[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Ok, I shall reiterate what he falsified again:
There is NO PROSTITUITION nor any Sexual content in the game. Prostitutes do exist in the game world, but cannot be solicited.
The 'Homemade'weapons are not going to inspire ANY 'Domestic Terrorist Activities'. Again, the matter in which they are implemented is obviously entirely real, and you do not actually 'Build' them.
And 'Hacking' is just like the 'Homemade' weapons, obviously entirely real in the way it is presented and with no real world application whatsoever.

This is coming from a guy who has played this game through its entirety (Including all current DLC). Again, I am not trying to defend the game from your 'Satanic' labelling, I merely wish the Reverened would fix the misinformation he posted.

Exactly what did the Good Rev. error on? And your word comes from 'A guy' you know whereas the good Rev. knows it first hand? Son. I am doing my darndest to be impartial. You have realize, if one person is an actual witness and another states conflicting testimony based on heresay, I have to ignore the heresay. Google heresay and you'll understand.
I think, if you take off your 'gamer hat' for a few minutes and just read what the good Rev. has written, you'll see he does it for good reasons and has nothing to gain by leading you astray. The gaming companies have everything to gain. They want to you to buy version 4 of the game when it comes out, then #5.

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Make up your mind. There's no prostitution but there are prostitutes?
You know this HOW?
All you are doing is trying to promote this video game for satan.

Yes, there is no prostituition, but there are prostitutes in the game world. As in they are in the game, but there is no sexual content concerned with them. You simply know what they are when they offhandedly mention about "All the boys know me." or something.
I know that 'How' because a Toy Car and radscorpion poison glands are not a viable real world ingredients for a dart gun, 'Nuka Grenades' are made from a ficticious beverage, and 'Building' these is not some in depth how to guide to make an explosive, its collect the materials, go to a workbench, hit a button to select, and a button to make. Im pretty sure a bit more preparation is needed to make a real boom.
Promote for Satan...no, as stated earlier, I dislike lies.

And the Reverend is the one doing the heresay Mr. Hutchins. Do to his labelling of the game, I assume he has not played it through, and therefore has no real knowledge of it, other than reading a few online articles Why would he lie? I do not know, but know that he is. Perhaps to make the game seem just that much worse?
As I've said, Im not here to bash anyone or anything, I just want these few falsities rectified. Again, HE IS RIGHT ON A MAJORITY OF THE ARTICLE! But 1 lie causes a crack that can become a rift. If he lied about this, and you people simply dont wish to see it, this very little, meaningless minute lie. But a lie is a lie.

[Nobar King]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Are you on crack?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Is a man who never murdered, can you call him a Murderer? No
If a woman has never prostituted herself, is she really a prostitute? No
But a man who has murdered is a murderer, a woman who has prostituted is a prostitute.
By your own admission, there are prostitutes in the game, therefore there must be prostitution.


And yes, the good Rev. has played the entire game, countless hours. He would never condemn anything without knowing about it first hand.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Jay, you seem like a nice kid (no where near as absurd as your pal from yesterday 'Apa-loser'). Re-read what have written in the last few posts and what you have written. You are making errors that only serve to weaken you.

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

By your own admission, there are prostitutes in the game, therefore there must be prostitution.

And yes, the good Rev. has played the entire game, countless hours. He would never condemn anything without knowing about it first hand.

I do not know how to say thin off of the top of my head, so please bear with me on this:
Due to the huge hoopla over the now infamous Grant Theft Auto:San Andreas 'Hot Coffee' fiasco, sexual content for games is now much more closely monitored for by the ESRB. Previous Fallout games (In which Fallout 3 is set in the same universe.) had actual prostituition, and even the ability to be in porn. However, due to the games engine, these were never graphic and you never saw anything happen.
Now comes Fallout 3, set in the same, bleak, dark, universe, but now post-'Hot Coffee'. Sexual content (especially of a graphic nature) takes up alot of 'Content alottment' allowed by the current ratings. Its a lot easier to get violence gore past the Boards, then it is anything sexual. So yes, Prostitutes exist in the game. However, you as the player are unable to interact with them in any sexual way, and never see a sexual act anywhere throughout the game. Not even a kiss.

