[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

now now, don't play God. for only He knows the where His children will end up.

Now, don't play stupid.
God has dictated, in black and white, clear as crystal..
That He has no love for sodomites, and that sodomites are going to hell.

I'm not playing God, I only say what His holy word say.
Why do you try to reshape God? Make a God in your own image?
If you loved God, you would love Him for who'm He is, not who'm you'd want Him to be.

Not to mention that you would respect His will and obey His commandments...

you totally twisted what i said around! in short i said my beliefs are that i don't believe in sex before marriage and that "abominations" apply only to israelites, and even then i believe it's optional because those things israelites were to be kept from (eg. shaving, etc) were merely to keep them "pure" as they were basically of Jesus' race, but He never said israelites only go to heaven if they are "pure"!

Look homer, homersexuality is still regarded an abomination in the NT, that's well after God has turned His back on the jews, as they turned their back on Jesus.
Face facts, there is nothing in the Bible to support your vile lifestyle choice, nor your arguments.

my fellow christians may hate me, but my Lord does not.

Chapter and verse!
Give me a verse that says He love sodomites, there is only verses stating the opposite.

Now.. God is love.
But He only loves those who comes to repentance; you refuse to repent and accept Jesus and so you will not receive Salvation.
Jesus came to call all sinners to repentence, not to be used as an excuse to sin even more.

and i quote from the 10 commandments, "thou shalt not kill."

When you read the context (which you obviously don't), it's obvious that it means that you shouldn't commit MURDER.
Carrying out punishment dictated in the Law isn't murder, or do you believe that everyone who carries out executions in this great nation is a murderer?

Or are you saying that the infallibe Word of God contradicts itself?
No, it's you who contradict God.

And I thought you lieberal hippie-dippy "christians" ignored the OT (from which the ten commandments come), yet here you are, trying to refer to it..
Or rather.. the parts that you can twist for your own purporses.

just because something is missing from the Bible does not mean it will get you into hell. for example, there is box of cheerios on my desk. however there is no mention as to whether or not it is okay to eat cheerios in the bible. so does that mean anyone who eats cheerios will go to hell?

What a dumb argument, since there are lots of verses condemning homersexuality and those who practice it to hell..
But you say that if you would marry a man and THEN sodomise him, that makes it better?
That's like saying it would be better to have sex with an animal (which is also forbidden) if you marry it!
Do you think at all before you write?

[Poetic Peter]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

Let's see: This youth is a virgin. He's still got a chance to do the right thing.

Gay marriage is not a right thing.

Making up personal interpretations from the HANDBOOK of GOD is not a right thing to do.

The youth still has a chance.

He's not a fag until he teabags


Here's a seal of our approval for you

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

define true christian.. i am a christian myself. i don't see how one can be a false christian unless they go to church but don't believe in God lol! kinda defeats the purpose. =P
You can also be a false Christian if you go to Church but don't follow God's commands. Sound familiar? See the verses posted by SS above.
also you are not without sin. EVERYONE SINS.

Incorrect. Everyone has sinned, those who are Born Again in Christ sin no more (1 John 3:6-9, 1 John 5:18), how many times do we have to have this argument?

if we are all born straight, why are there gay animals?
Lies of the liberal media.

once again i am a virgin.
As those verses I posted show, God does not make a distinction between lusting after someone and actually fornicating with them - it's all equally despicable to Him.


i don't wear leather. AND I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. and who's to say i cannot have both eternal peace as well as a loving husband? lol.
Do you abstain completely from the use of all animal products? In that case, you are a vegan, and a lying one at that, since you denied it earlier. Or do you use some animal products, and not others, in which case you're simply a common-or-garden hypocrite? If you're not an athiest, and you recognise that God exists and sends people to Hell for defying him, why do you continue to do so? If you became a Christian, you could have eternal peace and a loving wife; wanting a husband as well is just greedy.


...what the hell? i'm not even married, so how can i commit adultery? lol.
You agree that all fornication outside marriage is wrong? The point of that verse was to show that God disapproves of lustful thoughts as well as lustful actions. It doesn't matter if you abstain from sodomy in practise if you continue to desire it in your heart.


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people refer to this verse a lot... here is a snippet from gaychristian.net
Friend, skipping over the fact that gaychristian.net makes about as much sense as africanamericanklansmen.org, that garbage essentially just states that God's children are meant to follow certain rules in order to set themselves apart from the rest of the world. That is correct. Why do you think that God has somehow abolished all these rules? Where in the New Testament does Jesus say "Oh, btw, all those rules my Father gave you before? They're all just so much toilet paper now"? Time and again, we've given you proof that the NT condemns sodomy just as much as the Old - why do you keep dodging these verses?

where?

