[angels]

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If that's the case, your family shuns your for your religious beliefs, you probably should stay away from them.

I already have decided to do that. Just because they don't believe, doesn't make me a nutcase because I do.!

So today I am with the Lord and he'll guide me. I can't go wrong with his backing.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Mr. Hutchins. Thankyou, for the sound advice.

Yesterday, after prayers, I went to my sisters home, and was very polite, I asked her why she doesn't want me around ?. Why she ignores me and tries to look like the perfect daughter?. Her answer has really upset me. All of my family think i'm a loon, ( her words ). When I asked why?. She replied with a cruel tone in her voice, that all the God stuff that I've always spoken of makes them all think I'm as mad as a March hare.!! She also says that while I'm spouting nonsense, my Father is getting more and more ill, and she says that I should be more concerned over dad.How much more can I do?. I am not coddling my Father anymore,I love him, but I am not pitying him.
So the only thing I've done wrong is to believe in Jesus, and to love Our Lord. This has hurt me deeply. But my love of God will not be changed by anyone. So if they don't like my way then I will stay away from them.After all at least I have Jesus in my heart.He is all I need.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Have you thought about this Scripture anymore, angels?

[angels]

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Right. This is one of the hardest sentences I have ever written.

With the support of Jesus and the good people here.

I am hating my family. They do not understand, nor want to even try and understand that I want to be with Jesus.

So Pastor. Yes I have given it great thought. Thankyou for helping me.

[JUAN GARCIA, repulsive dago queer]

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Have you thought about this Scripture anymore, angels?

Your characterization may have some merit BUT, you apply it to ALL men who experience same-gender-affection, which is not synonymous with Anal sex. My advice is that you read your Bible, and learn God's law - rightly divide the word - and separate BEHAVIOR from the things that God does not prohibit. Read the story of David & Jonathan. Surely they didn't engage in sexual fetishes offensive to God, but they also were closer - their souls were knit to one another - than average 'friends'.

[Meek and Humble]

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You must have a really filthy mind to have to read something sexual into innocent friendship.

[godsaves]

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God says that those who are sinless go to Heaven, and he will torture everyone else for ever and ever in the Hell He has created for that purpose.

Actually, A) we can not know for sure who goes to Hell, only God knows that and the only sure way of going to Hell that is stated in the bible is to commit the unforgivable sin.

LUKE 12:10, "And everyone that says a word against the Son of Man, that will be forgiven; But he that blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."

[Meek and Humble]

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No, dying in sin sends you to hell. You can't be forgiven of your sins after you die, you have to ask for forgiveness in this life. What Jesus means is that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only sin He won't forgive anyone of.

[godsaves]

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Thats what I meant, if you for some reason or another sin, and you are truly sorry, and pray for God's forgiveness, He will forgive you. But how do we know that you can't ask for forgiveness in the next life?

[Ishmael]

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Perhaps they would be more willing to convert and become straight if they were shown more compassion by Christians?

Reading through many of the posts on this thread, I have learned a lot. Much has confirmed what I already thought, but nevertheless I feel I must question the notion that compassion involves accepting the unacceptable. God is quite clear in his message to us, the word is written. Homosexuals will burn in the fires of hell.

Is compassion embracing these degenerates as if they were normal, knowing they will burn ? I would say it is telling them the truth of the Lord, straight and unabridged!

When confronted by the truth of their impending eternal damnation they at least have an opportunity to repent. To cast out the demon within that is giving them their unnatural urge. Through the Lord, any sinner can be saved. Every day they live with their degeneracy they are closer to an eternity of hellfire.

I would say the fine people on this forum are as compassionate as I have ever seen. Through the truth of the Lord Jesus, more will be saved from damnation. If that isn’t compassion I don’t know what is.

[Miss April]

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Thats what I meant, if you for some reason or another sin, and you are truly sorry, and pray for God's forgiveness, He will forgive you. But how do we know that you can't ask for forgiveness in the next life?

