[Virginia Day Templeton]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

i cannot take you seriously until i see sites like these dedicated to abolishing rabbits, tattoos, etc.

Is the Oklahoma State Legislature good enough?

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

i'm gay, not a rapist. there is a difference.

All sins cause you to be equally deserving of Hell. And I think you won't enjoy being eternally flaming

if you are born straight, that is.

You are born straight. Being gay is a choice! Just look at Ted Haggard - for awhile he chose to put men's tallywhackers in his mouth, and he now chooses not to. It's that simple!

well other than claiming homosexuality is a sin, i've glanced through your articles and you people claim God will damn you to hell if He catches you on the toilet when He returns to earth. lol.

We are to be prepared for Jesus' return. Being caught on the toilet doing the dirty business is no way to herald the return of the King! I would damn me to hell for being that discourteous!

i worship God and His son only... if i don't capitalize His name sometimes it's because i never capitalize anything. geez, ever heard of typos?

Typos are generally caused by Satan. If you were of God, then your typing would be immaculate. Typos are the equivalent of the homosexual lisp -- an abomination to God.

see the original post... you people tend to ignore john 3:16 and lev 19:18.

You ignore the rest of the Bible. We merely see the bigger picture, that God loves those that love Him! You ignore the fact that He hates your lifestyle because it makes you feel all sad inside.

bush will be gone 2009. :3

Don't count your chickens before they hatch, my friend. The Patriot Act is an amazing thing!

hate is a sin and God is free of sin. therefore God cannot hate but can only love. =)

Show me where in the Bible that it says that God is not allowed to hate? In fact, God often burns with hate at many people (the Jewishes, Muslimers and such). God is a jealous God, and as such hates those that don't Love Him. I suggest you get your facts straight!

actually i can prove i am a christian simply by expressing my respect for Him and the fact that i accept He is real, whereas it would be impossible for me to prove i am a toaster or a pile of tires (unless i was really good at photoshop lol!)

Oh behave. Stop being such a homer, it sickens me. Just claiming to respect Jesus doesn't mean that you are a Christian Remember, even Satan Himself respects Jesus -- will we be seeing him in Heaven? I think not.

i would never kill an animal...

Then you're a hippie vegan? No wonder you're a faggit.

do you lie to your kids about santa clause? you have sinned. do you fantasize about bedding women? you have sinned. all people sin, it is inevitable.

But through the grace of Jesus we are forgiven because we repent and change. I can assure you that we here at Landover most certainly do not lie to our kids about Satan Claws. We tell them just what he is: a symbol set up by Satan to try to deceive those weak in their faith. In fact we even have our annual "Beat Back Satan" run through the nearest malls to send these homos back to where they belong: Satan's lair

pre-marital, though. i plan to stay a virgin until i am married.

Again, let us praise Jesus that the Godly George W. Bush will never let this happen on HIS watch!

as you made up homosexuality being an abomination. now we're even.

We made that up?!

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Well, that cleared that up. Let us not be accusing True Christians of fraud, my friend. Buy yourself a Bible and put it on the nightstand where the AsstroGlide is now. Then maybe you'll read it.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

well other than claiming homosexuality is a sin...as you made up homosexuality being an abomination.

We made it up? We lied about it? We've quoted chapter and verse from the Bible showing exactly where it is, right here in this thread. We can do so again if you'd like, and just from the New Testament!

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Seriously, you feelgood "Christians" might has well toss the Bible away and just follow a John 3:16 pamphlet. Because I'm in a good mood, let's throw in some OT...

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

You claim we made that up, but there it is, right out of the Bible. Go look it up yourself. Your claim that we made it up is either a foul lie, or your brain is so addled by Satan and sin that you refuse to accept that it's really there, and maybe when you read it what you see is "Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt lie with mankind, womankind, sheepkind, or any kind! None of it is an abomination, honey!"

Oh, but there is more.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

So why would God think sodomy is an abomination deserving of death one year, and He's just fine with it the next? Do you really think He's that whimsical? He's a flip-flopper? Or do Sodomites have their own special Bible where they write that He was recruited into your lifestyle?

Deuteronomy23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel,nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
23:18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Oh dear, the Bible isn't clear at all about how God feels about Sodomites! Well, it was to Saul.

