[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Soo......uhhhh.... you can't rebut any of my points, can you?

[Brother Love]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Well I see the WITCH van HELL-Singer is on the defensive again trying to defend her DEMONIC HEATHEN LIES! Ain't no use Hellsinger as Jesus was NOT a HOMER no matter how badly you want to spin it! Just count yourself lucky that you aren't living in days gone by or you surely WOULD be on the stake by now and I'd be setting your HEATHEN body aflame. PRAISE JESUS!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Brilliant proof of why Rachael is wrong. Leprosy is mentioned 37 times in the Bible, but there is not a single mention of AIDS or anyone trying to destroy marriage and demanding special rights, thus proving beyond all doubt that there were no queers in Jesus' day!

No, it simply means that such things were not mentioned or not a problem back then. No one can pinpoint exactly when the aids epidemic started, and what's more, aids is by no means spread through homosexual sex only. And back in those days, it seems it was common for men to stray from a single partner, it was the women who were expected to stay faithful no matter what.

Yes, always in terms of GOD forbidding it! Why would Jesus do something He forbids? You'll be telling us that God is a liar next, I suppose.

If he existed, then yeah, he'd be a liar.
For example:

Matthew 21:21-22 21Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.
22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Matthew 7:7-8
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

It clearly states here that he is saying ALL prayers will be answered. Are all prayers answered that xtians make? How many times do you hear of some xtian family for instance praying for the safe (meaning still alive) return of their missing daughter.....only to find her mutilated body in a ditch.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Anyway, this whole thread is utterly vile, and proof that Hellsin is incurably filthy-minded and depraved. Why, I bet she could find homerism in verses as innocent as these:
Acts 20:36 And when he had thus spoken, he kneeled down, and prayed with them all.
37 And they all wept sore, and fell on Paul's neck, and kissed him...
1 Thessalonians 5:26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

Well duh.
It only specifically mentions men kissing women a few times in the KJV1611, yet there are quite a few mentions of men kissing men. ou think this means nothing? I don't think so!

Ooh....Him as a Snail, even Homer! oooh....

I shall Worship Him in any form! Any place! Please, God, please, do bring Him on!

Hmm, I wouldn't recommend that you visit any french restaurants, in that case, SUV.

It was consistently condemned in The Bible Rachael. As I have said it was the ancient Greeks who held it was the manly thing to do. The boy bothering was the ancient Persians and the Jews were no big fans of them ether.

Consistently condemned, implying it was consistently taking place.

Now don’t you think the Pharisees would have accused Jesus of “going Greek” Rachael in their attacks against Him? That was one of Jesus’ charges against the Pharisees that they were back sliding from God’s law to accommodate the Greeks so the Pharisees would have loved to toss that one back at Him.* Remember, Judea fought it’s way clear of the Greek occupation in almost living memory in Jesus’ time so acting like a Greek was a very hot button issue at the time. Heck, they tried getting Jesus stoned for performing miracles on a Sabbath.**

Now, we might speculate that due to the danger of the rules mongering Pharisees posed Jesus tested His disciples for homerism so as the not leave an opening for His enemies. That would explain Him stripping the supple bodied youth. You can be sure Jesus eyes were fixed on the love baskets of the Apostles for any signs of depravity. But He was only testing them to unmask any hidden homers! That would have been it!

As far as Jesus cozying up to His Apostles that is to be expected. As The Bible says God’s love for mankind is deep and He wants to lie betixed our breasts and refresh our bowls. Jesus was just doing what He said He would do.

* Like they could ever catch the Son of God breaking His own law.

** They were so nuts about that Pompey the Great took the Temple at Jerusalem by attacking on a Sabbath because the defenders refused to fight then.

Well it clearly contradicts many things in the bible, BJ. For instance there is the commandment saying not to kill, yet it seems there were exceptions for those whom your deity commanded to go on killing sprees.
Not only that, but the commandment to 'honor thy father and thy mother', and yet here, in:

Matthew 10:34-35 34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

So what then, on one hand make a commandment forbidding such things, on the other command people to go on killing sprees and then state, like in the above passage, that your supposed savior has come to do the very things commanded against??

