[cwjakesteel]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Where do you get off calling me unsaved?

And where do you get off telling me I don't take the bible seriously?

No, objects don't inherently cause us to sin. It is the desire within us that causes us to sin. (@Bob4God) You can sit on that bidet all you want, but its not going to reach into your consciousness and tempt you. The devil is the tempter. You resist him. Inanimate objects have no power over us. If you don't have the desire, you won't sin.

Unless Romans 7:15 "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.", in which you don't understand homosexuality is a sin, you have to make the conscious decision to lust or think lewdly with this device.

And @Jonathon, I see why you would think this promotes masturbation and homosexual pleasures, but the user of the device must first be a subjectivist to himself, or an objectivist to a false law. Therefore Christians can use this device perfectly for hygienic purposes.

There's also polymorphous perversity, but I don't know how relevant that will be.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Where do you get off calling me unsaved?

And where do you get off telling me I don't take the bible seriously?

No, objects don't inherently cause us to sin. It is the desire within us that causes us to sin. (@Bob4God) You can sit on that bidet all you want, but its not going to reach into your consciousness and tempt you. The devil is the tempter. You resist him. Inanimate objects have no power over us. If you don't have the desire, you won't sin.

Unless Romans 7:15 "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.", in which you don't understand homosexuality is a sin, you have to make the conscious decision to lust or think lewdly with this device.

And @Jonathon, I see why you would think this promotes masturbation and homosexual pleasures, but the user of the device must first be a subjectivist to himself, or an objectivist to a false law. Therefore Christians can use this device perfectly for hygienic purposes.

There's also polymorphous perversity, but I don't know how relevant that will be.

Not to sound like a queer or anything, but "me thinks the laddy does protest too much." Your very first post on our Godly forum was to defend something that squirts you butthole?!?! Really? There's no way you're not a homo, no way!

[cwjakesteel]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

I am not defending the contraption. But I have no reason to beware if it. Maybe the american culture you live in today has been too liberalized that you have become paranoid to anything the least bit resembling homosexuality.

It's like a gun. It depends on how you use it. Shoot it to murder or use it to catch criminals. However, the bidet's cause doesn't contain such valor.

[Bob4God]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

I think the mere fact you're so obsessed with this topic, and are so angry over it, is indication enough that you are a fag enabler, if not a fag yourself.

[Professor Bessemer]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Where do you get off calling me unsaved?

And where do you get off telling me I don't take the bible seriously?

No, objects don't inherently cause us to sin. It is the desire within us that causes us to sin. (@Bob4God) You can sit on that bidet all you want, but its not going to reach into your consciousness and tempt you. The devil is the tempter. You resist him. Inanimate objects have no power over us. If you don't have the desire, you won't sin.

Unless Romans 7:15 "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.", in which you don't understand homosexuality is a sin, you have to make the conscious decision to lust or think lewdly with this device.

And @Jonathon, I see why you would think this promotes masturbation and homosexual pleasures, but the user of the device must first be a subjectivist to himself, or an objectivist to a false law. Therefore Christians can use this device perfectly for hygienic purposes.

There's also polymorphous perversity, but I don't know how relevant that will be.

Friend, as an Ex-Gay© I know a thing or two about objects and anal stimulation. Let me assure you that objects can indeed lead to sin. If you need Biblical evidence, you need look no further than here:

Ezekiel 16:17
Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,

As you can see, God does not approve of stimulating yourself or others with objects, be they golden dildoes or bidets.

[cwjakesteel]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Don't assume that I'm obsessed and angry over it. That's the judgement of which Christ forbade. To judge by mere appearances. And if you read any of what I said, you'd realize that I'm not justifying the bidet, but marginalizing it.

And Bessemer, you assume that the purpose of the bidet, or any of those objects is for sin. Therefore it is not the object that causes you to sin, but what you use it for. It is why you have used it, or crafted it. The israelites didn't have to worship the calf. They built it because they wanted to worship it.

They asked Aaron for it, and that's how he answered.

[Bob4God]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Don't assume that I'm obsessed and angry over it. That's the judgement of which Christ forbade. To judge by mere appearances.

We judge according to righteousness here, and you must not be very righteous at all to disagree so heavily with us.

They built it because they wanted to worship it.

They asked Aaron for it, and that's how he answered.

How is that any different from building a butt-squirter because you're a perverted Asian who wants a sick thrill?

How is that any different from making a dildo because you want something to stick in your butt after a mere squirt is no longer enough?

How is that any different than creating child pornography because having a dildo stuck up your butt is no longer exciting enough?

You seem very eager to justify this one form of sin and perversion.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

They asked Aaron for it, and that's how he answered.

Asked me for what?!? Listen homo, I don't swing that way! You keep you dildos and you butthole squirters to yourself!

[Johnathan]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Don't assume that I'm obsessed and angry over it. That's the judgement of which Christ forbade. To judge by mere appearances. And if you read any of what I said, you'd realize that I'm not justifying the bidet, but marginalizing it.