1 Samuel 20:30 Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness?

But we're just making this up! God is a loving God who loves everyone and all people need to do is say they believe in Jesus and we will all go to heaven!

1 Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

Nobody ever called it an abomination before us!

1 Kings 15:11 And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD,as did David his father.
15:12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

Why do you even bother with the Bible, considering that you believe it was mostly written by Landover Baptist Church and sent back in time. You did say we made the whole abomination thing up, so this must be what you believe.

Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Go hide under your covers with your John 3:16 pamphlet and keep telling yourself that God is just fine with your disgusting ways. We're in the End Times, and your eyes will be opened to the truth very, very soon.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

i'm gay, not a rapist. there is a difference.

Not when the discussion regards being able to control your behavior. Or are you saying you can't control your behavior?

Perhaps you're too well-trained to typical Homer knee-jerk reactions, when you hear "rapist" or "pedophile" do you automatically yell, "IT WASN'T ME, I WASN'T EVEN THERE!!"

if you are born straight, that is.

Everybody is born straight. If not, you're claiming God creates innocent people who are born as abominations to Himself. For what purpose? He saves that for idolators, and then He casts them into Hell.

well other than claiming homosexuality is a sin, i've glanced through your articles and you people claim God will damn you to hell if He catches you on the toilet when He returns to earth. lol.

I must have missed that article. Perhaps it was condemning the inexcusable use of 5-gallon flush toilets; wastefulness is surely sinful.

However, the Bible tells us that sodomy is a sin. Sister M&Ms has already posted the relevant verses.

i worship God and His son only... if i don't capitalize His name sometimes it's because i never capitalize anything. geez, ever heard of typos?

If you "never capitalize anything", it's not a typo, it's intentional. A "typo" is a "typographical error", meaning an accidental striking or skipping of a key while typing. SO which is it? You either made a typo, or you intentionally disrespect God and Jesus by not capitalizing His Name.

see the original post... you people tend to ignore john 3:16 and lev 19:18.

We ignore no part of the Bible. You, however, seem to ignore whatever's inconvenient for you. Like being forbidden to taste the forbidden fruit, whatever his name might be.

hate is a sin and God is free of sin. therefore God cannot hate but can only love. =)

Show us where in the Bible it says that God cannot hate (we can show you 25+ instances where it says He does hate) and where it says He "only loves" humans.

Sounds like some typical False Christian Wishful Thinking to me. Rewrite the Bible to say whatever you want and turn God from the wrathful war God of Vengeance that He is into some doobie-tokin' corksoakin' hippie!

actually i can prove i am a christian simply by expressing my respect for Him and the fact that i accept He is real, whereas it would be impossible for me to prove i am a toaster or a pile of tires (unless i was really good at photoshop lol!)

You would only prove you are a Christian by loving Jesus enough to obey His Law. You show that you hate Him by denying His Law.

i would never kill an animal...

Then you must be a vegan, correct? No wonder you think you're a Homer. You're eating too much soy, and the phytoestrogens are throwing off your hormonal balance. Get some meat in your mouth, boy!

do you lie to your kids about santa claus? you have sinned. do you fantasize about bedding women? you have sinned. all people sin, it is inevitable.

No. We tell our kids that the very idea of a fat, bearded man floating around the North Pole, peeping in on billions of children throughout the world like some perverted voyeur, taking notes on all their behavior as they eat, sleep, bathe, change clothes, etc., then rewarding them all in one night with material possessions is a ludicrous concept. We do not raise our children to be gullible fools; did your parents lie to YOU about Santa Claus? Since you seem to believe you can change God's Word at will, I can only assume you're prone to believing whatever fantastic lies you're told.

pre-marital, though. i plan to stay a virgin until i am married.

Homosexual marriage does not exist in the eyes of God, as men laying with men or women laying with women is an abomination unto Him. Even if you live in a state or country (you do sound rather Canadian) where homosexual marriage is permitted, it means nothing to God and is still sodomous fornication.

Marriage is between one man and one (or more) women ONLY.

wow that was an ignorant comment. so only furries own bunnies as pets??

