[Bobby-Joe]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

I'm not entirely sure what that tangent of yours was trying to prove, and I strongly doubt that facts are usually correlated with science. A better, but probably more confusing word, would be a proposition, which is much more closely related to philosophy or logic.

I am saying that anytime someone cites a fact in an argument with me that fact just happens to back them up. Origins of Man debate are a good example of all the facts supporting other side. That sounds awfully suspicious.

Did this turn into a Christians bashing game? No, I wouldn't call it that. The fact (oh sorry, proposition) that C.O.M. is a "TRUE Christians™" has very little significance on whether what he said was true or not.

Christianity is a professed faith. By definition to be a TRUE Christian™ you have to declare yourself as one as well as behave as one.

Do you guys really count points about "oh he was a TRUE Christians™ that's one down for them? Score! Nice bashing!" That sounds a bit childish. Sorry to put it so bluntly.

We're not here to score points friend. We're here to spread the truth about Christianity and strip away the false Christian lies.

[GenericComrade]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

Secularist try to argue the origins of man and the age of the world the same way; "Oh, we are only concerned about facts, which we will furnish. Oh look, what a surprise, these facts we found back us up!" The next thing we know we TRUE Christians™ are turned into monkeys dancing for peanuts by the magic of science. Yes friend, we are quite familiar with the Christians bashing game here at Landover.

I'm not entirely sure what that tangent of yours was trying to prove, and I strongly doubt that facts are usually correlated with science. A better, but probably more confusing word, would be a proposition, which is much more closely related to philosophy or logic.

Did this turn into a Christians bashing game? No, I wouldn't call it that. The fact (oh sorry, proposition) that C.O.M. is a "TRUE Christians™" has very little significance on whether what he said was true or not.

Do you guys really count points about "oh he was a TRUE Christians™ that's one down for them? Score! Nice bashing!" That sounds a bit childish. Sorry to put it so bluntly.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

And if you read carefully, I said,

Let me reword that, if I wasn't clear. A fact is either true or false. There is no fuzzy logic, opinion, beliefs, or philosophical nature about it.

Secularist try to argue the origins of man and the age of the world the same way; "Oh, we are only concerned about facts, which we will furnish. Oh look, what a surprise, these facts we found back us up!" The next thing we know we TRUE Christians(tm) are turned into monkeys dancing for peanuts by the magic of science. Yes friend, we are quite familiar with the Christians bashing game here at Landover.

But back to the basic point you still REFUSE to address. You are here in OUR forum attacking our members and insulting them. We didn't go into what ever hole in the internet you lurk around in friend and drag you here. You attitude is completely hypocritical.

I was complaining that many of the things C.O.M. said were untrue. Those things had nothing to do with religion.

For example, whether this was true: "automatically and permanently enables webcams to allow perverts to spy on our innocent children"

Brother Cranky says he has his facts. I say we teach the controversy and let the reader decide who is correct.

[GenericComrade]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

You are ducking Brother Jenkins question; you are the one on OUR forum as guest attacking OUR religious beliefs. That makes you the bigot here.

And if you read carefully, I said,

I am simply pointing out that many of the facts listed about Blizzard/Starcraft 2/Battle .Net aren't true. Many things I pointed out has nothing to do with beliefs or opinions.

Let me reword that, if I wasn't clear. A fact is either true or false. There is no fuzzy logic, opinion, beliefs, or philosophical nature about it.

I was complaining that many of the things C.O.M. said were untrue. Those things had nothing to do with religion.

For example, whether this was true: "automatically and permanently enables webcams to allow perverts to spy on our innocent children"

(and I think it's pretty clear by now that it isn't)

Therefore, how could I possibly be 'attacking' your religious beliefs when I'm discussing whether a fact is true or not?

