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  • Wally's World
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    • Sep 2009
    • 60

    #1

    Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

    I am a KJV-only ultraliteralist and I do not believe in twisting God's holy words out of context. I admit, in the past, I was under the spell of certain preachers and pastors who convinced me that all homosexuals will burn in Hell and believed this so. But, as I began to study my Bible more, I began to realize these pastors were wrong.

    What the Bible states, very clearly, is that certain homosexuals, but not all, sin against God. I would like to quote some of the more prominent verses and explain why only some homosexuals are damned.

    Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
    These two verses are often quoted by false preachers like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson as so-called "clear prohibitions" against homosexuality. Yet, when you analyze the text, nothing says that. First off, the Bible says "lie with mankind as with womankind". It doesn't say to engage in sexual intercourse, it says "lie", which means to lay down with. God is clearly against men sleeping with each other (literally), but not against homosexual sex in and of itself.

    Even so, this is neither a prohibition of homosexuals kissing each other, loving each other romantically, or being in a committed relationship.

    Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
    This applies to only Israel. If you're not Israeli, this verse does not affect you.

    Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    This is not against all homosexuality, but rather, lustful homosexuality. Then again, God makes it clear in the Bible he is against lustful heterosexuality as well.

    1st Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    Effeminate does not equate with homosexual. Some homosexuals, but definitely not all, are effeminate. Compare Elton John vs Robert Reed (Dad on the Brady Bunch). There are also many macho work-out types of homosexuals. This law does not apply to them.

    Abusers of themselves with mankind means those that abuse themselves with people. God is speaking against those that do S&M, spanking fetishes, and other vile practices.

    So while the Bible does mandate that many homosexuals are sinners, we must be careful not to lump every single one of them into this category. Reading through the Bible, we can clearly see nothing wrong with two masculine gay men (not married), but living in a committed relationship together who sleep in two seperate beds.
    Matthew 5:43-44
    Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
  • James Hutchins
    True Christian™
    Just a Regular Nice Guy
     
    • Jun 2009
    • 29448

    #2
    Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

    All Homers are bad and are the same as spitting in the eye of our Lord. Elimination of just one Homer is nearly a guaranteed passage into Heaven.

    There is no justification or acceptance of a man going to the dark side or a woman being a rug muncher.


    Homos are wrong and must be eliminated from the world. There are no exceptions.
    Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
    Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
    Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
    Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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    • James Hutchins
      True Christian™
      Just a Regular Nice Guy
       
      • Jun 2009
      • 29448

      #3
      Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

      And in response to the thread title:

      Yes, each and every single Homo is going to Hell.

      However these 'people' will not be reamed by Satan as they would enjoy it. Instead, they will be forced to watch and be denied.

      I take you are a Homer.

      Bye Now
      Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
      Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
      Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
      Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
      Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
      Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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      • Stevie
        Forum Member, Hatemonger
        • Jul 2009
        • 46

        #4
        Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

        I never understood the gay Christian thing. God obviously hates fags. Why do think it's on so many t-shirts? While not all atheists are gay, all gays should be atheists. Why would you love a God who HATES you? You either need to give up the Neal & Bob routine or be atheist.
        Your friendly Atheist scum.

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        • David Goldman
          (not a Jew)
          True Christian™
          • Aug 2009
          • 700

          #5
          Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

          Wally, who are you trying to fool?

          Romans 1:
          26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

          27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

          28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
          Romans 1 is clear -- intent is enough for eternal damnation. If you have lust for another man and unnatural desires, then God washes his hands of you and gives you over to your own reprobate mind.

          Your only hope is to repent now and beg God to change your heart back to what is natural. Because once God gives up on you, it is too late.
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          Romans 1:20
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          2 Timothy 2:15
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          • angels
            Forum Member, lost in space
            Forum Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 794

            #6
            Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

            I was talking with two friends this afternoon, about this.They actually believe that queers are in front of True Christians, as to going to Heaven.And informed me that my strong beliefs will either send me to jail or Hell, or both.
            Homosexuals WILL go to Hell.
            And I know that the two EX friends of mine are lurking here some where, so Jane and Selina, instead of taking the cowards way out, why not join and explain to Dear Pastor Zeke and the other Elders, why you think we are all evil here?.
            A man and a woman is how it should be. Not two men together.

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            • SA Child of God
              Confirmed Enemy of God
              • Sep 2009
              • 49

              #7
              Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

              Originally posted by Wally's World View Post
              I am a KJV-only ultraliteralist and I do not believe in twisting God's holy words out of context. I admit, in the past, I was under the spell of certain preachers and pastors who convinced me that all homosexuals will burn in Hell and believed this so. But, as I began to study my Bible more, I began to realize these pastors were wrong.

