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Re: I'm here to remind you all you won't go to heaven
I'm glad you didn't introduce macaronics. Crazed charlatans like Deepak Chopra thrive on the stuff but in his case, understanding neither theology nor physics, the result would be hilarious except for the fact that he's on $-so-much-per-word and would say anything to get the rate up just that little bit more. I noticed you're a school teacher and so perhaps you'll be familiar with the idea that the sort of world you'd like to live in has no influence on the actual world. No doubt your learner group needs reminding of this fact frequently.
The idea that every living thing contains a fragment of the divine spark, that treatment of one living creature by another should reflect an image of secular reciprocity, can only be a fabrication. It is the world as you would like it to be.
A problem arises for you, and it's a big problem, when the actual world is encountered as for example by a grub when meeting a "friendly" parasitic wasp.
“Hello. My name is Fizzbomb. Can we be friends.”
What aspect of the divine spark is being expressed here? How does it fit in with your broader world view? Sure, the parasitic wasp is being provided for but at the direct expense of the little grub and why limit this characteristic to one species? Having visited Scotland fairly frequently I am aware of similar behaviours among more advanced specimens as perhaps you have yourself but whether or not you succumb to their slurred entreaty lingering death is not on the tableau of delights being suggested. Well, not intentionally. Usually. This does not present a problem for Christians. Satan has inseminated God's Perfect Creation with a worse seed than any parasitic wasp and we are more bloated than any victim beetle. We are bloated with SIN. That is why we need Jesus and not just Jesus alive. We need Jesus DEAD.
Why would God need to do that? Well, Abram was to be the progenitor a particular group of people, who were to maintain God's Plan for Salvation, through whom we received that most precious of gifts: Christ slain. Bloodshed is essential for remission of sins HERE context but no matter how many oxen or rams or little fluttering birds get their necks wrung or chopped up or both over any number of centuries there can never be sufficient blood spilled to atone for the magnitude of Eve's disobedience. And it would be many thousands of years before God manifest Himself as Jesus to be killed for us. In the meantime something had to be done to preserve the genealogy through which He would do that and Abram needed to understand how important he was.
According to secular moral systems such as proposed by you this is nonsensical. Why couldn't God just have killed Himself there and then? Wouldn't that have spared an immense quantity of suffering? Why did God punish Eve for a contract she had never entered into? And if it was necessary for The Holy Ghost to impregnate a virgin to manufacture some special sinless blood according to His plan, as He knew would be required before He created the world, why didn't He just impregnate Eve and have Jesus standing by so that when she ate the fruit Adam could simply nail Him up on the spot? No further sacrifices required? But Abram did accept God's promise and the Saviour was born exactly as planned. If Abram had been a Jain he would have obsessed over the suffering of the livestock to such a degree that God's promise became impossible to communicate and when later on it became necessary for The Israelites to exterminate the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaims, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites & Jebusites their bleeding hearts might have spared all those lives. "Poor little Kadomite baby," the Jain would bleat. "Spare its little toes, look: spare its fingers too HANG IT ALL spare the whole baby!" And before you knew it there'd be Kadomites everywhere seeking revenge for what was perpetrated and in cahoots with all the other K's H's P's A's C's G's & J's the I's would probably have been wiped out and Jesus could not have been born.
But that's not how God's plan works. If alien philosophies are admitted, The Bible teaches, society becomes infected with false doctrine hatched by callous and uncaring creeds having no inhibition against consuming the host culture alive until they burst out like a maggot volcano from the hollow shell of ruined faith. No thank you; not today. We have Jesus.
Originally posted by Harsha Shah
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The idea that every living thing contains a fragment of the divine spark, that treatment of one living creature by another should reflect an image of secular reciprocity, can only be a fabrication. It is the world as you would like it to be.
A problem arises for you, and it's a big problem, when the actual world is encountered as for example by a grub when meeting a "friendly" parasitic wasp.
“Hello. My name is Fizzbomb. Can we be friends.”Genesis 15 KJV
9-12 [God said to Abram] Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
9-12 [God said to Abram] Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
Why would God need to do that? Well, Abram was to be the progenitor a particular group of people, who were to maintain God's Plan for Salvation, through whom we received that most precious of gifts: Christ slain. Bloodshed is essential for remission of sins HERE context but no matter how many oxen or rams or little fluttering birds get their necks wrung or chopped up or both over any number of centuries there can never be sufficient blood spilled to atone for the magnitude of Eve's disobedience. And it would be many thousands of years before God manifest Himself as Jesus to be killed for us. In the meantime something had to be done to preserve the genealogy through which He would do that and Abram needed to understand how important he was.
17-18 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
According to secular moral systems such as proposed by you this is nonsensical. Why couldn't God just have killed Himself there and then? Wouldn't that have spared an immense quantity of suffering? Why did God punish Eve for a contract she had never entered into? And if it was necessary for The Holy Ghost to impregnate a virgin to manufacture some special sinless blood according to His plan, as He knew would be required before He created the world, why didn't He just impregnate Eve and have Jesus standing by so that when she ate the fruit Adam could simply nail Him up on the spot? No further sacrifices required? But Abram did accept God's promise and the Saviour was born exactly as planned. If Abram had been a Jain he would have obsessed over the suffering of the livestock to such a degree that God's promise became impossible to communicate and when later on it became necessary for The Israelites to exterminate the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaims, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites & Jebusites their bleeding hearts might have spared all those lives. "Poor little Kadomite baby," the Jain would bleat. "Spare its little toes, look: spare its fingers too HANG IT ALL spare the whole baby!" And before you knew it there'd be Kadomites everywhere seeking revenge for what was perpetrated and in cahoots with all the other K's H's P's A's C's G's & J's the I's would probably have been wiped out and Jesus could not have been born.
But that's not how God's plan works. If alien philosophies are admitted, The Bible teaches, society becomes infected with false doctrine hatched by callous and uncaring creeds having no inhibition against consuming the host culture alive until they burst out like a maggot volcano from the hollow shell of ruined faith. No thank you; not today. We have Jesus.
I think you're right. What do you think he can be then? A Jehovah's Witness???
Apparently they think they're not going to heaven either.... just 144,000 of them.
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