You can pray for Gods forgiveness all you want but if your not saved your going to Hell says so right in the Bible like it or not God makes the Rules not Us

[YoungK83]

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1 John 3:6: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 5:18: We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Now, as you were saying?

I am juding by your reply, and I quote "Now, as you were saying?" that you are not a sinner?

I am wondering if you actually study scripture, as any theologian should, or just read whatever parts you see fit, determine your own understanding and preach it to your congregation, Pastor Peters. If you did actually study scripture then you would have realized your contradiction in using those scriptures. If you are right, then please tell me why it says in 1 John 1:8, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not is us" (KJV). Also, if you studied scripture, then you would know that those two verses you quoted don't say that we don't sin, but that we are sinners but should not sin habitually.

Please give me your thoughts.

[Meek and Humble]

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We all sinned before being saved. After being saved we never sin.

[Meek and Humble]

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Thats what I meant, if you for some reason or another sin, and you are truly sorry, and pray for God's forgiveness, He will forgive you. But how do we know that you can't ask for forgiveness in the next life?

Look at the story of Lazarus and the Rich man. It says they die, and immediately they go to either heaven or hell. There's no chance for apologizing.

[godsaves]

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But Jesus rose Lazarus from the grave.

[YoungK83]

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Look everyone. Homosexuality is a sin, and like all sin, it pulls us away from God.

Two things:

First, no one, but God, can judge whether someone is going to hell or not. If you say you can, then you are saying your judgement is equal to God's; and we should all know that man's judgement is nowhere near God's. So, I am in no way saying that homosexuals will go to heaven or not. But my belief is that if homosexuals genuinely accept Christ in their life, their lifestyle will change and definitely they will go into heaven. For one who truly loves the Lord, gives an effort to follow His decrees. Some will point out that we have the tool of rebuking. Yes, God has given us the tool to rebuke; but that's just it, to rebuke. No where does it say to hate or judge them. And for those of you who think you know what rebuking is. Rebuking is supposed to be done out of love; to show the error of ones way so they may turn back towards God, not slandering. calling them names and "beating" them into submission until they feel like "filthy rags."

Second, like all sin, homosexuality can be forgiven. For those of you who think otherwise, that means your sins cannot be forgiven. Why? Let's take a look at 1 Corinthians 15:3. (I prefer using NASB over KJV, but I know Landover likes to use KJV, so I will use their tools.)

1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV)

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Paul says Christ died for our sins, it doesn't say some sins, He died for all our sins. Some of you will argue, "It doesn't say 'all' either." But it's implied, just as if someone said, "I want that pizza." If they wanted only some of the pizza it would be specified, "I want two slices of the pizza." Come on people, God gave us logic and reason to use. So, if some of you say that God didn't die to forgive homosexuality, then you're pretty much saying, God didn't die to forgive any sin.

Some of you would believe that they have no sin because Christ died for our sins. This is wrong. Why? Let's look at Romans 6:10-11.

Romans 6:10-11 (KJV)

For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Yes we are dead to sin, on the account of Christ, but that doesn't mean we don't sin. See supporting passage 1 John 1:8, as I have mentioned in my previous post. And again I say, we are dead to sin because of what Christ did on the cross. Homosexuality is a sin. Christ died for our sin. I'll let you put two and two together.

Some will argue that Christ didn't die for everyone, but only a select few. Yes, there are only certain people who will make it to heaven that is already known to God, but that's because He's God and he knows all. Christ in fact died for all. Let's look at probably the most powerful and concise passage representation of the Gospel.

John 3:16 (KJV)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

There you have it. Christ died for the world, not some of the world. Notice how the passage says, "that whosoever believeth in him," not that some who believe in him.

Lastly, I want to look at this verse that is highly overlooked.

John 3:17 (KJV)

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

If God didn't send His son to condemn the world then what right do we have to do so? He came to save us. And last I heard, God is love, not hate.

Chew on it.