And Bessemer, you assume that the purpose of the bidet, or any of those objects is for sin. Therefore it is not the object that causes you to sin, but what you use it for. It is why you have used it, or crafted it. The israelites didn't have to worship the calf. They built it because they wanted to worship it.

They asked Aaron for it, and that's how he answered.

Christ the LORD himself is WEEPING over your unsaved soul. How dare you tell us what the judgement of Christ is, that is only reserved for the Good Book, which has been already established to be correct . The bidet was designed by a homosexual heathen in order to satisfy his sick fetish, without needing another filthy animal. You may still have hope yet, however. Repent in the name of your LORD, for VERILY if you fail to do so, you will answer at his throne, the KING of KINGS, the LORD of LORDS, on the day of judgement. May God have mercy on your soul.

[Professor Bessemer]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Don't assume that I'm obsessed and angry over it. That's the judgement of which Christ forbade. To judge by mere appearances. And if you read any of what I said, you'd realize that I'm not justifying the bidet, but marginalizing it.

And Bessemer, you assume that the purpose of the bidet, or any of those objects is for sin. Therefore it is not the object that causes you to sin, but what you use it for. It is why you have used it, or crafted it. The israelites didn't have to worship the calf. They built it because they wanted to worship it.

They asked Aaron for it, and that's how he answered.

Ah, but without the golden dildoes, they would not have been able to commit whoredoms with them. If you are a sick, disgusting pervert that wants to shove something into your anus or cooter, the object must first exist before you can commit the sin of self sodomy or female onanism.

Therefore, the object does cause the sin. If there were no bidets with which to stimulate the rectum, then perverts would not be able to use them to stimulate themselves.

[cwjakesteel]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

You guys are ganging up on me by jumping to conclusions!

To answer Bob4God, I disagree with you because I think that what you are postulating is wrong. I wouldn't do it to support sin.

I'm not justifying gay lust and lewdness! I'm saying that you don't have to use it that way. Dildos are always made for those things, and perverted Asians WILL use that, because they do it to sin. But the thing itself won't make you sin.

To answer Captain Aaron (I assume), I'm saying that the israelites asked Aaron (The guy with the staff) to make something with their hands that they may worship it, and he did! Moses was so upset he broke the stone tablets with the law written upon it!

You are attributing sin to an object that doesn't have to be intended for sin! I myself don't use it, and if I did I wouldn't use it for the purposes you are creating in your heads. When I first saw it in europe, I thought it was an odd looking toilet.

Jonathon, you have a lot of talk, but no meaning. You're telling me to repent, but to repent of what? what have I done? You should know that Romans 4:5 5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

So you are condemning a brother without reason, although I don't find sinning.

Professor Bessemer, that's a logical falacy. You think it before the object exists.

Let me explain. It is possible that they may be even a tree or a root in the shape of a dildo, but it is only until you apply the purpose of sin to it that it becomes sinful. So sinless inanimate objects exist before thought, but thought makes it sinful!

Are you guys trying to turn me away from sin, or condemn me to hell?

I ask you all to remember Romans 5:8

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

[Professor Bessemer]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Professor Bessemer, that's a logical falacy. You think it before the object exists.

Let me explain. It is possible that they may be even a tree or a root in the shape of a dildo, but it is only until you apply the purpose of sin to it that it becomes sinful. So sinless inanimate objects exist before thought, but thought makes it sinful!

Are you guys trying to turn me away from sin, or condemn me to hell?

I ask you all to remember Romans 5:8

But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

You are confusing temptation and sin. Simply being tempted is not always sinful. Acting upon the temptation is where the sin occurs.

Can you honestly be saying that dildoes are not sinful objects? Or what about an oversized rubber fist, or a vibrating anal plug? These things are designed for sinning, therefore they are sinful objects. I daresay fewer harlots and sodomites would be jamming things into their bodies if these filthy things were not manufactured in the first place.

The same thing can obviously be said about bidets and hand held shower heads.

[cwjakesteel]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Oh please, now you're just being silly. Hand held shower heads are sinful? That thought hadn't even occurred to me, that I might use it for sinful purposes.

vibrating dlidos and butt plugs wouldn't exist if no one had it in mind to create these things in the first place.

The application of sin still comes before the object is sinful, because the sinful object was made by man who had sin in his mind.

Listen, if this goes on for too long (the argument) then we will eventually argue about semantics, and I don't have the time for that. Unless you still want to talk about it.

[Roberta]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Oh please, now you're just being silly. Hand held shower heads are sinful? That thought hadn't even occurred to me, that I might use it for sinful purposes.

vibrating dlidos and butt plugs wouldn't exist if no one had it in mind to create these things in the first place.

The application of sin still comes before the object is sinful, because the sinful object was made by man who had sin in his mind.

Listen, if this goes on for too long (the argument) then we will eventually argue about semantics, and I don't have the time for that. Unless you still want to talk about it.

Does this apply to cucumbers, too?

[cwjakesteel]

Re: Beware the Toilet Bidet: Homosexual Squirt Gun!

Only if you're gonna tell me cucumbers are sinful objects. Then everything is sinful for you Roberta. You choose to commit sin, not the cucumber.