[James Hutchins]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

If God hates gay people, then why did he give us the choice to be straight or homosexual? This is not making any sense at all.
Don't get me wrong, I do NOT want to comb into the hair direction, and forgive me if I offended anyone, but just does not make any sense to me.

God gave man free will. He intended for man to choose to go to heavan or Hell. A man who chooses to be a Homer has made his choice to go to Hell. No ifs, ands or butts.
Look Homer, this forum is for straight Godly Christain folk, not for you Homers to spread your AIDS infected words all over the internets with.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

How can you say that it's God's will when it's something He created himself?
He should've thought about it in the first place, or at least "fix the bugs in the system" so we can all forgive and forget.
I hate to say it but it's His own fault...

If God hates gay people, then why did he give us the choice to be straight or homosexual? This is not making any sense at all.
Don't get me wrong, I do NOT want to comb into the hair direction, and forgive me if I offended anyone, but just does not make any sense to me.

Jake, it seems pretty clear to me that you've never opened a Bible in your life. Before waxing poetic about what God did or didn't do, I'd like to suggest that you take a look at His Holy Word, which is perfect and designed to keep us out of trouble.

Just because God created something, that doesn't make it good.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Joshua 23:15
Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

1 Samuel 16:14
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

1 Kings 9:9
And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

2 Kings 22:16
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:

[Wally's World]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

Wally, who are you trying to fool?

Romans 1:


Romans 1 is clear -- intent is enough for eternal damnation. If you have lust for another man and unnatural desires, then God washes his hands of you and gives you over to your own reprobate mind.

Your only hope is to repent now and beg God to change your heart back to what is natural. Because once God gives up on you, it is too late.

Yes, but as a Christian you know that God frowns upon lust towards anyone. Jesus told us whoever lusts after a woman has committed adultery in his heart. Obviously, men who lust after other men are damned. However, not all homosexual men fall under that banner.

Sir, you are an ignorant, narrow-minded revisionist and an Enemy of God!

I beg to differ. I take the Bible literally, more so than you.

Damnable idiot – the entire army of Israel slept together when they were on maneuvers; do you think for a moment they were abominations?

Leviticus makes it clear: If a man lies with another man, that is an abomination. If two soldiers of Israel huddled up with each other and slept together, then that is an abomination according to God. If the entire army of Israel slept together, then the entire army of Israel committed an abomination.

"Israel” is code for God’s Chosen People – i.e. those who accept Him.

Now you're Scripture-twisting. It said, Israel, NOT Chosen People. Besides, Chosen People does not equate with those who accept Him. Israel, the Chosen People, were JEWS. Those that accept Jesus are Christians.

Finally, a "Sodomite" is just that: A resident of Sodom. God didn't want any Sodomites in Israel. There's nothing pertaining to homosexuality in that verse.

Then why did He not just say, “Don’t be lustful”? Could it be that He was laying it on the line? “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections” VILE AFFECTIONS! An affection that is VILE! Homerism and Lezbeans! It is irrelevant to God’s Word and Command whether the effeminate are nancy-boys or notTrue, that is what I said, fortunately the homer verses above DO apply to them.

Nowhere does it say vile affections = homosexuality. Vile affections could mean anything: love of money, sexual attraction towards family members, love of evil, etc.

Again, God has made it clear that lust (heterosexual or homosexual) is bad. God was just making it clear that the warnings against lust apply to homosexuality too.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

Yes, but as a Christian you know that God frowns upon lust towards anyone. Jesus told us whoever lusts after a woman has committed adultery in his heart. Obviously, men who lust after other men are damned. However, not all homosexual men fall under that banner.

Lispy limp wristed rant deleted.

Where in The Bible does it say two men can get married?
Anyone who has sex outside of marriage is a fornicator or an adulterer.

Even with your Scriptural acrobatics, sodomy is still a sin.

[Wally's World]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

Where in The Bible does it say two men can get married?
Anyone who has sex outside of marriage is a fornicator or an adulterer.

Even with your Scriptural acrobatics, sodomy is still a sin.

Where does it say in the Bible that two men can't get married?

Sex is defined as coitus which is impossible for a gay couple to do (no matter how much they try). Can you show me a Bible verse where it says sodomy is a sin?

[David Goldman]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

Can you show me a Bible verse where it says sodomy is a sin?

