I'm confused

[Didymus Much]

Re: I'm confused

Well none of course...

So much for doething the Will of God. You refuse to hold up your end of the contract, yet expect Jesus to welcome you with open arms?

...Aren't you an atheist? Your profile seems to suggest so

I'm a Non-Dualistic Discordian. It's older, sillier, and even less respected than Pastafarianism.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Mary

I guess there are lots of things in the bible which suggest God is hateful...

..oh I need to think

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

James,

That's quite a response. I'll need to take the time to read them all...

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I'm confused

Do you believe God loves everyone?

“God loves everyone” is the greatest lie ever told! Why, you might as well say “God Is Imaginary, Just Do Nice Things To Your Fellow Man!”

"And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you:
for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them."
Leviticus 20:23

"And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images,
and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols,
and my soul shall abhor you."
Leviticus 26:30

"And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them,
because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters."
Deuteronomy 32:19

"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
Psalm 5:5

"Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing:
the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man."
Psalm 5:6

"For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous,
whom the LORD abhorreth."
Psalm 10:3

"The LORD trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth."
Psalm 11:5

"There were they in great fear, where no fear was:
for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee:
thou hast put them to shame,
because God hath despised them."
Psalm 53:5

"When God heard this, he was wroth,
and greatly abhorred Israel:"
Psalm 78:59

"Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people,
insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance."
Psalm 106:40

"These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Proverbs 6:16-19

"The mouth of strange women is a deep pit:
he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein."
Proverbs 22:14

"And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden:
he hath destroyed his places of the assembly:
the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion,
and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest."
Lamentations 2:6

"All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them:
for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house,
I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters."
Hosea 9:15

"Three shepherds also I cut off in one month;
and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me."
Zechariah 11:8

"And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness."
Malachi 1:3

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
Romans 9:13

Do you still think God loves everyone?

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

No, the Bible says that:

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

That means doing what the Bible tells you to, every last bit of it:

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

So how many homosexuals, disobedient children, witches, non-virigin brides (who have been properly paid for), and old guys who gathered sticks on the Sabbath have you killed recently?

Well none of course.

Aren't you an atheist? Your profile seems to suggest so

[James Hutchins]

Re: I'm confused

But that famous verse, John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

i don't see how this isn't a Jesus who loves everyone?

Or have I bee wrong all these years....?!

Friend, many people and quotes are famous, that does not make them the best or only one.
While many stories being 'Once upon a time...' it does not mean it is the best or only story.
Now the Bible on the other hand, is a complete book, a full guide to the correct existence of humans, Gods little Children.
Consider the following:
Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. For the needy shall not always be forgotten: the expectation of the poor shall not perish for ever.

Proverbs 5:3-5
For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:
But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword.
Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.

Proverbs 15:24
The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

Proverbs 23:13-14
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Isaiah 33:14
The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Matthew 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Matthew 5:29-30
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 13:38-42
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 18:8-9
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matthew 25:28-30
Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 9:43-48
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 3:17
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

Luke 16:23-26
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Luke 16:28
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

II Peter 2:3-6
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Jude 1:6-8
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 9:1-2
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Revelation 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 14:9-11
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. .

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

This is just a smattering of what God plans for us. While it is slightly possible for God to forgive our shortcomings, He created us born chock full of sin that must be overcome. Very, very few will ever be able to actually do that. Many think they did but will be in for a rude awakening when they find themselves in Hell.
Matthew 3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
Matthew 3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.


Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

You have to wonder, why did God make it so difficult for us to be His Perfect Children? Simple, as most parents know, they have a favorite, one they love more than the others (certainly you understand what it is like to be on the short end of the stick). God Loves Jesus, He tolerates the rest of us. For now.

[Didymus Much]

Re: I'm confused

...I believe in Jesus and I know he loves me. Are you saying he doesn't?

No, the Bible says that:

Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

That means doing what the Bible tells you to, every last bit of it:

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

So how many homosexuals, disobedient children, witches, non-virigin brides (who have been properly paid for), and old guys who gathered sticks on the Sabbath have you killed recently?

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Do you believe God loves everyone?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I'm confused

But that famous verse, John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

i don't see how this isn't a Jesus who loves everyone?

Or have I bee wrong all these years....?!

In the same breath, He warns that until you believe in Him, you're damned for all eternity (John 3:18).

If you believe in a Jesus who loves and saves everyone, then you believe in a character that has been fabricated, a cultural invention that evolved over time and in conjunction to social expectations of good and bad. But that guy doesn't exist. Never did.

If you want to know the Real Jesus, you have to read, and trust, and believe the Holy Bible.

Besides, think about it. Why would a God who loves everyone create Hell to torture them in ways that make waterboarding look like child's play... for all eternity?

That would be silly!

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Don't be silly. Jesus Himself tells us He doesn't love cherry-pickers like you (John 14:21).

I hope that helps.

But that famous verse, John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

i don't see how this isn't a Jesus who loves everyone?

Or have I bee wrong all these years....?!

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I'm confused

THAT's what I was talking about. I am not sure how you would have Jesus as compassionate and loving of mankind, only to kill everyone including those who believe in him.

I believe in Jesus and I know he loves me. Are you saying he doesn't?

Don't be silly. Jesus Himself tells us He doesn't love cherry-pickers like you (John 14:21).

I hope that helps.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

You are sorely confused. Haven't you read the Bible? Matthew 10:34 says "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Does that sound like love and compassion to you? Jesus came to earth to fulfill prophecy and True Christians. Rest assured, everyone else- including liberal false Christians like yourself- are going to be tossed into the lake of fire on judgement day.

THAT's what I was talking about. I am not sure how you would have Jesus as compassionate and loving of mankind, only to kill everyone including those who believe in him.

I believe in Jesus and I know he loves me. Are you saying he doesn't?

[Samuel Levenson]

Re: I'm confused

Hi there, I'm Rachel

I live in Scotland and I go to a church there. I'm a Protestant Christian and I came across your site.

I am confused because the Jesus I know is full of love and compassion, but the views on here are all of hate. Are you really Christians?

You are sorely confused. Haven't you read the Bible? Matthew 10:34 says "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Does that sound like love and compassion to you? Jesus came to earth to fulfill prophecy and save True Christians. Rest assured, everyone else- including liberal false Christians like yourself- are going to be tossed into the lake of fire on judgement day.

[RArnold]

Hi there, I'm Rachel

I live in Scotland and I go to a church there. I'm a Protestant Christian and I came across your site.

I am confused because the Jesus I know is full of love and compassion, but the views on here are all of hate. Are you really Christians?