This, then, clearly shows that he's breaking or contradicting the rules anyway so hey, why not a little romp with a boy or two while he's at it? Can't you see that???

And yet, you still are unaware of those ancient sources on Paganism Rachael. At lest I’ve read my religions Holy Book.

Aren't I? I just saw no real relevance to such sources in this particular argument/debate.
We're talking about jesus being gay here, not an ancient Greek. And what you quoted in this thread really didn't have anything to do with Paganism, more to ancient customs.

LIES HARLOT! DISTORTIONS OF THE TRUTH™! Jesus mother was a Jew. It is impossible for Jesus to become Jewish when His Father wasn’t. The Bible also makes it very clear that heritage passes threw the father. Jesus Father is God! God is God! God therefore can not be Jewish!

Afraid they aren't. BJ.

Matthew 2:1-2 1Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.


John 4:21-23
21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:9-10

9Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
10Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Uhhhh, the jesus of the bible was clearly jewish.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Don't be silly. Homosexuality is mentioned rampantly through the bible, both between men and women. The term 'sodomy', for instance? Where do you think that came from? Not the Ancient Greeks, that's for sure!
And no, he was not killed for homosexuality, but this does not mean that he didn't enjoy some special time with a special lad or laddies.

It was consistently condemned in The Bible Rachael. As I have said it was the ancient Greeks who held it was the manly thing to do. The boy bothering was the ancient Persians and the Jews were no big fans of them ether.

Now don’t you think the Pharisees would have accused Jesus of “going Greek” Rachael in their attacks against Him? That was one of Jesus’ charges against the Pharisees that they were back sliding from God’s law to accommodate the Greeks so the Pharisees would have loved to toss that one back at Him.* Remember, Judea fought it’s way clear of the Greek occupation in almost living memory in Jesus’ time so acting like a Greek was a very hot button issue at the time. Heck, they tried getting Jesus stoned for performing miracles on a Sabbath.**

Now, we might speculate that due to the danger of the rules mongering Pharisees posed Jesus tested His disciples for homerism so as the not leave an opening for His enemies. That would explain Him stripping the supple bodied youth. You can be sure Jesus eyes were fixed on the love baskets of the Apostles for any signs of depravity. But He was only testing them to unmask any hidden homers! That would have been it!

As far as Jesus cozying up to His Apostles that is to be expected. As The Bible says God’s love for mankind is deep and He wants to lie betixed our breasts and refresh our bowls. Jesus was just doing what He said He would do.

* Like they could ever catch the Son of God breaking His own law.

** They were so nuts about that Pompey the Great took the Temple at Jerusalem by attacking on a Sabbath because the defenders refused to fight then.

ARGH!!!!!!
[COLOR=gray]I am NOT WICCAN!!! I am a Pagan, and not even slightly wiccan!! Wiccans who claim that their religion is ancient annoy me beyond words, seeing as their religion did not exist before the 1950's!!!
For the last time, Booby Joe, I am no more wiccan than you are mormon!!!!!!!!

And yet, you still are unaware of those ancient sources on Paganism Rachael. At lest I’ve read my religions Holy Book.

The jesus of the bible was a jew. Read all through the NT, where he is referred to countless times as a jew. And didn't you say you believe ALL the bible? If you do, then you'd have to believe the countlessly mentioned jewishness. So there.

LIES HARLOT! DISTORTIONS OF THE TRUTH™! Jesus mother was a Jew. It is impossible for Jesus to become Jewish when His Father wasn’t. The Bible also makes it very clear that heritage passes threw the father. Jesus Father is God! God is God! God therefore can not be Jewish!

[SUV]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Well, the thought of a homosexual snail is a little odd, isn't it? You'd have to wonder at the physics involved there!

