[Ihateeveryone]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

The level of Hypocrisy and Irony that you God lovers are throwing out on this forum is absolutely astounding.

[Nobar King]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Well God Sounds like an asshole and even alittle lie hitler! More Knowledge is more power you people are powerless If you believe in a god that is unaccepting of new ideas you will not grow spiritualy

I'm pretty happy with the ideas I already have why do I need new ones?

[LutesAreEvil]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Well God Sounds like an asshole and even alittle lie hitler! More Knowledge is more power you people are powerless If you believe in a god that is unaccepting of new ideas you will not grow spiritualy

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Well plytheism is not evil. It is just a different way of looking at things. Say people believed angels dvine in there own right and should be celbrated for they're works. Also of course your bible would say that it is correct the point is in a metaphysical universe you cant be sure you are right or worng only your belif in your belifs will keep you grounded. Having an open mind and swaying with the sea of ideas that is this world you will find truth.

Where does it say any of that in the Holy Bible? Where does it say that being a pervert is not evil? Where does it say that having an open mind is a good thing? The truth is, God wants us to think LESS, not more!

Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? - Matthew 6:25

[LutesAreEvil]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Well plytheism is not evil. It is just a different way of looking at things. Say people believed angels dvine in there own right and should be celbrated for they're works. Also of course your bible would say that it is correct the point is in a metaphysical universe you cant be sure you are right or worng only your belif in your belifs will keep you grounded. Having an open mind and swaying with the sea of ideas that is this world you will find truth.

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

LutesAreEvil, there’s much wrongness in your post that I don’t know where to start. Before that, can you elaborate what you meant with this:

...Polytheism is a good way to warship many goods or idols...

[Jedediah]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Also how are you sure your religion is correct.

If you could be troubled to spend some time reading God's Word, you wouldn't have to be spoonfed Bible Facts.

II Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I Peter 1:23-25
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever.
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you

II Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[LutesAreEvil]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

I find this website incredibly stupid! You only infer what you see photoshopped on the internet for the truth on everything. You follow the internet more closely then you follow your bibles. What is wrong with trying new ideas and supporting different view points? Polytheism is a good way to warship many goods or idols. Also how are you sure your religion is correct. For all you know you could be going to Muslim hell For being intolerant and misunderstanding of other people. Also this website is a horrible place for racism and evil in the Christan name. You all probably think the inquisition was a good thing.

[Nobar King]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

At least I'm an American.

[Mr Magical]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTHEISM

Time to go play some Oblivion with my transsexual, female, Satan worshiping, demonic assassin. Seriously people, it's a video game. You accuse others of being close minded yet you blindly let a book dictate what you can and can't do while condemning others for making difference decisions. You are sheep.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Why should every single game worship a single god? It's meant to be unrealistic. If everything was the same they would call it real life. The whole point is that it's its own world with it's own rules. More than likely 80% of the devs of the game were christian.

What bases you have for saying that; most game developers are Generation Y since the gaming companies can work them to death. Generation Y has the highest percentage of unbelievers of any age group (thanks to Unionized public eduction) and unbelief goes up by eduction. More likely only 40% of the Developers are Christian and certainly none or TRUE Christians.

[Tiamat]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

This doesn't look demonic to you? I think the picture speaks for itself! Red eyes, pointed ears, demonic face, hellfire in the background, and speaking words of death and self-importance!





Okay so why couldn't the designers explain the element with the Power of Jesus Christ? No, they resort to witchcraft and Satanism to explain it. Of course, the question is WHY the game designers felt it was necessary to be able to shoot flames from your hands, control others' minds, absorb people's health (like a vampire), electrocute masses of people and other forms of black magic?

The character right there is a character that isn't even in the main game. You have to download a mod created by players to see him. Also he IS evil. He worships an evil deadra(think demon). Bosmer are not supposed to be able to have eyes that color unless they become a vampire(or somebody grabs a mod).

Why should every single game worship a single god? It's meant to be unrealistic. If everything was the same they would call it real life. The whole point is that it's its own world with it's own rules. More than likely 80% of the devs of the game were christian.
Why not call it JEsus power? Because in this alternate world he doesn't exist. It's not meant to be real. The reason you have those offensive spells? So you can actually do damage with something other than a sword. It would be pretty useless if all you could do is heal yourself. And honestly MAGIC ISN'T REAL. There is no such thing as black magic. Just as there isn't any white magic. That's all a bunch of bull that people smoke drugs and think they're doing magic. Or gullible people are tricked into thinking magic is done.

If your fiancee was Christian, then she wouldn't be playing the game. The Bible makes it abundantly clear throughout that Christians should seperate themselves for non-Christian people and influences.

Because all Christians think like you.