You're the one slowly stroking his bunny's soft fur, perhaps letting it rub against your . . . er, FACE, while typing one-handed online. I can only guess what sort of perversions you're into.

and that site is a joke. in fact, the owner himself IS a furry! lol.

Really, so the guy spends all his time making furries look ludicrous and condemning them as zoophiles-in-training, and you say he is one himself?! I guess that means you know him, eh? Do you dress up as Thumper for him, while he does Bambi?

as you made up homosexuality being an abomination. now we're even.

Sorry, son. God made up sodomy being an abomination. Sister M&Ms quoted the verses for you; I suggest you look them up.

We're not here to condemn and judge; we just want to see you straighten up and get cured so you don't have to burn in Hell with all the furries and flamers.

Kindly quote from the Bible when explaining why you think sodomy is not an abomination before God, and why you think that all Levitical law is no longer applicable. Surely your Pastor Feelgood (or, in your case, maybe it's Pastor Feelyougood; do you go to a Lesbyterian or MCC church, perhaps?) can help you with your research.

Failing that, maybe www.bible.com can help, or wikipedia.

FYI, we use the King James Version (1611) here.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

i'm gay, not a rapist. there is a difference.

No there isn't; both are giving into their sexual urges. It is only the thin line of values that God's grace imposes on us humans that keeps the streets from turning into unspeakable scenes of mass man on man rape! For love of Jesus friend get back in line with the rest of us and don't leave an opening in the ranks for Satan to exploit!

[Rev. Dr. Davidson]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

You kept asking about the dietary laws and such. You also keep quoting John and Leviticus.

John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

Try reading John 7 for starters. If that doesn't convinve you, I'll refer you to....

ACTS 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

So we see that Peter was told to eat of those things formerly restricted.

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

[frivolous (On Moderation)]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

All sins cause you to be equally deserving of Hell.

then wouldn't heaven be empty?

You are born straight. Being gay is a choice!

sooo wrong. if i chose to be gay, when did you choose to be straight? did you wake up one day an asexual and decided then and there that you would magically make yourself attracted to the opposite sex? sounds skeptical.

Typos are the equivalent of the homosexual lisp -- an abomination to God.

good thing i have no lisp.

You ignore the rest of the Bible.

wrong.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch, my friend. The Patriot Act is an amazing thing!

the 23rd amendment is also an amazing thing! there is a 100% guarantee bush will be GONE 2009. =)

Show me where in the Bible that it says that God is not allowed to hate? In fact, God often burns with hate at many people (the Jewishes, Muslimers and such). God is a jealous God, and as such hates those that don't Love Him. I suggest you get your facts straight!

God loves the sinner and hates the sin... being jewish, gay, etc. is not a sin. it's just who you are! God made me this way and i praise Him for that.

Then you're a hippie vegan? No wonder you're a faggit.

i am merely a pro-life vegetarian... and don't use the word "faggot." a faggot is a bundle of sticks, and if you use it as an insult you just make yourself look foolish.

Bush will never let this happen on HIS watch!

once again, praise Jesus for the 23rd amendment...

We made it up? We lied about it? We've quoted chapter and verse from the Bible showing exactly where it is, right here in this thread. We can do so again if you'd like, and just from the New Testament!

God already expressed his distaste in premarital sex and i respect that.. no need to tell me over and over, i already said i was celibate till the ring was on my finger!

We're not here to condemn and judge

then why has someone on this very thread said that gays are not people?

No there isn't; both are giving into their sexual urges.

once again, i'm a virgin.

[frivolous (On Moderation)]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

ok i didn't see a way to edit my post, but i meant the 22nd amendment, not the 23rd. :]

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

You ignore the rest of the Bible.

wrong.

Really?
So you don't ignore this then, you reading-impaired abominaton..

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 18:22

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

then wouldn't heaven be empty?

No. We True Christians™ are without sin. Are you stupid as well as hellbound?

sooo wrong. if i chose to be gay, when did you choose to be straight? did you wake up one day an asexual and decided then and there that you would magically make yourself attracted to the opposite sex? sounds skeptical.

No. We are all born heterosexual. At some point, the liberal media brainwashed you into defying God by rejecting all that is natural and good and embracing hot, sweaty manlove. Sounds despicable.

good thing i have no lisp.

