[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Nope! I am not wrong about Oblivion and Fallout 3. If anything, I'm even more resolute in my stance now. I learned because of gamers like you it was far worse than I had ever imagined.

[America]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Nope! I am not wrong about Oblivion and Fallout 3. If anything, I'm even more resolute in my stance now. I learned because of gamers like you it was far worse than I had ever imagined.

If you have such a big problem with it, why don't you go to the developers and talk to them? They would love to hear your bs argument.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I dont care about you because you are ignorant. I'm not a little baby I'm making a point. And I don't need to be the center of the universe. You people disgust me.

You are upset because I (nor any TC) am not ignorant as you are. It further upsets you because you know your mind is underdeveloped and considered infantile. If you were not so self consumed, you would show a little respect for others. You feeling of disgust is actually the all consuming shame you feel for being a utter failure.

Better now that you got someone to talk 'just to special little you'?

[America]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

You are upset because I (nor any TC) am not ignorant as you are. It further upsets you because you know your mind is underdeveloped and considered infantile. If you were not so self consumed, you would show a little respect for others. You feeling of disgust is actually the all consuming shame you feel for being a utter failure.

Better now that you got someone to talk 'just to special little you'?

I feel great that a troller talked to me. I don't understand people like you.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I feel great that a troller talked to me. I don't understand people like you.

I am sorry, were the words too big?

I am still amazed, you just refuse to get it. Are you a 10th grader too?

[Arizona]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Hello, I would like to reasonably weigh in as a game developer. Without insults, without implying anyone change their belief or world view.

The game Fallout 3 and its developers at Bethesda do not intend to promote violent behavior or install the idea that those actions are morally acceptable.

The game is also not intended for young audiences. That being said clearly younger audiences have been able to get ahold of the software But! This is less an issue for Fallout 3 and more an issue for retailers and parents.

Often times us game developers use violence as a way to convey a story rather than as a principal in which we wish to instill in others.

For example many people even those who are not speaking directly from a religious standpoint say Grant Theft Auto teaches people to do bad things or that bad things are ok. However this is also not true, while its easy to take some small examples of things the player can do in GTA the main character is constantly finding them self wrapped up in bad evil stuff that would not be fun to go though.

They steal cars and then get shot at. Or chased and arrested.

They start gang wars only to have their friends get killed.

The life of them character portrayed in the game is not a life any reasonable gamer or otherwise wants to have. While the story is tragic and gameplay violent the examples of why good people don't do these things are there. Most people simply do not look that far. (not insinuating that you do not)

Fallout 3 Includes moral choice. And it has an impact on how the player is treated Early on in the game you are given an opportunity to save a town from a live bomb or set it off for hire. You can choose either path, and it will have an impact on how characters in the game will react and treat you the player. If you choose the Evil way and blow up the town you basically limit your friends down to a short list of shady characters.

The majority of Fallout 3 can be played without need for violence against humans. Also situations that cause violence are often instigated by others who seek to harm you rather than unprovoked attacks from the player. While the game is graphic the intent is not for players to take joy in that but rather to depict a dark and twisted wasteland left after nuclear war, a world of sadness brought on by the evil deeds of the men who came before and your a lone wanderer facing the dangers and trying to survive in a world left to a lost human race. Its there to reinforce to the player that this is not a future they want to live in. That is the point, not meaning less violence. I feel bad for the people who would take what they encounter in Fallout 3 manipulate it in their mind and act out in violence in the real world.

[America]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I am sorry, were the words too big?

I am still amazed, you just refuse to get it. Are you a 10th grader too?

I don't refuse to get it, I understand fully I just don't understand why you want to make fun of Christianity.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Arizona, again, you spit in our face like so many others. Would it be too hard to read and follow the forum rules?

I will say you wrote in a clear and legible manner, though I did not read it as I know little about you and that is not how this forum works.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I don't refuse to get it, I understand fully I just don't understand why you want to make fun of Christianity.

We are not. You are.

You are being rude, disrespectful and inconsiderate. If you 'Got it' and actually cared, you would do something about it.

You do your screename a dis-service.

[Arizona]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I intend no offense I only intend to give perspective from people in our industry if you feel it is a poor perspective I am okay with that. Simply posting for the record and invite your scrutiny.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I intend no offense I only intend to give perspective from people in our industry if you feel it is a poor perspective I am okay with that. Simply posting for the record and invite your scrutiny.

I understand.


This is rhetorical

But would a intro thread kill you? Why is it all the 'gamers' refuse to follow the rules and respect the forum.

[thesleepyturtle]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Nope! I am not wrong about Oblivion and Fallout 3. If anything, I'm even more resolute in my stance now. I learned because of gamers like you it was far worse than I had ever imagined.

No, your just a ignorant old man, who can't stand people that don't agree with you, just like a child.

This forum offends me way more then any video game has, it's filled with sexist remarks, homophobia, and hatred for any religion other then your own. I am appalled you call yourself a man of god.

"I can judge you because I am spiritual, but since you are not with God, you cannot judge me."

Total bull, anyone can judge anyone they want, it's called freedom of speech, but I don't think your thick skull could understand a concept like that.

"Please tell me where there is Scripture saying to "tolerate" people. I seemed to have missed that one despite my years of studying the Bible..."

It's called common sense, not everything ever known is in the Bible, and not everything in the Bible is true. Please tell me where in your posts are logic, or well thought out responses to things you don't agree with. OH, but your a man of god, so EVERYTHING you say is right, and nobody can challenge your almighty opinions. Your only responses are to say "blah blah blah, I can't hear you" like a 7 year old talking to his little sister or you quote the Bible, which automatically makes all your words true. WELL EARTH TO YOU, it doesn't.

I don't care if you write something I don't agree with, but when you just insult other people for not agreeing with you, it makes you look like a complete fool, which I'm starting to think you are.

Oh wait, I think I see it, a spiritual message, oh, its your response to this post...

"Did you say something? My head was too far up my 'behind' that I couldn't quite hear you right. Maybe if I quote the Bible it will clear up any thing bad you have to say about me."

[Arizona]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I am sorry I will post an intro thread to comply with the rules. I learned of this site from another online community www.dontstayin.com

I will not defend Don's Stay In or their community. But it is a large international public site. You may want to pass on this information.

I found the information while going through my personal email, anyone in their gamers group (of which I am a member but have never actually participated in) received an update from them informing us of this thread.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I am sorry I will post an intro thread to comply with the rules. I learned of this site from another online community www.dontstayin.com

I will not defend Don's Stay In or their community. But it is a large international public site. You may want to pass on this information.

I found the information while going through my personal email, anyone in their gamers group (of which I am a member but have never actually participated in) received an update from them informing us of this thread.

Thanks! I wish the others had half of your brains instead of acting like a sack of rocks.

When ever I go to a new forum, when possible, I read all about it. I do this to determine if it is a place I want to be associated with. If I heard bad things about a site, I read it to attempt to garner a clarification. I do not blindly go charging in with my eyes closed. Once, I glanced at 4Chan, after hearing so much about it. The images burned into my retinas.

[JosephB]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

You say that you're Christians, but you think slavery is lawful, and all other races are scum. Why should we believe anything you say?