Ooh....Him as a Snail, even Homer! oooh....

I shall Worship Him in any form! Any place! Please, God, please, do bring Him on!

[Brother Temperance]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Don't be ridiculous; what are you expecting? A Bible verse that says "and let it be noted that there were no queers around Jesus at any time". You're insane Van Helsing.

Out of all the illness that Jesus healed you'd think there'd be at least one homer with a diseased colon mentioned. They weren't there.

Dean

Brilliant proof of why Rachael is wrong. Leprosy is mentioned 37 times in the Bible, but there is not a single mention of AIDS or anyone trying to destroy marriage and demanding special rights, thus proving beyond all doubt that there were no queers in Jesus' day!

Don't be silly. Homosexuality is mentioned rampantly through the bible, both between men and women. The term 'sodomy', for instance? Where do you think that came from? Not the Ancient Greeks, that's for sure!
And no, he was not killed for homosexuality, but this does not mean that he didn't enjoy some special time with a special lad or laddies.

Yes, always in terms of GOD forbidding it! Why would Jesus do something He forbids? You'll be telling us that God is a liar next, I suppose.

Anyway, this whole thread is utterly vile, and proof that Hellsin is incurably filthy-minded and depraved. Why, I bet she could find homerism in verses as innocent as these:
Acts 20:36 And when he had thus spoken, he kneeled down, and prayed with them all.
37 And they all wept sore, and fell on Paul's neck, and kissed him...
1 Thessalonians 5:26 Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Please, do include the omitted comment!

The Jesus of the Bible is kind and loving and forgiving, as long as you follow Him without question!

That isn't loving and forgiving. That's 'love me or I will torture you for all eternity'. Love is more like 'no matter what, I will love you for all eternity'.

Clearly, you're blinded by your heathen hatred and can never know Jesus the way a True Christian does.

Translation:
'Clearly, you aren't brainwashed, and thus will never blindly accept what christians will try to convince you of'.

Shared a meal? Yes, I've done that deed on a couch.

I don't mean that deed. Sheesh, for some people with dirty minds you sure can be prudish. I mean the other deed. You call it fornication I believe?

How dare you call us "Fundy Duddies"!! Really, now. Who's being childish?!

I didn't. I called you 'FUDDY duddies' .

Complaining about grammar is typical when I have you pinned harlot.

Let me make it simple for you baby eater;

• Is the 1st Century Jews wanted nothing to do with the Greeks who were swamping them at the time.
• Homerism was an ancient Greek thing *
• The Jews would kill any Jew who went homer because it was a Greek thing.
• Jesus was preaching to the Jews.**
• The Jews did not kill Jesus for being a homer.

That clear enough why your assertion is retarded Rachael?

Don't be silly. Homosexuality is mentioned rampantly through the bible, both between men and women. The term 'sodomy', for instance? Where do you think that came from? Not the Ancient Greeks, that's for sure!
And no, he was not killed for homosexuality, but this does not mean that he didn't enjoy some special time with a special lad or laddies.

* The ancient Greeks considered it proper and manly in their depravity. According to the ancient Greeks the only love could be between equals and man is too much better than woman to be equal (so the ancient Greeks weren't utterly nuts***). While I know it is against your Wicker religion to read an original source on Paganism make an exception here Rachael, read the Illiad if you don't believe me.

ARGH!!!!!!
I am NOT WICCAN!!! I am a Pagan, and not even slightly wiccan!! Wiccans who claim that their religion is ancient annoy me beyond words, seeing as their religion did not exist before the 1950's!!!
For the last time, Booby Joe, I am no more wiccan than you are mormon!!!!!!!!

** Jesus however, since His dad is God, is not a Jew.
***The only proper love is between man and God.

The jesus of the bible was a jew. Read all through the NT, where he is referred to countless times as a jew. And didn't you say you believe ALL the bible? If you do, then you'd have to believe the countlessly mentioned jewishness. So there.