Now, I do admit that some of the things in my first post were opinionated (like the Olympic stuff), which I admitted to here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...&postcount=247

I think by my recent post, it would have been pretty clear what my 'beef' was about.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

I am simply pointing out that many of the facts listed about Blizzard/Starcraft 2/Battle .Net aren't true. Many things I pointed out has nothing to do with beliefs or opinions. For example, "automatically and permanently enables webcams to allow perverts to spy on our innocent children," is laughably untrue and there's entirely no basis to make up such a ridiculous lie.

You are ducking Brother Jenkins question; you are the one on OUR forum as guest attacking OUR religious beliefs. That makes you the bigot here.

Well using Pastor Billy-Reuben's words of, "We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it", I don't think they do.

And you will find no bigger group of childish readers of The Bible than TRUE Christians™. We always take the most simplistic read of Scripture. GLORY!

[Irrational Dissenter]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

Excuse me, but it appears that you have passed over my post. Please look at the last post on page 23 and the first post on page 24.

[GenericComrade]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

I learned about Real ID the same way you did, by reading the news and the uproar about it.

Oh, and if it's not painstakingly clear; RealID on the forums fell through months ago. In other words, you post on the forums with an alias, NOT your real name.

What does that mean? The company listened to the customers and the complaints about it. And like a 'good' company would, they decided to not to implement it.

I'm sure they lost tens of thousands of dollars in development time by listening to the customers, but oh well.

(Don't get me wrong though, they're still evil... right? )

[GenericComrade]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

I don't know what's with all of these assumptions.

What I fail to see is why you would defend an evil company

I am not defending any company. I'm merely saying that you shouldn't make up unnecessary lies about them.

Did I ever deny that the company was evil? Actually, I did not. I don't mind you calling the company evil. What I do mind, is you lying to everyone on the forums. I love the irony of double standards from your post here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...2&postcount=57 where you complain that someone is lying; when your first post in this thread is indeed full of lies.

which is clearly doing nothing but getting our innocent children raped!

And the company "automatically and permanently enables webcams to allow perverts to spy on our innocent children" right?

I'm honestly surprised you're still trying to sell that and I'm even more surprised if people on here are still buying it.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

there was a huge uproar when people were being forced to use RealID on the forums, months before SC2 released, as you can see here:http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...Id=25712374700 In other words, it was too controversial of a move to force on a paying customer. Why do I know about it? It was even on the news.

I learned about Real ID the same way you did, by reading the news and the uproar about it. I am glad you are not in denial about it. What I fail to see is why you would defend an evil company which is clearly doing nothing but getting our innocent children raped!

[GenericComrade]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

You are the one who comes to a Christian message board and persecutes its members for their religious beliefs. Who is the bigot?

I am simply pointing out that many of the facts listed about Blizzard/Starcraft 2/Battle .Net aren't true. Many things I pointed out has nothing to do with beliefs or opinions. For example, "automatically and permanently enables webcams to allow perverts to spy on our innocent children," is laughably untrue and there's entirely no basis to make up such a ridiculous lie.

How about the fact that Cranky Old Man is a longstanding, respected member of this community, and doesn't go around defending pornographic Hell simulations like you are.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and realize that some of the things he says are not entirely true.

I am not disagreeing that he's a respected member, and I hope you understand that.

Then how will they prevent trolling?

Whether or not it in fact prevents trolling can be a long and huge debate, but there was a huge uproar when people were being forced to use RealID on the forums, months before SC2 released, as you can see here:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700

In other words, it was too controversial of a move to force on a paying customer.

Why do I know about it? It was even on the news.

The difference is that the people who play Starcraft are drug addled sexual predators while the members of Landover are True Christians™.

Hey, I can pull random made up statements out of my rear too.

Is every person to plays SC2 a "drug addled sexual predator"? Of course not.

And not every member of "Landover are True Christians™", since any random person on the internet can register on here.

How is witchcraft different today than it was 2,000 years ago? There have always been lesbians involved in witchcraft. They are only more open about it now.

You guys need to stop using "always" and absolute statements, since they're "almost always" going to be wrong.

The Olympics are pornographic.

Honestly, I shouldn't have brought it up, since that's one of the things that are opinionated.

