[retroman000]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

No, the game is designed by Satan to destroy the souls of innocent children.

No, It's designed by Bethesda for people to enjoy themselves.

It does? Can you do magic?

Probably not, but it makes about as much sense as a man in the sky who's enemy is a red skinned half goat guy who can turn into a talking snake. Oh yeah, I went there.

ur personal opinion is completely irrelevant. What counts is what God tells us: Romans 1:26-27 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which w as meet."

Soo..... you aren't a homophobic, racist guy who got hit too hard on the head with a bible, god is?

Are you kidding?

No, but I wish you guys were.

Can you quote scripture from the Bible we are ignoring? Because I assure you we follow everything that is in the Holy Bible!

Than get a new religion, because this one is apparently kinda screwed up.

Yes it require magic to win. You need magic to kill some untouchable ghost. You need magic to advance in some quests. You need magic to heal yourself since it take an eternity to regenerate Health points without healing magic. You do speak with stones that represent the gods of each races.

Actually, you don't need magic to win. Technically, you can't "win" It's almost a sandbox game, which is why it's so awesome. Daedric and silver weapons can harm spirits, and you can learn alchemy, which lets you pick up common plants, and make just about any potion on the fly.

Anyway, who cares? Its just a game. Lets just move on. After all, if you are a christian, you should simply stop playing games because all games got some anti christ activities excluding sport and war games. Thats why I'm proud to be a sinner. To live and be free teal the day that i die.

Agreed, my friend.



Besides, about the Nine Divine, you don't have to believe in them, like Strakk said. And of course you're going to take a picture that supports you. A picture of oblivion A.K.A.- hell. Plus, the main storyline of the game is to kill Daedra A.K.A- Demons and close all the gates leading from oblivion too their world. Sooo...... yeah. Play the game before you bash it.

[Strakk]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Actually, This game seems good to me. The Nine Divines (as the Nine gods are called in the game) seem to be angels doing God's work. And the point of the game is to save the world from the Evil Daedra. Also don't forget this game is Rated M for Mature. which is 17+ so if your kid is playing this game, maybe you should look at the Ratings.

Also at no point does it say you worship ANY of these Gods, or False gods.

[Psalm91:7]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Hello. I ran across this thread and thought I'd make a few comments...
First off as you're probably wondering I am a born agen spirit filled Christian. I follow preachers like Kennith Copeland, John Hagee, Andrew Wommack, Joel Osteen, Billye Brim, among others that teach a personal relationship with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit not man made "religion"...

On the topic of this thread... I own, and play oblivion. I've also made mods for it which I'll get into later. Oblivion is a "sand box" game. Meaning a player can start the game and go in any which direction they choose. They don't start at point A, and go to Z in a linear fashion. As like in a sand box you can build, and shape it in any way you want. This also goes with the character you choose to play. You can create an "evil" character and practice witchcraft like activity if someone chooses to. On the other hand a player can make a good character and do nothing but destroy evil. There's even an extremely popular mod out there that turns you're look into an angel (in all white armor with wings) and you have EXTREMY powerful abilities. I'm not sure if it references any thing to Jesus, or God the Father I've never tried it, but the base idea is there. The idea of good overcoming evil. So it goes both ways.

Talking about what the original poster said. Does Oblivion "promote" witchcraft, and evil? No not directly. Id say 90% of the game's content promotes good, and good actions. One of the main things that I didn't like, and what the original poster brought up is the fact you pray to some fake gods for healing, and not Jesus...

Oblivion / Hell: As Jesus went to hell made a spectacle of Satan, and took the keys of death, hell and the grave. You (the player) go into hell / Oblivion and take keys that hold open gates to Oblivion. The player doesn't enter Oblivion to fellowship with demons, or pray to them. They hate you, and you kill them. You show Satan, and his demons NO mercy in you're prayer life as you do on you're computer screen. You're sole mission after entering into an oblivion gate is to smash the teeth of evil and close the gate.


Acts of kindness, love, and choices: The game is packed solid with choice making. As I said before it's a sandbox game. There are points in the game where you can give a beggar some money, or give shelter to a homeless person once you own a home. You also see a lot of helping of others in need. And problem solving.


On a personal note: I'm in no way trying to compare what Jesus did on the cross, and in hell for us, or trying to compare this video game to the grace of God. The point I'm trying to make is that Oblivion doesn't directly try and promote evil things. Although as the original poster was talking about praying to fake gods, and the use of witchcraft I didn't like at all. And honestly you can play the game in its entirety, and never pray at all. But for the most part its all in how the player ends up playing the game.


Its the same with mods. There are mods out there that are pure evil no doubt, and other the other hand ones out there that promote good. Like the ones I've made. All of the mods I've made have had some kind of reference to Jesus, or God the father. For example one of the peaces of armor were named “Hood Of Calvary”, and a lot of the armor has crosses on it. I'm hoping it plants a seed. I'm hoping some one might see this and maybe Google the word Calvary wondering what it is, or means. Stuff like that...


I mainly play this game for the adventure, and the mid-ages feel it offers. As far as the witchcraft stuff goes... It bounces off me like water on rock. As a matter of face most of the time their my target.

Thanks, God Bless
Justin

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

The rest of your points are unbased and untrue....

How convincing. Do you have arguments to back that up or is "I am right" the best you can do?

if you find corporeal proof of any of the things that you said, please post them.

You are missing the point of faith here. But if you want real proof, just look here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=41281

[kenny_lives_99]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

lol, I meant doesn't, that was an error on my part. The rest of your points are unbased and untrue....if you find corporeal proof of any of the things that you said, please post them...

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

This game is meant to be an entertaining experience for players

No, the game is designed by Satan to destroy the souls of innocent children.

