[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

But it's not a concious decision though. Did you choose to be straight? No. Sending someone to Hell for things they can't control is horrific.

[Michael Crucifix]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

I shall prepare many many crosses..

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

But it's not a concious decision though. Did you choose to be straight? No. Sending someone to Hell for things they can't control is horrific.

So if you run over a child you should not be charged with vehicular manslaughter because it wasn't a conscious decision? You don't consciously choose who you sleep with? What do you do, spread your legs for anyone who asks?

Of course it's a conscious decision. There are too many ex-homo's around that are living proof that they can change their lives if they so choose.

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

That's taking it out of preportion, what does manslaughter have to do with this? And no, I don't open my legs to everyone but thank you for asking.

But do you choose who you are attracted to? Do we as human beings choose who we fall in love with? We don't, it is out of our control.
And I mean love, not lust, not sexual gratification but simple love.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

That's taking it out of preportion, what does manslaughter have to do with this? And no, I don't open my legs to everyone but thank you for asking.

But do you choose who you are attracted to? Do we as human beings choose who we fall in love with? We don't, it is out of our control.
And I mean love, not lust, not sexual gratification but simple love.

So what if someone is attracted to men. Do you have to sleep with everyone you're attracted to? Someone who is attracted to men should still obey God's Law(c).

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

That's taking it out of preportion, what does manslaughter have to do with this? And no, I don't open my legs to everyone but thank you for asking.

You said they should be held blameless because sleeping with men is an unconscious decision for them. If you follow that logic, then the guy who accidentally runs over a child, no matter how drunk he was, should be held just as blameless. After all he was born with a need to drink (according to AA) and didn't drive over the kid on purpose.

But do you choose who you are attracted to? Do we as human beings choose who we fall in love with? We don't, it is out of our control.
And I mean love, not lust, not sexual gratification but simple love.

Yes, I did choose who to fall in love with. I chose to wait for a True Christian(TM) man. Sure there were others I was attracted to, but as soon as I discovered they were fuzzy bunny Christians, that was it, I was out of there. Did it hurt? Sure, but I saved myself for marriage.

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

I really respect your decision to hold out for a man you felt was right, and your strength of character is much higher than most.

As for the blameless issue, I meant that the choice of attraction/love is out of people's control, not the sleeping with part. You don't necessarily have to be attracted to someone to sleep with them, and being attracted to someone and sleeping with them is miles appart.

I think it's the Mormons who allow homosexuals into their church as long as they don't actual have sexual relations with the same sex. While I still find that cruel, it is a step forward. After all it's not the actual sexuality God finds a sin but the actual act, isn't it?

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

I really respect your decision to hold out for a man you felt was right, and your strength of character is much higher than most.

No my strength of character is not much higher than most. I just care about my after life and where I will be spending it.

As for the blameless issue, I meant that the choice of attraction/love is out of people's control, not the sleeping with part. You don't necessarily have to be attracted to someone to sleep with them, and being attracted to someone and sleeping with them is miles appart.

I completely disagree with you. I've heard women who claim they could never fall in love with a "man who made less that 6 figures", "a man who owned a dog", "a man who hated cats", "a man who *whatever*. These people have clearly made a decision on who they can fall in love with.

I think it's the Mormons who allow homosexuals into their church as long as they don't actual have sexual relations with the same sex. While I still find that cruel, it is a step forward. After all it's not the actual sexuality God finds a sin but the actual act, isn't it?

Oh I think you are very wrong there.

Mormonism does not tolerate gays and lesbians. Any Mormon member that confesses homosexuality is automatically forced to appear in front of Church Courts. These Courts then decide whether the homosexual transgressions merit either excommunication or dis-fellowshipping. Mormons who have practiced homosexual intercourse with the same sex are automatically excommunicated.

The leaders of the Mormon Church teach that a man is a God-Embryo and therefore cannot be born gay. Mormon leaders teach that homosexuals choose their lifestyles. They teach that this choice came about from sinful parents, masturbation, or willful disobedience of the commandments of God. All blame for the sin of homosexuality is placed on the person causing depression, hopelessness and often - suicide.

Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley stated on Larry King Live (December 2004), "We know they have a problem [homosexuals]. We want to help them solve that problem. ...[sic]... The fact is, they have a problem."

During the 1970's the practice of electro-shock therapy was used at the LDS Church owned Brigham Young University. There, homosexuals were electrocuted in an attempt to stop homosexual tendencies.

There are no homosexual Mormons who are in "good standing" with the LDS Church. Homosexuals that are excommunicated are no longer able to participate in any Mormon Church function, including praying, teaching or holding any office. The Mormon priesthood is taken away and all "blessings", rights and Temple privileges are taken away. Excommunicated members are further ostracized in Mormon Sacrament Meetings where they are forbidden to take the Sacramental offerings - or even speak vocally.

Considering how important getting married and having children are to the Mormons (one of the few things they got right) why would you think they would accept homosexuality in any form?

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Apologises, it must have been a branch of the Mormon faith but not main stream religion itself.

I guess it's an invalid issues anyway though, the Christian faith
(and several others) will never fully accept homosexuality in anyway. Although this makes it incrediably difficult for homosexuals who wish to follow a religion, it's sadly not going to happen.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Apologises, it must have been a branch of the Mormon faith but not main stream religion itself.

I guess it's an invalid issues anyway though, the Christian faith
(and several others) will never fully accept homosexuality in anyway. Although this makes it incrediably difficult for homosexuals who wish to follow a religion, it's sadly not going to happen.

All they have to do is give up their homosexuality. It's something the Bible is EXTREMELY clear on, but instead they follow their lusts rather than the WORD OF GOD.

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

As for the love issue, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. To me love is something we can't control and that everyone should have no matter their age, sex or sexuality (within reason though in those matters).
Guess I'm a bit of a die hard romantic in that respect.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

As for the love issue, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. To me love is something we can't control and that everyone should have no matter their age, sex or sexuality (within reason though in those matters).
Guess I'm a bit of a die hard romantic in that respect.

What about people who love young boys? What about people who love pets? I guess they're just die hard romantics as well?

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Knew you were going to bring up pedophilia or beastiality or other sexual deviancy when I said that, hence why I put "within reason".

Love is love at the end of the day and everyone deserves it; whether it's unconditional love of a parent or relative, love from God, or love from another human being (again within reason), it makes life better.

[Didymus Much]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

To me love is something we can't control and that everyone should have no matter their age, sex or sexuality (within reason though in those matters).

So everything's ok, so long as it's ok by your standards. And you're not being judgemental at all.

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Surely you would agree though, although our view differ on some points, things such as pedophilia are completely unexceptable not matter religion, nationality or race?

I only put the within reason part in as not having it implied that I believed everything was alright. :/