Look at the bright side though; at least our Olympics aren't like the Ancient Greek Olympics, where some were nude for a period.

First of all, that isn't a pie. It is a cake. Learn your desserts. You obviously don't have a wife.

I don't even understand what you could be upset about to make such a childish insult. Do you get pleasure from insulting random people on the forums?

But I could have guessed that from your obsession with video games.

Many of the posters here are quite famous for their assumptions and absolute statements ("this group is so and so").

Sure they do.

Well using Pastor Billy-Reuben's words of, "We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it", I don't think they do.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

as you are showing them that the Lord is condemning and full of hate. He is not. He is full of love.

Yes He is. But there are also a lot of things He really hates. It seems to me you never bothered to open a Holy Bible so allow me to show you:

People God hates:

• Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
• Deuteronomy 12:31 "You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshiping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates. They even burn their sons and daughters in the fire as sacrifices to their gods."

God kills those who do not believe in Him and then sends them to hell:

• 2nd Chronicles 15:13 "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."
• Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
• Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
• John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

[OtaConnor]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

I'm a Christian. I believer in God, and Jesus. I love them with all my heart and forever do so. I pray everyday and make church as often as possible. I know my bible well, and walk in the Lord's footsteps.

However, I feel you are twisting his word, to what YOU want. I play Starcraft II, and I love it. It hasn't done anything negative to me.

I am 21 years old. I am the composer for the company Maniacal Games. I make a great living! In fact, I am writing a suite for orchestra, set to the 7 days God created the world.

I have a wonderful lovely Christian girlfriend, and caring family.

My life is great.

I love Jesus.

I play Starcraft II.

I am not brainwashed.

You are setting a bad example for those who might seek the Lord someday, as you are showing them that the Lord is condemning and full of hate.

He is not.

He is full of love.

[Rudureda]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

Hi there,
First of all i want to say that im not english speaker, so i want to apologize for my language mistakes.
I want to present ( i don't see a place for presentations, sorry if it is offtopic).
I'm from spain, and i'm here because i saw these thread saying that people who plays tarcraft 2 are evil.

I'm Starcraft player and I'm aphateist, I know that now you see me like the devil or something like that, but i'm not here for attack you, and i'm not here because I want to change the way of thinking of you.

I'm here because, as you can see I think that you have the right of have your believings and the right of be respected.
And seeing this, I want to ask for the same respect.
I know that you will not respect the way of think of an atheist, and i think you have your reasons about that, but i'm not talking about that. I'm talking about Starcraft 2!
Starcraft 2 don't attack you, don't want to make you evil. I know that there is some violence, but I think is a right see this kind of things, If you don't like, perfect, but do't try to ban a right. All you know that God give us the oportunity of choose, isn't?
And in korea, starcraft is not like a religion, is like a sport like football or somethink like that, the people haver their believings even playing this.

Thank you for all your attention

[BelieverInGod]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

In the 40 minutes or so I've been on this forum, I've seen discussions of beating children ages 0 and up, tactics to get rid of children, innocent video games promoting homosexuality and rape, questions whether or not your children are possessed, and to top it all off, calling a girl a whore and slut because she won't marry a man that raped her? I'm amazed honestly at how idiotic and sad you all are. I won't be replying again. I will in no way contribute to discussions generated by christians, the real faggots and terrorists.

What does this have to do with StarCraft? Is it impossible for atheists to stay on topic?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: StarCraft II: Gets children raped and promotes gays in the ar

In the 40 minutes or so I've been on this forum, I've seen discussions of beating children ages 0 and up, tactics to get rid of children, innocent video games promoting homosexuality and rape, questions whether or not your children are possessed, and to top it all off, calling a girl a whore and slut because she won't marry a man that raped her? I'm amazed honestly at how idiotic and sad you all are. I won't be replying again. I will in no way contribute to discussions generated by christians, the real faggots and terrorists.

You are just afraid to respond to my incisive criticism of your last post.