[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

The arguement of who decides what is socially acceptable is too much to go into right now. Christians follow what God deems acceptable, others follow the state, and some make up their own rules.

There's always going to be abnormal behaviour whether thats pedophilia for example, which most of society deems as wrong or homosexuality which Christianity views as wrong.

Folk can argue their cases till they are blue in the face and it won't change the majority's mind. What I believe is up to me, and the same goes to you, and as I said, I respect that.

[Michael Crucifix]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

its midnight at my church, im pretending to be extremly tired. Under these conditions, this flawless suggestion came oto miy mind: why donnnt we just bnurn everyone who does not agree with us? not agreeing with us would also meann that the madman who does that also does not agree with god and therfeore shall be purged.

iam just sayinn. :pp

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Surely you would agree though, although our view differ on some points, things such as pedophilia are completely unexceptable not matter religion, nationality or race?

I only put the within reason part in as not having it implied that I believed everything was alright. :/

And who decides what is reasonable? NAMBLA brings up ancient Greece when they fight for their rights. Zoophiles bring up that a horse or large dog could easily kill them if the animal wasn't in to it. So who decides what is acceptable and what isn't?

As for me, I'll put my trust in the LORD. (Psalms 7:1, 11:1, 31:1, 73:28)

Oh as far as religion, nationality and race.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Numbers 25:6-13 And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand;And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel.And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy. Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 7:2-4 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Surely you would agree though, although our view differ on some points, things such as pedophilia are completely unexceptable not matter religion, nationality or race?

I only put the within reason part in as not having it implied that I believed everything was alright. :/

[Didymus Much]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

To me love is something we can't control and that everyone should have no matter their age, sex or sexuality (within reason though in those matters).

So everything's ok, so long as it's ok by your standards. And you're not being judgemental at all.

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Knew you were going to bring up pedophilia or beastiality or other sexual deviancy when I said that, hence why I put "within reason".

Love is love at the end of the day and everyone deserves it; whether it's unconditional love of a parent or relative, love from God, or love from another human being (again within reason), it makes life better.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

As for the love issue, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. To me love is something we can't control and that everyone should have no matter their age, sex or sexuality (within reason though in those matters).
Guess I'm a bit of a die hard romantic in that respect.

What about people who love young boys? What about people who love pets? I guess they're just die hard romantics as well?

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

As for the love issue, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. To me love is something we can't control and that everyone should have no matter their age, sex or sexuality (within reason though in those matters).
Guess I'm a bit of a die hard romantic in that respect.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Apologises, it must have been a branch of the Mormon faith but not main stream religion itself.

I guess it's an invalid issues anyway though, the Christian faith
(and several others) will never fully accept homosexuality in anyway. Although this makes it incrediably difficult for homosexuals who wish to follow a religion, it's sadly not going to happen.

All they have to do is give up their homosexuality. It's something the Bible is EXTREMELY clear on, but instead they follow their lusts rather than the WORD OF GOD.

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Apologises, it must have been a branch of the Mormon faith but not main stream religion itself.

I guess it's an invalid issues anyway though, the Christian faith
(and several others) will never fully accept homosexuality in anyway. Although this makes it incrediably difficult for homosexuals who wish to follow a religion, it's sadly not going to happen.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

I really respect your decision to hold out for a man you felt was right, and your strength of character is much higher than most.

No my strength of character is not much higher than most. I just care about my after life and where I will be spending it.

As for the blameless issue, I meant that the choice of attraction/love is out of people's control, not the sleeping with part. You don't necessarily have to be attracted to someone to sleep with them, and being attracted to someone and sleeping with them is miles appart.

I completely disagree with you. I've heard women who claim they could never fall in love with a "man who made less that 6 figures", "a man who owned a dog", "a man who hated cats", "a man who *whatever*. These people have clearly made a decision on who they can fall in love with.

I think it's the Mormons who allow homosexuals into their church as long as they don't actual have sexual relations with the same sex. While I still find that cruel, it is a step forward. After all it's not the actual sexuality God finds a sin but the actual act, isn't it?

Oh I think you are very wrong there.

Mormonism does not tolerate gays and lesbians. Any Mormon member that confesses homosexuality is automatically forced to appear in front of Church Courts. These Courts then decide whether the homosexual transgressions merit either excommunication or dis-fellowshipping. Mormons who have practiced homosexual intercourse with the same sex are automatically excommunicated.

The leaders of the Mormon Church teach that a man is a God-Embryo and therefore cannot be born gay. Mormon leaders teach that homosexuals choose their lifestyles. They teach that this choice came about from sinful parents, masturbation, or willful disobedience of the commandments of God. All blame for the sin of homosexuality is placed on the person causing depression, hopelessness and often - suicide.

Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley stated on Larry King Live (December 2004), "We know they have a problem [homosexuals]. We want to help them solve that problem. ...[sic]... The fact is, they have a problem."

During the 1970's the practice of electro-shock therapy was used at the LDS Church owned Brigham Young University. There, homosexuals were electrocuted in an attempt to stop homosexual tendencies.

There are no homosexual Mormons who are in "good standing" with the LDS Church. Homosexuals that are excommunicated are no longer able to participate in any Mormon Church function, including praying, teaching or holding any office. The Mormon priesthood is taken away and all "blessings", rights and Temple privileges are taken away. Excommunicated members are further ostracized in Mormon Sacrament Meetings where they are forbidden to take the Sacramental offerings - or even speak vocally.

Considering how important getting married and having children are to the Mormons (one of the few things they got right) why would you think they would accept homosexuality in any form?

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

I really respect your decision to hold out for a man you felt was right, and your strength of character is much higher than most.

As for the blameless issue, I meant that the choice of attraction/love is out of people's control, not the sleeping with part. You don't necessarily have to be attracted to someone to sleep with them, and being attracted to someone and sleeping with them is miles appart.

I think it's the Mormons who allow homosexuals into their church as long as they don't actual have sexual relations with the same sex. While I still find that cruel, it is a step forward. After all it's not the actual sexuality God finds a sin but the actual act, isn't it?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

That's taking it out of preportion, what does manslaughter have to do with this? And no, I don't open my legs to everyone but thank you for asking.

You said they should be held blameless because sleeping with men is an unconscious decision for them. If you follow that logic, then the guy who accidentally runs over a child, no matter how drunk he was, should be held just as blameless. After all he was born with a need to drink (according to AA) and didn't drive over the kid on purpose.

But do you choose who you are attracted to? Do we as human beings choose who we fall in love with? We don't, it is out of our control.
And I mean love, not lust, not sexual gratification but simple love.

Yes, I did choose who to fall in love with. I chose to wait for a True Christian(TM) man. Sure there were others I was attracted to, but as soon as I discovered they were fuzzy bunny Christians, that was it, I was out of there. Did it hurt? Sure, but I saved myself for marriage.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

That's taking it out of preportion, what does manslaughter have to do with this? And no, I don't open my legs to everyone but thank you for asking.

But do you choose who you are attracted to? Do we as human beings choose who we fall in love with? We don't, it is out of our control.
And I mean love, not lust, not sexual gratification but simple love.

So what if someone is attracted to men. Do you have to sleep with everyone you're attracted to? Someone who is attracted to men should still obey God's Law(c).

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

That's taking it out of preportion, what does manslaughter have to do with this? And no, I don't open my legs to everyone but thank you for asking.

But do you choose who you are attracted to? Do we as human beings choose who we fall in love with? We don't, it is out of our control.
And I mean love, not lust, not sexual gratification but simple love.