I want to believe the Reverend has actually played the game in its entirety, but the fact he has posted these few niblets on untruth makes me see otherwise.

[Shoebarf]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

The problem, until a gamer kills in real life, we are considered 'over reacting'. Not a week goes by when there is not news of another gamer related death.
See, gamers as a whole are not very bright. They think they are, but all they ever have to compare to is other gamers. Basically, one cesspool is as clean as another. So when a gamer 'snaps' and goes on a murderous rampage, catching them is no harder than going to the kids parents basement, where the child is typically found, balled up in a corner with his 'blankie'. It is an open and shut case. Because of this and the fact it has become so common place, no one gives it much notice any more. Everyone is too busy texting, drinking their latte and driving the Prius to notice.

You seem to characterize gamers and those who make games as idiots. Maybe you should write billions of line of code and then tell me how easy it was.

I don't where this whole thing started, but games don't make people kill people! You treat this game like some sort of the murder simulator when that is hardly the case. Shooting a gun is nothing like holding a controller and using joysticks to aim. Games don't have the negative effects the ignorant cast on them. I've been playing games all my life and I've never had a murderous thought, and I'm not at all violent. I have plenty of friends who are gamers, and none of them are aggressive psychopaths.

[Nobar King]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

More of the blind leading the blind, this is so sad.

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

The problem, until a gamer kills in real life, we are considered 'over reacting'. Not a week goes by when there is not news of another gamer related death.
See, gamers as a whole are not very bright. They think they are, but all they ever have to compare to is other gamers. Basically, one cesspool is as clean as another. So when a gamer 'snaps' and goes on a murderous rampage, catching them is no harder than going to the kids parents basement, where the child is typically found, balled up in a corner with his 'blankie'. It is an open and shut case. Because of this and the fact it has become so common place, no one gives it much notice any more. Everyone is too busy texting, drinking their latte and driving the Prius to notice.

Theres a difference between gamers who kill and a killer who plays games. Gaming has become a HUGE entertainment medium, comparable to movies and music. Millions play, so there are bound to be a few bad apples. Just like how Metal Music and Violents movies make'em do it. Just a hobbie, sometimes bad people get into that hobbie.

More of the blind leading the blind, this is so sad.

Nobar, C'mon man. Please contribute, not berate.

[Nobar King]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I'm not the one here trying to justify murder simulators for kids.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Let me address the issues that Cyanide brought up.

1. There is indeed prostitution in the game. In Moriarty's Bar there is a woman, I forget her name, but she is obviously a prostitute. She gives you the option to rent a room with her! While no actual sex act is shown, you can clearly solicit prostitutes and fornicate with them.
2. The homemade weapons can inspire kids to make their own. After playing with these weapons, they might think it kind of fun to make their own in real life! While these weapons themselves can't be made in real life with the parts in the game, creative gamers could find ways to make their own "dart guns" and "shishkebabs" (flaming sword).

I refuse to change anything in the original article because I have played the game and know what is in it.

[Tyler Sheirm]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I am a player of Fallout 3, go ahead, start beginning to delete this post, but please answer my question first.

Can a player choose to not be an evil character? It has been proven that the character is only forced to kill one enemy, an irradiated roach. The rest of the game, people can play soldier, or satanist if you will, or they can play pacifist.

Do you think that whether or not children are affected in any vile way from this game depends on as much as the game as their own maturity? Do you not think that maybe parents have a responsibility in teaching their child right from wrong so that they do not commit horrible things?

Yes, Fallout 3 is gory at times, yes, it does simulate murder, yes it has the options of detonating a bomb in Megaton and killing the residents. I myself hate the Bloody Mess perk because it is just a little too unreal and over-gory for my liking.