The last time I checked, magic does exist

It does? Can you do magic?

you consider homosexuals beneath you

Our personal opinion is completely irrelevant. What counts is what God tells us: Romans 1:26-27 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which w as meet."

Next, Satan does not exist; he is merely a figment of your imagination

Are you kidding?

you don't even follow the basic teaching of your own religion

Can you quote scripture from the Bible we are ignoring? Because I assure you we follow everything that is in the Holy Bible!

[kenny_lives_99]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

This game is meant to be an entertaining experience for players, allowing them to do things that they could not do in the real world. I have this game, and I feel that there is a need to fix many of the misconceptions and slander that I have read over the past pages. First, there is the Doom problem. No school shootings were caused by Doom, and the Columbine+Doom scenario has been proved to be an urban legend. As for Elder Scrolls, how could someone accurately emulate that game into any violent situation? The last time I checked, magic does exist, and people don't fight with swords or bows anymore. Big Jim and company, you are very wrong on many points, so many that I can't actually respond to them all. Instead, I will describe you as best I can due to the points you made. First, you are a bigot; you consider homosexuals beneath you. Next, Satan does not exist; he is merely a figment of your imagination that you use to blame things on rather than either realizing that a person made it to sell copies, or to convince yourself that any wrong-doing on you part was not your fault, a huge example of an inability to take responsibility. All in all, you misinterpret the basic teachings of your own faith in order to appear righteous before others. It is people like you who help to spread bigotry and hatred throughout the world while calling it your religious duty. In summary, you don't even follow the basic teaching of your own religion, but are willing to stake your life on said religon. WTF?

[True Disciple]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Yes it require magic to win. You need magic to kill some untouchable ghost. You need magic to advance in some quests. You need magic to heal yourself since it take an eternity to regenerate Health points without healing magic. You do speak with stones that represent the gods of each races.

Anyway, who cares? Its just a game. Lets just move on. After all, if you are a christian, you should simply stop playing games because all games got some anti christ activities excluding sport and war games. Thats why im proud to be a sinner. To live and be free teal the day that i die.

Who cares? God does! Don't you realize that this is just witchcraft repackaged, just like Harry Potter?

Exodus 22:18:
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Leviticus 19:26:
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Leviticus 20:6:
And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14:
When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

These Passages all prohibit the evil of wizardry, and God's Opinion of them. Do you think He likes having His Children play games like this where they learn to practice magic?

[Sidoain]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

YOU SIR ARE A LIAR! THE GAME DOES NOT REQUIRE MAGIC TO WIN. IF YOU ARE INTELLIGENT AND GET YOURSELF THE BETTER WEAPONS, YOU WONT NEED MAGIC AT ALL. YES, YOU FIGHT AGAINST THE INVADING FALSE GOD AND KILL HIM, BACK TO HELL ("OBLIVION") AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER.

Yes it require magic to win. You need magic to kill some untouchable ghost. You need magic to advance in some quests. You need magic to heal yourself since it take an eternity to regenerate Health points without healing magic. You do speak with stones that represent the gods of each races.

Anyway, who cares? Its just a game. Lets just move on. After all, if you are a christian, you should simply stop playing games because all games got some anti christ activities excluding sport and war games. Thats why im proud to be a sinner. To live and be free teal the day that i die.

[Ex-Pagan]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

I swear to God people who makes these game just want to convert people like me back

[James Dewitt]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

YOU SIR ARE A LIAR! THE GAME DOES NOT REQUIRE MAGIC TO WIN. IF YOU ARE INTELLIGENT AND GET YOURSELF THE BETTER WEAPONS, YOU WONT NEED MAGIC AT ALL. YES, YOU FIGHT AGAINST THE INVADING FALSE GOD AND KILL HIM, BACK TO HELL ("OBLIVION") AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER.

Tell me do you also play little games with your Cathrelik Priests?

[GOD=life]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

YOU SIR ARE A LIAR! THE GAME DOES NOT REQUIRE MAGIC TO WIN. IF YOU ARE INTELLIGENT AND GET YOURSELF THE BETTER WEAPONS, YOU WONT NEED MAGIC AT ALL. YES, YOU FIGHT AGAINST THE INVADING FALSE GOD AND KILL HIM, BACK TO HELL ("OBLIVION") AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER.

Why are you so violent? Could it be that you're so used to KILLING adversaries than you don't even bother to TALK to them anymore?

You are the liar here: you're presenting a demonic game as though it's all innocent...... and yet YOU yourself cannot control your RAGE against God on a Christian forum.

Your behavior is just proof #183 that games ARE evil and SHOULD be banned!

SARAH PALIN WILL SEE TO THAT, MY FRIEND!

[christiandemocrat]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

YOU SIR ARE A LIAR! THE GAME DOES NOT REQUIRE MAGIC TO WIN. IF YOU ARE INTELLIGENT AND GET YOURSELF THE BETTER WEAPONS, YOU WONT NEED MAGIC AT ALL. YES, YOU FIGHT AGAINST THE INVADING FALSE GOD AND KILL HIM, BACK TO HELL ("OBLIVION") AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

you just admitted to twisting my words to make the game sound evil

I did all that just by saying "so"? You have a twisted mind my friend. I completely fail to see the point of your rambling. You are defending some game that glorifies satan instead of glorifying Jesus Christ. What is wrong with you?

How little we care about your insults: Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

[Levi Jones]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

you just admitted to twisting my words to make the game sound evil.
and to god=life, since the game is about killing demons and destroying satan, i think that without the killing it would just become being friends with or being destroyed by stan, which is wrong and against the bible.

You are lying. I had to play the game as part of my job. You have to fight against some false god that is invading some polytheistic land that follows a bunch of other false gods. There's almost no way to complete the game without magic.

You make it sound so innocent, but Jesus knows it isn't.