              What the Bible states, very clearly, is that certain homosexuals, but not all, sin against God. I would like to quote some of the more prominent verses and explain why only some homosexuals are damned.



              These two verses are often quoted by false preachers like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson as so-called "clear prohibitions" against homosexuality. Yet, when you analyze the text, nothing says that. First off, the Bible says "lie with mankind as with womankind". It doesn't say to engage in sexual intercourse, it says "lie", which means to lay down with. God is clearly against men sleeping with each other (literally), but not against homosexual sex in and of itself.

              Even so, this is neither a prohibition of homosexuals kissing each other, loving each other romantically, or being in a committed relationship.



              This applies to only Israel. If you're not Israeli, this verse does not affect you.



              This is not against all homosexuality, but rather, lustful homosexuality. Then again, God makes it clear in the Bible he is against lustful heterosexuality as well.



              Effeminate does not equate with homosexual. Some homosexuals, but definitely not all, are effeminate. Compare Elton John vs Robert Reed (Dad on the Brady Bunch). There are also many macho work-out types of homosexuals. This law does not apply to them.

              Abusers of themselves with mankind means those that abuse themselves with people. God is speaking against those that do S&M, spanking fetishes, and other vile practices.

              So while the Bible does mandate that many homosexuals are sinners, we must be careful not to lump every single one of them into this category. Reading through the Bible, we can clearly see nothing wrong with two masculine gay men (not married), but living in a committed relationship together who sleep in two seperate beds.
              Oh my Wally... I suspect you might be getting down graded to Unsaved Trash any second now for that thread. But perhaps your generous tithe Pastor Zeke mentioned on another of your threads will in fact let you life another day as a forum member... let's see shall we???

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              • Stevie
                Forum Member, Hatemonger
                • Jul 2009
                • 46

                #8
                Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

                Originally posted by angels View Post
                I was talking with two friends this afternoon, about this.They actually believe that queers are in front of True Christians, as to going to Heaven.And informed me that my strong beliefs will either send me to jail or Hell, or both.
                Homosexuals WILL go to Hell.
                And I know that the two EX friends of mine are lurking here some where, so Jane and Selina, instead of taking the cowards way out, why not join and explain to Dear Pastor Zeke and the other Elders, why you think we are all evil here?.
                A man and a woman is how it should be. Not two men together.
                That's just absurd!! Even I know better than that and, I'm an "atheist scum". Did they give any reason as to the source of their delusions?
                Your friendly Atheist scum.

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                • Ezekiel Bathfire
                  Pastor for Diversity and Tolerance
                  Christ's Rottweiler
                   
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 22855

                  #9
                  Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

                  Sir, you are an ignorant, narrow-minded revisionist and an Enemy of God!
                  Originally posted by Wally's World View Post
                  What the Bible states, very clearly, is that certain homosexuals, but not all, sin against God. I would like to quote some of the more prominent verses and explain why only some homosexuals are damned.
                  Leviticus 18:22 Leviticus 20:13 These two verses [say] "lie with mankind as with womankind". It doesn't say to engage in sexual intercourse, it says "lie", which means to lay down with. God is clearly against men sleeping with each other (literally), but not against homosexual sex in and of itself.
                  Damnable idiot – the entire army of Israel slept together when they were on maneuvers; do you think for a moment they were abominations?
                  Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
                  This applies to only Israel. If you're not Israeli, this verse does not affect you.[/quote]”Israel” is code for God’s Chosen People – i.e. those who accept Him.
                  Romans 1:26-28 This is not against all homosexuality, but rather, lustful homosexuality. Then again, God makes it clear in the Bible he is against lustful heterosexuality as well.
                  Then why did He not just say, “Don’t be lustful”? Could it be that He was laying it on the line? “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections” VILE AFFECTIONS! An affection that is VILE! Homerism and Lezbeans!
                  1st Corinthians 6:9 Effeminate does not equate with homosexual.
                  It is irrelevant to God’s Word and Command whether the effeminate are nancy-boys or not
                  There are also many macho work-out types of homosexuals. This law does not apply to them.
                  True, that is what I said, fortunately the homer verses above DO apply to them.

                  I suggest that you read up on the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah when a bunch of queers come round to ass-rape Lot’s friends and they are saved only by throwing out a woman for them.