Good start. Just a pity you have yet to give up sodomy.

wrong.

Just saying something's wrong, doesn't stop it being true.

the 23rd amendment is also an amazing thing! there is a 100% guarantee bush will be GONE 2009. =)

Habeas corpus and the 6th amendment are yet more amazing things. There is a 100% guarantee that you have the right to a lawyer and a fair trial. Oh, wait a second, were those two sentences in the present tense? Oh, silly me, I meant to say "WERE" and "WAS".

God loves the sinner and hates the sin... being jewish, gay, etc. is not a sin. it's just who you are! God made me this way and i praise Him for that.

God hates the sin and sends the sinner to Hell. If you want to praise God for choosing to condemn you to eternal damnation, that's your choice, but it seems a pretty queer one to me.

i am merely a pro-life vegetarian... and don't use the word "faggot." a faggot is a bundle of sticks, and if you use it as an insult you just make yourself look foolish.

What, so it's horrible and wrong to kill an animal for food, but perfectly fine to kill one for clothing? What a strange "morality" you atheists have. And you call us foolish? Friend, we're not the ones choosing sodomy over eternal paradise.

once again, praise Jesus for the 23rd amendment...

Once again, praise Jesus for the Cheney/Hargrove slate in 08.

God already expressed his distaste in premarital sex and i respect that.. no need to tell me over and over, i already said i was celibate till the ring was on my finger!

You're disgusting. And besides,
Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

once again, i'm a virgin.

And if you manage to stay one till you die, there may be some hope for you yet.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

God already expressed his distaste in premarital sex and i respect that.. no need to tell me over and over, i already said i was celibate till the ring was on my finger!

This is truly bizarre. I know there are millions of salad bar "Christians" in this world, but they usually ignore all of God's laws that aren't also secular laws. So why do you respect His disgust for fornication, but revel in the abomination of homosexuality? Twice now in this thread I've shown you exactly where in the New Testament sodomy is condemned, and once in the Old Testament. You never respond though, but instead talk about a ring on your finger. Nowhere in the Bible does God say sodomy is okay as long as the participants are "married" to each other.
There are more and more ex-gays in the world, and the number is growing every day. But instead of putting the work into making yourself right with God, you'd rather continue to pretend that He didn't call your lifestyle an abomination and unnatural.
Pull your head out of the sand before it's too late!

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

You never respond though, but instead talk about a ring on your finger.

I'm pretty sure we don't even want to know what he REALLY means by that!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

i am merely a pro-life vegetarian... and don't use the word "faggot." a faggot is a bundle of sticks, and if you use it as an insult you just make yourself look foolish.

Sticks burn. Like sinners in hell.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

I am a gay Christian. I love God. God loves me. He made me gay. Why would He damn me for something I can't control?

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." -John 3:16

"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD." -Lev 19:18

Most of you will probably refer me to the Leviticus verse declaring homosexuality as an abomination before the Lord. Guess what else this chapter lists as abominations before the Lord?
1. Tattoos
2. Polyester
3. Working on Saturday
4. Hamburgers
5. Bunnies
6. Shaving
7. Shrimp
8. Vegetable gardens

You can continue believing I will go to hell for being gay, but I know in my heart that God loves me for who I am. He loves all his children, and would never send them to hell because of something they are born with.

Also, happy Valentine's Day to everyone.

As a Pagan and a Liberal I of course do not agree with these people's beliefs but let's focus on the liberal part for a second. I completely support gay rights, but the bible does not support them any more than it supports evolution. I'm sorry, but you believe in a religion which would damn you:

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Sorry to tell you, but your book both calls you an abomination and says you should be put into death into the bargain. Like I said, as a Pagan and a Liberal I do not even slightly share these views, or believe in your god, but I must ask, why would you believe in a religion which makes you out to be the lowest of the low?
How does that make you feel good about yourself?

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Homosexuality is not a sin

Like I said, as a Pagan and a Liberal I do not even slightly share these views, or believe in your god, but I must ask, why would you believe in a religion which makes you out to be the lowest of the low?
How does that make you feel good about yourself?

So you admit that, for liberals, the only criteria for deciding whether something's true or not is whether it makes you feel good?