideas pushed upon the impressionable player."

Once again, you're making a big deal over something happening in a game, yet ignoring the fact that it happens even more in reality. Open your eyes.

10) "There are vampires in the game and a few of them are portrayed as "good guys"."

Once again, you're judging a book by its cover. You should know better.


In summary: Oblivion is an incredible game. If you knew anything about the work required to create such a masterpiece, you'd know that. I'm a professional programmer by trade, and I can tell you, I am absolutely astonished at what that game pulls off. And I completely realize that: it's a game. You people go crazy about my virtual realms, but don't even bother to fix your real ones? You are among the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen. Lucky for you, it isn't my place to judge.

Two more things:
a) "BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured"
*facepalm x2*

b) You can download The Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall for free! Legally! The series was so good, they're giving the older games away for free. Hmm...

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Is it possible to separate real life from this game or does its inherent evil make it unplayable?

That is the exact problem with this game. It is inherently evil and it forms inside the mind making it impossible to seperate reality from fantasy. When the Columbine shooters did their massacre, they honestly thought they were playing a video game.

What happens is repetitive playing of the game starts forming unconscious ideas that creep out into normal life. The person, if they are weak in the love of Christ, will be totally consumed by the video game. The video game becomes real and reality becomes a video game. This is essentially what schizophrenia is.

[Nicholas]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Is it possible to separate real life from this game or does its inherent evil make it unplayable?