[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

God tells us how the animals and plants came into being. You're saying that's not true. You're saying God is a big, fat, liar.

Forgive me but one of them has to be wrong, my problem is which is it?

I really want to know

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Beg pardon but you seem to have missed my question about God making humans and plants on different days, ex nilo.

How can humans and plants be related if one accepts the Bible as the very Words of Our Lord Jesus Christ?

My apologies if I offended you with reference to your age: that was remiss of me.

God bless.

Well that encapsulates my very issue, do I choose the bible, or scientific evidence?

And worry not! I took the age thing as a compliment

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I'm confused

Please expand

(Infraction noted) and I'm not an atheist.

God tells us how the animals and plants came into being. You're saying that's not true. You're saying God is a big, fat, liar.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: I'm confused

Not from a plant, but we share a common acestor with plants, although it's a few billion years ago (there is a subtle difference)

All the secular scientists I know would not say that.

And the mitochondria are constituents of animal cells thought to have been free-living at one stage, although we are not descended from them. The chloroplasts to my understanding (and I will submit to an expert on this) are on a different branch.

As such there is no discrepancy that I can see, can you clarify?

Thank you for describing me as young! (My nephew wouldn't agree!) I do appreciate it, but as to your question, I was more sure than I am now...

Beg pardon but you seem to have missed my question about God making humans and plants on different days, ex nilo.

How can humans and plants be related if one accepts the Bible as the very Words of Our Lord Jesus Christ?

My apologies if I offended you with reference to your age: that was remiss of me.

God bless.

[Didymus Much]

Re: I'm confused

...if I'm going to be a Christian I either accept all of it or none of it...

Have you ever read the Bible, the whole thing? You really should.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Are you really saying that you are descended from a plant? Even secular scientists know that God made humans with mitochondria rather than chloroplasts.

If you are an actual Christian you would know that God created humans on a different day to plants.

How do YOU explain this glaring discrepancy?

You seem like a young person who is close to losing her way: do you agree or disagree that the Bible is the Word of God?

God bless.

Dr Laurence Niles, PhD, MSc, PG Dips, Clin Psych

Not from a plant, but we share a common acestor with plants, although it's a few billion years ago (there is a subtle difference)

All the secular scientists I know would not say that.

And the mitochondria are constituents of animal cells thought to have been free-living at one stage, although we are not descended from them. The chloroplasts to my understanding (and I will submit to an expert on this) are on a different branch.

As such there is no discrepancy that I can see, can you clarify?

Thank you for describing me as young! (My nephew wouldn't agree!) I do appreciate it, but as to your question, I was more sure than I am now...

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: I'm confused

and cyano bacteria

Are you really saying that you are descended from a plant? Even secular scientists know that God made humans with mitochondria rather than chloroplasts.

If you are an actual Christian you would know that God created humans on a different day to plants.

How do YOU explain this glaring discrepancy?

You seem like a young person who is close to losing her way: do you agree or disagree that the Bible is the Word of God?

God bless.

Dr Laurence Niles, PhD, MSc, PG Dips, Clin Psych

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

No one who loves God accuses Him of being a liar in His Holy Word.

Please expand

(Infraction noted) and I'm not an atheist.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

You are very cruel.

I don't mean it to be cruel, I didn't mean to insult.

Anyway, it's not an insult; There is grandure in this view of life...

Believing in God should not be a barrier to understanding

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I'm confused

I don't hate God, I love God

Corruption is, forgive me, a relativism, particularly in this arena. Can we at least agree on that?

No one who loves God accuses Him of being a liar in His Holy Word.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Our dear Pastor Ezekiel outlines 17 clear cases of evidence against the conjecture, supposition and ignorant flim-flam of "evolution" here.

Kindly use that thread for any lame evolutionary apologetics. This thread is about you, and why you apparently hate God so much you want to change the subject, rather than examine the sin and darkness in your filthy and corrupt soul.

May Christ save you.

In Him

I don't hate God, I love God

Corruption is, forgive me, a relativism, particularly in this arena. Can we at least agree on that?

[Alvin Moss]

Re: I'm confused

You're related to both, and horses, lemurs, brachiosaurs archaia and cyano bacteria

You are very cruel.

[RArnold]

Re: I'm confused

Again, I do not wish to discuss the Negroe/Ape controversy. Others here are more informed on the issue and they may wish to go into it. As for me, I have no fixed opinion on the subject, other than to state that I am not related to either Apes or Negroes.

You're related to both, and horses, lemurs, brachiosaurs archaia and cyano bacteria

[John Creeser]

Re: I'm confused

Why do I walk a dangerous line?

I've read your replies and I must say they make sense in a fundamental way, if I'm going to be a Christian I either accept all of it or none of it.

I have to say I was going to question your views but I'm now questioning my very Christianity!

You've heard the story of doughting Thomas? Look, it isn't easy to became saved and certainly walking the path of True Christian(tm) isn't for everybody. You either follow God's rules or you are condemned to everlasting damnation. The scriptures are clear, follow ALL of the Bible.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

You stated the Jesus we worship is different than yours. Well, the one you thought you knew isn't the real Jesus.

Matthew 5:17-20


17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Pretty cut and dried.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: I'm confused

I've read your replies and I must say they make sense in a fundamental way, if I'm going to be a Christian I either accept all of it or none of it.

You should read James 2:10 for guidance.