Shame on you, Miss Rachael! I peeked in on this thread because I thought it read as, "Jesus might have been (a) guy" and I wished to dispel all doubt in my mind Forever. And now....oh, how could you even think that about Him?!

Well, the thought of a homosexual snail is a little odd, isn't it? You'd have to wonder at the physics involved there!

[SUV]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Shame on you, Miss Rachael! I peeked in on this thread because I thought it read as, "Jesus might have been (a) guy" and I wished to dispel all doubt in my mind Forever. And now....oh, how could you even think that about Him?!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Well, the fact that the jesus of the bible is rather horrible, while a good point, isn't really relevant here.

Complaining about grammar is typical when I have you pinned harlot.

Let me make it simple for you baby eater;

• Is the 1st Century Jews wanted nothing to do with the Greeks who were swamping them at the time.
  
• Homerism was an ancient Greek thing *
  
• The Jews would kill any Jew who went homer because it was a Greek thing.
  
• Jesus was preaching to the Jews.**
  
• The Jews did not kill Jesus for being a homer.

That clear enough why your assertion is retarded Rachael?

* The ancient Greeks considered it proper and manly in their depravity. According to the ancient Greeks the only love could be between equals and man is too much better than woman to be equal (so the ancient Greeks weren't utterly nuts***). While I know it is against your Wicker religion to read an original source on Paganism make an exception here Rachael, read the Illiad if you don't believe me.

** Jesus however, since His dad is God, is not a Jew.

***The only proper love is between man and God.

Back in old days, a couch was often considered the same thing as a bed. And it can be used the same way. What, are you telling me you've never....umm....done the deed on a couch? Or a chair for that matter?

I am not going to feed you depravity harlot!

[OnYourKnees]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Ok, go back and read over that, BJ. I dare you to make less sense.
There's something just weird about the way those sentences are structured.

Well, the fact that the jesus of the bible is rather horrible, while a good point, isn't really relevant here.

The Jesus of the Bible is kind and loving and forgiving, as long as you follow Him without question!

Clearly, you're blinded by your heathen hatred and can never know Jesus the way a True Christian does.

Back in old days, a couch was often considered the same thing as a bed. And it can be used the same way. What, are you telling me you've never....umm....done the deed on a couch? Or a chair for that matter?

Shared a meal? Yes, I've done that deed on a couch.

Why thankyou, Twink dear.
I find it funny how we heathens can grasp things so quickly yet these fundy duddies simply cannot.

How dare you call us "Fundy Duddies"!! Really, now. Who's being childish?!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

That was the Greeks. The ancient Jews were very militantly not Greek, ever heard of Simon Maccabee? When Alexander the Great conquered Persia in the 4th Century BC Judah when to the Seleucids, one the Macedonian successor states. Simon Maccabee led a very successful revolt against the Seleucids in 2nd century BC and established the Jewish kingdom that Harod the Great was ruling when Jesus was born.

Now if Jesus was effecting a Greek habit like homerism, or boy botheringa Persian habit, both of the two groups the Jews hated don’t you think with His Holy message of rational Biblical family values have been laughed out of town if not stoned out right? No, He wasn’t. Why? Because He was the Son of God so He could homer! PRAISE!

Ok, go back and read over that, BJ. I dare you to make less sense.
There's something just weird about the way those sentences are structured.

,…Against accommodating the pagan Greeks. You forget that Jesus was rebuking the Jews for letting themselves go soft with sissy pagan ways like not beating rebellious children to death.

Well, the fact that the jesus of the bible is rather horrible, while a good point, isn't really relevant here.

A couch is not the same as a bed. He was sharing His seat with another man. Now how could Jesus talk about salvation with a woman next to Him? She would just keep on interrupting Him with some inane prattle about local village gossip, who the local witch poisoned, who the neighbors wife has been harloting herself to. You know, typical petty girly stuff. Jesus would never get a word in about life eternal edgewise if a woman had been involved.