                  (Don’t bother reading much further than that, what Lot’s daughters get up to is for the spiritually higher rather than your type.)
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                  • Jake Botamus
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                    Under Investigation
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 14

                    #10
                    Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

                    I really can't say I agree with the arguments above. Ofcourse it's a crime against nature, but why would they burn for it?
                    They can't help liking the same sex, it's a DNA related thing. Hormones which turn against you make you gay, yes, that is quite disastrous and very difficult for the person and his relatives/friends, but wouldn't it be a very more shameful case when this person gets punished for something that his body is responsible for?
                    Not meaning to disrespect the rules of the bible, not at all, but these poor souls should be forgiven. Then we have the Chris Crocker-types, who are just cheap, nasty faggots who dress up like women, make out with the nearest good looking young man, and worst of all: they have SEX with eachother. This makes my blood boil, and my stomach spin. Some even claim themselves Christians.
                    These are the homosexuals who SHOULD go to hell, asap.
                    Feel free to bash a Cross up their asses, so they know who's baws.

                    Sorry for the slight rant, Amen.

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                    • angels
                      Forum Member, lost in space
                      Forum Member
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 794

                      #11
                      Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

                      Originally posted by Stevie View Post
                      That's just absurd!! Even I know better than that and, I'm an "atheist scum". Did they give any reason as to the source of their delusions?

                      Yes, because, they think I am being brain washed. Pathetic really, I am happier now, than ever.

                      I asked, why God would possibly allow homosexuals into Heaven, but send Christians to Hell.
                      The answer I got. And I was so shocked by this response.

                      Homosexuals are more loving and Godly than any Religion. I just couldn't believe two of my oldest friends could be so blind.


                      Well they certainly are friends of mine no more.

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                      • angels
                        Forum Member, lost in space
                        Forum Member
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 794

                        #12
                        Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

                        Originally posted by Jake Botamus View Post
                        I really can't say I agree with the arguments above. Ofcourse it's a crime against nature, but why would they burn for it?
                        They can't help liking the same sex, it's a DNA related thing. Hormones which turn against you make you gay, yes, that is quite disastrous and very difficult for the person and his relatives/friends, but wouldn't it be a very more shameful case when this person gets punished for something that his body is responsible for?
                        Not meaning to disrespect the rules of the bible, not at all, but these poor souls should be forgiven. Then we have the Chris Crocker-types, who are just cheap, nasty faggots who dress up like women, make out with the nearest good looking young man, and worst of all: they have SEX with eachother. This makes my blood boil, and my stomach spin. Some even claim themselves Christians.
                        These are the homosexuals who SHOULD go to hell, asap.
                        Feel free to bash a Cross up their asses, so they know who's baws.

                        Sorry for the slight rant, Amen.

                        But surely, God won't just send some sinners to Hell and not all will he?.
                        It is against God's will to be homosexual.

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                        • James Hutchins
                          True Christian™
                          Just a Regular Nice Guy
                           
                          • Jun 2009
                          • 29448

                          #13
                          Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

                          Originally posted by Jake Botamus View Post
                          I really can't say I agree with the arguments above. Ofcourse it's a crime against nature, but why would they burn for it?
                          They can't help liking the same sex, it's a DNA related thing. Hormones which turn against you make you gay, yes, that is quite disastrous and very difficult for the person and his relatives/friends, but wouldn't it be a very more shameful case when this person gets punished for something that his body is responsible for?
                          Not meaning to disrespect the rules of the bible, not at all, but these poor souls should be forgiven. Then we have the Chris Crocker-types, who are just cheap, nasty faggots who dress up like women, make out with the nearest good looking young man, and worst of all: they have SEX with eachother. This makes my blood boil, and my stomach spin. Some even claim themselves Christians.
                          These are the homosexuals who SHOULD go to hell, asap.
                          Feel free to bash a Cross up their asses, so they know who's baws.

                          Sorry for the slight rant, Amen.
                          You are dead wrong. Homos are that way by choice! Everyone knows that.

                          They should all rot in Hell, not a single one should be reamed by the Devil as they would like it.
                          Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                          Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                          Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                          Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                          Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                          Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                          • Jake Botamus
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                            Under Investigation
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 14

                            #14
                            Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

                            How can you say that it's God's will when it's something He created himself?
                            He should've thought about it in the first place, or at least "fix the bugs in the system" so we can all forgive and forget.
                            I hate to say it but it's His own fault...

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                            • angels
                              Forum Member, lost in space
                              Forum Member
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 794

                              #15
                              Re: Not All Homosexuals Go To Hell

                              QUOTE=Jake Botamus;396614]How can you say that it's God's will when it's something He created himself?
                              He should've thought about it in the first place, or at least "fix the bugs in the system" so we can all forgive and forget.
                              I hate to say it but it's His own fault...[/QUOTE]


                              NO. Not true.

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