In those verses we've posted again and again throughout the entire thread, that's where!

well technically i have adressed 18:20 (or is it 18:22? i really can't remember) with that quote i posted. i can find several more interpretations of the verse if i wanted to but i'm getting really tired of this [profanity removed] site.

And as for all the other verses? And as for the fact that that quote did nothing to disprove our arguments?

anyway, i believe "sodomy" (as you call it) is only a sin if done out of wedlock. why? because Jesus only called it an abomination. he did not say you would go to hell for doing it. and Jesus never defined "abomination" either, however as you can see in the quote from gaychristian.net that an abomination in Hebrew terms refers to anything unsuitable for israelites. nowadays abomination means "an action that is vicious or vile" ... well, some can argue that for example breaking a window on purpose is vicious and eating gross food is vile. will people who do either/or go to hell? nah.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...
The New Testament clearly states that your kind will not be allowed into Heaven. That doesn't really give you many other options, does it? There is nothing in the Bible to support gay marriage!
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
WIFE! Not husband, WIFE! Why would Jesus allow abominations into Heaven when His Father (who is also Him) says they should be KILLED?

oh sorry, do you have lunch with God every wednesday afternoon or something and personally ask Him which of His children He hates and which He likes? lol. no one can be 100% as to what God thinks of them. but i'm pretty sure He loves us all...

No. He left us a book explaining what He thinks of His children, and which ones He will send to Hell. In this book, He explains that He hates sodomy, and those who practise it go to Hell. Are you calling Him a liar?

now now, don't play God. for only He knows the where His children will end up.
See my previous response. He wrote a book to tell us what He will do to His children, and the outlook isn't good for you.

you totally twisted what i said around! in short i said my beliefs are that i don't believe in sex before marriage and that "abominations" apply only to israelites, and even then i believe it's optional because those things israelites were to be kept from (eg. shaving, etc) were merely to keep them "pure" as they were basically of Jesus' race, but He never said israelites only go to heaven if they are "pure"!

But gays can't get married! It doesn't say "lie with a man BEFORE MARRIAGE", it calls it a sin full stop! It doesn't say sodomy is optional, it says it's deserving of the death penalty! 1 Corinthians 6!

my fellow christians may hate me, but my Lord does not.

Regardless of whether He hates or loves you, He still condemns you to eternal torture.

and i quote from the 10 commandments, "thou shalt not kill."

So do you think that God contradicts Himself?

just because something is missing from the Bible does not mean it will get you into hell. for example, there is box of cheerios on my desk. however there is no mention as to whether or not it is okay to eat cheerios in the bible. so does that mean anyone who eats cheerios will go to hell?

The Bible does not deal extensively with breakfast cereals. It does deal extensively with morality and sexual mores. Your analogy is as false as your supposed "christianity."

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

now now, don't play God. for only He knows the where His children will end up.

I'm sorry to say, but the xtian bible condemns homosexuals to 'hell'. The fact is, like I said before, you xtians take the bible as the literal word of your god, correct?
In which case, you can't pick and choose. As others have quoted here, your book also says that to fail in one aspect is to fail in all. Deny it all you like, you follow a religion which condemns you to eternal torment, whichever way you slice it.

you totally twisted what i said around! in short i said my beliefs are that i don't believe in sex before marriage and that "abominations" apply only to israelites, and even then i believe it's optional because those things israelites were to be kept from (eg. shaving, etc) were merely to keep them "pure" as they were basically of Jesus' race, but He never said israelites only go to heaven if they are "pure"!

Now who is twisting things around? You're adding 2+2 and coming up with 72. The bible does not say 'this applies only to Israelites'. It merely says 'this applies'. (Well not in those exact words but it does not specify things to israelites only.
You can twist it any way you want, but the fact remains that homosexuality is condemned in the bible, and that you religion condemns to burn forever.
You cannot change the meaning of the bible to suit you. That would be like someone saying 'oh, it's only murder if I kill someone before getting a gun license. Once I have a gun license, It's legal for me to have the gun, so it's perfectly ok to go round shooting people as I please, the law won't mind, I have a gun license!'

my fellow christians may hate me, but my Lord does not.