On one particular quest, Tenpenny Tower, you can either let the Ghouls into the tower, or kill them at their home in the metro station. When I first played this game on my cousin's PS3, I had done the quest, and not being a bigot (Hint,) I proceeded to convince the others that it was not a bad thing. When I had found out that the Ghouls had killed everyone in the tower a day later, I went on a rampage. The point is, just because you kill something, doesn't mean it is always bad.

I even reloaded so that I could kill them in their sleep. This was a better alternative to them killing everyone, but I didn't do it because I didn't like them and how they were different, because that is simple racism. That is prejudice, and I do not believe that God encourages racism or being a bigot.

Fallout 3, is either a horrible game, a good play, or just another thing to occupy your time, it is not, repeat, not, a purposeful creation designed to change children or adults into satanists. If you are too blind in your faith to realize that, I feel pity for you.

Understand that how it affects a child is based on the teachings of the parent(s).

[Shoebarf]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Let me address the issues that Cyanide brought up.

1. There is indeed prostitution in the game. In Moriarty's Bar there is a woman, I forget her name, but she is obviously a prostitute. She gives you the option to rent a room with her! While no actual sex act is shown, you can clearly solicit prostitutes and fornicate with them.
2. The homemade weapons can inspire kids to make their own. After playing with these weapons, they might think it kind of fun to make their own in real life! While these weapons themselves can't be made in real life with the parts in the game, creative gamers could find ways to make their own "dart guns" and "shishkebabs" (flaming sword).

I refuse to change anything in the original article because I have played the game and know what is in it.

That's fair. But these games were meant for mature individuals, and if a young child gets their hands on this games and 'somehow' figures out a way to build a flaming sword, I think any sensible person can agree this is the parents' fault. The real issue at hand with games with mature content is the fact that apathetic parents are using them as babysitters for their young kids. Parents need to be more responsible and consider the maturity of their kid before purchasing them a game like Fallout 3.

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Let me address the issues that Cyanide brought up.

1. There is indeed prostitution in the game. In Moriarty's Bar there is a woman, I forget her name, but she is obviously a prostitute. She gives you the option to rent a room with her! While no actual sex act is shown, you can clearly solicit prostitutes and fornicate with them.
2. The homemade weapons can inspire kids to make their own. After playing with these weapons, they might think it kind of fun to make their own in real life! While these weapons themselves can't be made in real life with the parts in the game, creative gamers could find ways to make their own "dart guns" and "shishkebabs" (flaming sword).

I refuse to change anything in the original article because I have played the game and know what is in it.

Yes you rent a room from her, and she offhandly mentions she is a woman of Ill repute. But no fornication happens, and you do not pay the lady for her company, you pay for the Room! (120 bottlecaps is the price to rent a room anywhere in Fallout 3). And as far 'Clearly', no. As such if you consider what happens in game with her as prostitution, then anytime the game engine glitches a person into your bed (a well-known glitch), then you must have fornicated with them? Sorry, its a game engine glitch. Also if you consider what she does prostituition (which it is not), then it is the only instance where it happens. As prostitute do litter the wasteland, again, no sexual interaction is allowed whatsoever.
I guess I cant knock your 'Inspire' reasoning about the Homemades Reverend, other than if a child decides to actually start making weapons and the parents STILL dont take notice, then we be screwed.
You've also not mentioned the 'Hacking' I brought up. But I guess your gonna say 'inspire' as well.
You take alot of this game out of context as well, but I assume that THAT does not concern you, only the content.

[CyanideJay]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I'm not the one here trying to justify murder simulators for kids.

By your pic, it would seem your wizened old sage from a classic D&D Module (Not an Insult!), but you post like a kid from Xbox Live.
It is not a Murder Simulator, I could point you towards REAL murder simulators. This is a game based in a Dystopian retro-50's future with a Post-Apocolyptic flavoring. The content warrants the violence (though not so much the over-the-top gore, granted ).
Now if you have a problem with all forms of violence except Biblical, we may have a severe gap in understanding, but one always hopes for bridges.