Yes.

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
Genesis 19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

1st Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

Isaiah 3:9The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1st Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2 Peter 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

[Wally's World]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

Yes.

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
Genesis 19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for wickedness. While the cities weren't destroyed just because of homosexuality, the homosexuals in the cities were lustful and wanting to commit rape. Which, as I have already shown, is a sin.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Again, nothing about sodomy. You just can't "lie" with another man, i.e., sleep with him. Don't share a bed with another man.

Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

1st Kings 14:24 And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

Sodomite = resident of Sodom. It doesn't say homosexuals, per se.

Isaiah 3:9The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Again, Sodom the city. Not homosexuality in and of itself.

Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

I have covered this quote already.

1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Not all homosexuals are effeminate. Abusers of themselves with mankind mean people into S&M and other vile practices, not homosexuality per se.

1st Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1st Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

I don't see anything regarding homosexuality here. Do you mean those that "defile themselves with mankind"? That is regarding fornicators, both heterosexual and homosexual.

2 Peter 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2 Peter 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; )

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, but again, not because of homosexuality but certain practices. They wanted to rape Lot. God does not look kindly on rape.

[David Goldman]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

Sorry, you fail by taken each verse out of context. Even out of context, everything that you've stated in self-contradictory. No one is going to buy garbage like that, especially God.

Enjoy your sodomite ways now, because you'll have an eternity of Hell to pay for it later.

The Bible covers everything -- intent AND action. Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6 tie it all together:

1 Corinthians 6

15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Romans 1:

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

If you are joining bodies (as if with a women) then you are damned. If you day dream about it, then you are damned. If you want to deny it or trick yourself, then go for it. It's your eternity in Hell.

[Wally's World]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

I don't take anything out of context. I take what the Word of God says literally. You on the other hand have to twist things around and make personal assumptions to change what God is saying. Somehow you make this bizarre connection that Destruction of Sodom = Homosexuality is Evil.

Also I am not a Sodomite. I have never lived in Sodom. I am not a homosexual either. I have a wife and three wonderful kids.

[JUAN GARCIA, repulsive dago queer]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

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[Wally's World]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

You are not taking the Bible literally. Quit twisting it around, Mr. Goldman!

1 Corinthians 6

15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.

This is saying Christ owns our bodies. We are members. To be a member of a harlot would mean that we accepted a harlot as our savior, instead of Jesus. There is nothing here mentioning sex with harlots.

16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

Joined to a harlot? This is about Siamese twins. Jesus is telling Siamese twins that if one twin acts as a harlot it damns the other twin, since the harlot and the other twin are one flesh.

17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Yes, do not fornicate.

19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

The Holy Ghost is inside of us. I agree.

[David Goldman]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

Siamese twins? Hahahaha!

Enjoy Hell. I'm sure you'll be the life of the party there, sodomite God-mocker.

[Wally's World]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

Mr. Goldman, can you show me in this verse how it is not about Siamese twins? Also, why do you feel the Bible shouldn't apply to Siamese twins?

16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

Joined to a harlot...one body...one flesh. The only way you can get something different out of this is if you start twisting Scripture and saying "well not LITERALLY joined...not LITERALLY one body...its a metaphor".

But, as a Creation Scientist you take Genesis literally. And when someone says Genesis is a metaphor and they weren't seven literal days, you throw a fit.

Do you not see how you are practicing a double standard, Mr. Goldman?

[angels]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

Mr. Goldman, can you show me in this verse how it is not about Siamese twins? Also, why do you feel the Bible shouldn't apply to Siamese twins?

16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

Joined to a harlot...one body...one flesh. The only way you can get something different out of this is if you start twisting Scripture and saying "well not LITERALLY joined...not LITERALLY one body...its a metaphor".

But, as a Creation Scientist you take Genesis literally. And when someone says Genesis is a metaphor and they weren't seven literal days, you throw a fit.

Do you not see how you are practicing a double standard, Mr. Goldman?

Wally's World, Mr. Goldman is one of the fairest Christian Gentlemen on this Forum.
You have absolutely no right to accuse him of double standards Sir.

[Wally's World]

Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

And you, Angels, have no right to tell me what to do. Corinthians tells us that women should not teach, nor usurp authority over men, and to remain in silence. If you're such a Christian, why don't you follow that passage? See! Another double standard.