And just how do you know that? According to your beliefs the bible dictates what your deity does and does not hate, and homosexuality is one of the things clearly mentioned as 'hated'. What do you think 'abomination' means, anyway? It doesn't mean 'silly little mistake, easily overlooked'. It means ABOMINATION:
(From Dictionary.com)

a·bom·i·na·tion /əˌbɒməˈneɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-bom-uh-ney-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1.anything abominable; anything greatly disliked or abhorred. 2.intense aversion or loathing; detestation: He regarded lying with abomination. 3.a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.: Spitting in public is an abomination.

and i quote from the 10 commandments, "thou shalt not kill."

And I quote from the verse of Leviticus you seem so keen to ignore:

Leviticus 20:13
13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Clearly, the commandments come with certain loopholes.

just because something is missing from the Bible does not mean it will get you into hell. for example, there is box of cheerios on my desk. however there is no mention as to whether or not it is okay to eat cheerios in the bible. so does that mean anyone who eats cheerios will go to hell?

The bible is missing nothing about its stance on homosexuals. It repeatedly condemns it, and those who practice it, to 'hell'.

Out of curiosity, are you also a masochist?

[Talitha]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

WOW Rachael!!

If you keep up the good work rebuking Sinners we'll be saving you a place at Church (outside with the Trash of course).
Deuteronomy 4:29
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

Well, this person reminds me of the person claiming the bible supports evolution. It takes a special kind of brainwashed to believe that the bible supports evolution or homosexuality. As someone who believes in evolution AND supports gay rights/marriage, I recognize that the bible clearly does not.

[Talitha]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

Sometimes Rachael you do start to talk sense. Not for long, I have to say, but from time to time.
THEN you go and spoil it all by supporting Sodomy and Evilution in the same Post.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

Well, I AM a heathen. What do you expect?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

Well, I AM a heathen. What do you expect?

A nice, roaring fire and all the children with marshmallows on sticks. Your fiery farewell will be celebrated with s'mores.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

A nice, roaring fire and all the children with marshmallows on sticks.

Sister M&Ms, you know how disturbing I find it when you quote Van Cannibal's cookbook. <shudder>

But Rachael makes our point for us. The Bible condemns homosexuality. Period.

So if frivolous wants to be a "gay Christian", or a "lying Christian", or a "stealing Christian", or a "polyester-blend-wearing Christian", he can go right ahead. He'll be just another FALSE Christian, deluding himself into thinking that he can decide what God believes instead of doing what He has clearly stated in His Word.

[TwinkBoy]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

I want a firery farwell. I don't think sweet Rachael should be the only one getting such a fanfare...snicker..snicker. Hmmm...and I love roasted marshmellows!!

Seriously, in reading this thread I never imagined you TC's really hate all other Christians as much as you hate us pagans. Boy! Talk about consummed by hatred!! And to finish up just let me say that I do NOT think homosexuality is a sin be one a Christian or not!!

Chow loves!

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

Sister M&Ms, you know how disturbing I find it when you quote Van Cannibal's cookbook. <shudder>

Oh Brother OYK, you know what I mean!

I want a firery farwell. I don't think sweet Rachael should be the only one getting such a fanfare...snicker..snicker. Hmmm...and I love roasted marshmellows!!

Seriously, in reading this thread I never imagined you TC's really hate all other Christians as much as you hate us pagans. Boy! Talk about consummed by hatred!! And to finish up just let me say that I do NOT think homosexuality is a sin be one a Christian or not!!

Chow loves!

The only reason you'd get fire instead of stones is so your AIDS-tainted blood doesn't going flying all over the place.

[Brother Love]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

Oh your going to get a FIERY FAREWELL alright Twinkie Boy! Believe me YOU ARE and SOONER than you think! And I agree with Sister Mary Maria that stoning is NOT a good idea because then your AIDS tainted blood would infect all of the Lord's executioners and we WON'T stand for that!

BURN TWINKIE, BURN!!

[Brother John]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

Polyester? That wasn't even around back then.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin (Unless you're Christian)

Polyester? That wasn't even around back then.

There's nothing wrong with polyester. The problem is with polyester blends. Or wool blends, anything of that sort. God says:

1. Leviticus 19:19
   Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.
   
   
2. Deuteronomy 22:11
   Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

It's not something False Christians talk about much, as pure cotton requires far more ironing than cotton/polyester blends. So, they sweep it under the rug, much as they do with all the other inconvenient parts of God's Word.

Twink, we do not hate False Christians. We hate the fact that they ignore and/or "interpret" parts of God's Word and then delude trusting children and adults into following their false doctrines straight into Hell! How could we not hate that?