Back in old days, a couch was often considered the same thing as a bed. And it can be used the same way. What, are you telling me you've never....umm....done the deed on a couch? Or a chair for that matter?

Great points Rachael, love!! And the defense of the bible thumpers here is obviously WEAK at best. Now, love, I think I'll go find myself a youth in a loincloth and someone to lay on my breast, LMAO!! old

Hey, JESUS did it so WHY can't I????

Why thankyou, Twink dear.
I find it funny how we heathens can grasp things so quickly yet these fuddy duddies simply cannot.

[TwinkBoy]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Great points Rachael, love!! And the defense of the bible thumpers here is obviously WEAK at best. Now, love, I think I'll go find myself a youth in a loincloth and someone to lay on my breast, LMAO!!

Hey, JESUS did it so WHY can't I????

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Yeah, and in ancient times, like in Ancient Sparta, men were quite openly homosexual
You want to know what their equivalent of male bonding was?

That was the Greeks. The ancient Jews were very militantly not Greek, ever heard of Simon Maccabee? When Alexander the Great conquered Persia in the 4th Century BC Judah when to the Seleucids, one the Macedonian successor states. Simon Maccabee led a very successful revolt against the Seleucids in 2nd century BC and established the Jewish kingdom that Harod the Great was ruling when Jesus was born.

Now if Jesus was effecting a Greek habit like homerism, or boy botheringa Persian habit, both of the two groups the Jews hated don’t you think with His Holy message of rational Biblical family values have been laughed out of town if not stoned out right? No, He wasn’t. Why? Because He was the Son of God so He couldn't homer! PRAISE!

1) The jesus of the bible didn't seem to have interest in 'saving' so much as sowing war and discord.

,…Against accommodating the pagan Greeks. You forget that Jesus was rebuking the Jews for letting themselves go soft with sissy pagan ways like not beating rebellious children to death.

2) As much could be accomplished by sharing his bed with boys as with a woman. Except the boy wouldn't get pregnant.

A couch is not the same as a bed. He was sharing His seat with another man. Now how could Jesus talk about salvation with a woman next to Him? She would just keep on interrupting Him with some inane prattle about local village gossip, who the local witch poisoned, who the neighbors wife has been harloting herself to. You know, typical petty girly stuff. Jesus would never get a word in about life eternal edgewise if a woman had been involved.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

In the ancient world it was customary for men to lay while eating two a couch. Jesus was just showing the ancient world’s equivalent of male bonding. It is not like Christ slipped his disciple some tongue and fondled his buttocks. Shame on you Rachael for suggesting this.

Yeah, and in ancient times, like in Ancient Sparta, men were quite openly homosexual
You want to know what their equivalent of male bonding was?

What, do you think Christ made Himself flesh just to waist his time with a possibly souless woman? Would you rather scenes of Christ sucking face with Marry Magdoline like that stupid book suggests. How could He possibly save mankind by laying with women.

1) The jesus of the bible didn't seem to have interest in 'saving' so much as sowing war and discord.
2) As much could be accomplished by sharing his bed with boys as with a woman. Except the boy wouldn't get pregnant.

Don't be ridiculous; what are you expecting? A Bible verse that says "and let it be noted that there were no queers around Jesus at any time". You're insane Van Helsing.

Exactly. Zeke made that claim, therefore I'd like to know just how that claim could be supported.

Out of all the illness that Jesus healed you'd think there'd be at least one homer with a diseased colon mentioned. They weren't there.

Just because no 'infected colons' were mentioned as such is not proof that there was no homosexuality at the time. How ridiculous!

[Deaner]

Re: It seems jesus might have been gay!

Can you back that up with scripture? (As you always use that to back you up in all your other thoughts!)

Don't be ridiculous; what are you expecting? A Bible verse that says "and let it be noted that there were no queers around Jesus at any time". You're insane Van Helsing.

Out of all the illness that Jesus healed you'd think there'd be at least one homer with a diseased colon mentioned. They weren't there.

Dean