How does two wrongs make a right? Stealing for a Good Cause? What of the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not steal"? No, that is just simply whitewashing a crime. Of course you and I know the Thieves' Guild isn't the worse in the game...Explain to me the "Dark Brotherhood". They are Satan worshippers (in the game Satan is referred to as "Sithis") and they involve themselves with dark occult activities like praying to the Night Mother and assassinating people in cold blood. Those quests give you reward for engaging in such unspeakable acts. What do you have to say in its defense?

Ever heard of Robin Hood? Sithis=/=Satan. Satan is the opposite of God. Sithis is nothing. He isn't an opposer. He isn't evil. He is nothing. That is how he is described in game. Embodiement of nothing. Technically he isn't a daedra either(but that's the closes he would come to).

That being said The dark brotherhood is as bad as it gets. The only thing I can say in it's defense is that the game is meant to let you do what you want. If you want to be a evil killer you can be. Of course you can and sometimes do pay the price for doing so. Guards will attempt to arrest and if your bounty is high enough kill you for doing those assassinations. Of course if you're good enough to escape notice you won't be punished. Just like in real life.

God is nowhere mentioned in the game. There is however, polytheism in the form of the Nine Divines. So we can establish the game allows worship of false polytheistic gods, demons in the form of daedra, and Satan in the form of Sithis, but there is no reference to Jesus Christ the True Lord and Savior in this game!

There is no god because IT'S NOT A REAL WORLD. Why should they stick to our rules? It's fantasy. Not real. No reason to not have all this crazy stuff. Of course if you want you can kill all those polytheist worshippers. Just like in real life. Also Sithis is a daedra, he is not satan. Why would they have a reference to a real person? It's not meant to emulate real life in any way.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Forgive me for I am but a humble gamer, merely trying to survive in this world....

But I mean c'mon, is this real?!?!?!

Do you seriously think this game is "Evil"?

I am a gamer, I play many games, be they FPS (first person shooter), strategy or RPG and YET, I still consider myself to high moral values. I will not hurt a person, I would not kill a person, in fact I would say I follow more of your laws than most Christians seem do! I definitely have a good grip on reality, gaming as in no way whatsoever effected my ability to tell what is real and what isn't, unlike some of you obviously.

You may come up with examples like: "Oh, these 2 kids killed someone because of what they saw in a videogame!", and yes, they may well have done, but surely this is such a small percentage the millions that play these games. I would guess that people of this mentality would commit crimes with our without games.

I can bring up MANY more examples of Christianity (and nigh on every other religion) causing much more pain and suffering than these so called "evil" games.

In one of your posts you claim that this game is evil, yet Bob's gun shop is not (page 13, near the bottom). So your saying that a game played for fun is more dangerous than a freaking gun?!?!?! A people can (and do) use guns to kill, I couldn't kill you with this game. I'd be more influenced for the worst if I held a gun than if I played a few hours of Oblivion!

The worst thing is that you claim that these games harm impressionable children, and you are right, they are impressionable. So what do you do?? You take these impressionable children, and you do exactly what you condemn these games for doing, you impression upon them your views, you brain wash them, you give them no chance to see what the world is really like.

I'm assuming this post will be deleted; I hardly expect you to read my views and actually think about it, that much is obviously from your already closed minded approaches to life. I very much hope you will read this though and do not delete it, I always like to have a chat with your kind of people .

With all my love,
Ellis

Welcome friend. I am sorry you are so close minded. I suspect you will never read this though.

[GOD=life]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

However to make good people do bad things requires religion.

You are paraphrasing a Steven Weinberg quote. The exact one is "Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things—that takes religion."

That may sound reasonable on the surface if you already agree with it, but let us then also consider the words of Freeman Dyson, famous for his work in quantum field theory, solid-state physics, astronomy and nuclear engineering.

"Weinberg's statement is true as far as it goes, but it is not the whole truth. To make it the whole truth, we must add an additional clause: "And for bad people to do good things—that [also] takes religion." The main point of Christianity is that it is a religion for sinners. Jesus made that very clear. When the Pharisees asked his disciples, "Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?" he said, "I come to call not the righteous but sinners to repentance." Only a small fraction of sinners repent and do good things but only a small fraction of good people are led by their religion to do bad things."

QED

In case you haven't figured it out yet, I am atheist.

I'm guessing you're also a gamegoloid.

[GOD=life]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Forgive me for I am but a humble gamer, merely trying to survive in this world....

Wow, that sounds pretty friendly and reasonable. Sure, we may have different points of view, but surely we can have a polite discussion, right? Right?

I'm assuming this post will be deleted; I hardly expect you to read my views and actually think about it, that much is obviously from your already closed minded approaches to life. I very much hope you will read this though and do not delete it, I always like to have a chat with your kind of people.

Okay...... so you're coming in here as all "humble" and what not, but what you're really doing is talking down to "our kind of people".

Son, your whole attitude is a joke. No wonder you are an avid gamer