[Nobar King]

Re: Hello capitalists!

Hippies are the disgusting sons of the first world capitalist. They are our enemies. I prefer to be stoned to death by a group of redneck capitalists than to sit in round with hippies to sing folk songs.

it doesn't matter who you're smoking the reefer with, it's still a sin, and you're still going to hell.

[Red Army]

Re: Hello capitalists!

I came across little twits like you close to 50 years ago - we called them "cafeteria socialists". Nothing seems to stop you - even though most of Marx's "theories" (like his "labor theory" of value) have been roundly disproved ages ago.

50 years ago! I was in Paris at that time, the end of the 60's. So many memories. In those days, I would have taken offense on your insult, but nowadays I can just put a little smile on my face and let pass, just knowing that your innocence is true. I guess this would be the right verse from the Bible for this:
Proverbs 19:11 - The discretion of a man deferreth his anger; and [it is] his glory to pass over a transgression.



As for the Marx's theories being disproved, this is not the right forum to discuss it. This forum is about the Bible, so please, you made a huge statement. Would you care to point me to which part of the Bible disproves the marxist labor theory of value?

You would expect by now that all this would have been swept into the dustbin of history - particularly considering the dead body count from the last century. But no, there's always the endless excuses -

Let´s see...

from blaming the Bolsheviks,

No, the bolsheviks were ok.

or is it that Trotsky was really right but no one listened to him

Yes he was right, and trotskism is still alive and well

(or was that Luxemburg).

No, she failed to see what was going on with the agrarian question. Sad for fer.


Comrade Bryan, I'm sure you are used to fight against people that pose as Crhistians, but they are not. It happens the same in my world.

Oh, and then why is it that the proletariat didn't revolt and overthrow the bourgeoisie - oh yea, we need to change it a bit - the bourgeoisie have to overthrow the feudal monarchy before the proletariat can overthrow the bourgeoisie.

No my comrade, permanent revolution is the real asnwer. All other are mere disguised forms of capitalism.
If the people did not make the revolution yet, there is no one else to blame than the Communist leaders who failed to lead them. You can see it here:


All talk to the effect that historical conditions have not yet “ripened” for socialism is the product of ignorance or conscious deception. The objective prerequisites for the proletarian revolution have not only “ripened”; they have begun to get somewhat rotten. Without a socialist revolution, in the next historical period at that, a catastrophe threatens the whole culture of mankind. The turn is now to the proletariat, i.e., chiefly to its revolutionary vanguard. The historical crisis of mankind is reduced to the crisis of the revolutionary leadership. - Leon Trotsky, The Transitional Programme (The Death Agony of Capitalism and the Tasks of the Fourth International).1938.



Sorry for not quoting the Bible.

Of course when anyone suggests that you simply move to one of the "socialist workers paradise" places - like the Juche socialism of the Kim family in North Korea, Castro's Cuba, or the more recent collapsing Venezuela, there is always the retort that they just didn't implement "True Marxism" - and the State just didn't wither away like Marx predicted.

No, my comrade! If I move to those places (which I'd love to do!) they would kill me! It is pretty much like saying that you have to move to the middle east if you want the closest thing to a Biblical Law as you can get. Well, they kill Christians in there!

Let's face it - your kind is simply the useful idiot, hoping to become one of the intellectual "bourgeoisie" that wants to tell the rest of us what to do - and get your own Dacha with the rest of the ruling elite.

Very aggressive closing line, my friend. I don't want to tell you what to do, no. I am in a mission from my party to get to know you deep. I don't want you to convert to trotskism, or anything similar.

[Red Army]

Re: Hello capitalists!

it doesn't matter who you're smoking the reefer with, it's still a sin, and you're still going to hell.

I do not know much about sin, but reefers are the opium of the young people and smokers should be punished.


I do not smoke anything. Thanks for the warning, though.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Hello capitalists!

. . .

As for the Marx's theories being disproved, this is not the right forum to discuss it. This forum is about the Bible, so please, you made a huge statement. Would you care to point me to which part of the Bible disproves the marxist labor theory of value?

. . .

If you're talking about the Bible (KJV1611) and the labor theory of value, we look no further than Jesus in Matthew:

And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

- Matthew 20:2-15

So there you have it, some really simple concepts here - and proof that Jesus understood praxeology 2000 years ago. Of course Marx had no use for Jesus, so he just missed it.

Now I know what you're going to say - exploitation of the workers, all property is theft, and this wouldn't have happened under collectivized farming, and maybe send in the thug union organizers (you commie twits are so predictable).

As to the rest of your diatribe - guess what, you're not the first (nor the last) commie troll to come around here to assert that Jesus was a socialist. You all think you're smart enough to come around and practice your sophistry (often under the guise of "studying" Christians). I don't know how you make a living - maybe you're funded by one of Georges Soros' numerous 501( c )( 3 ) commie organizations, or just living in your mommies basement.

The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming number of you commies couldn't run a hot dog stand at a profit. Oh, did I say "Profit" - bad word, maybe if you had a "profit" you just might accumulate some "Capital". And "Capital" puts forth just what we're talking about here - the commies are "Capitalists" just like everyone else, the argument is over just who should control it, and that's where you little commie twits like to tell everyone else what to do.

Go get a real education and then come back - otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time, including your own.

[Red Army]

Re: Hello capitalists!

If you're talking about the Bible (KJV1611) and the labor theory of value, we look no further than Jesus in Matthew:

So there you have it, some really simple concepts here - and proof that Jesus understood praxeology 2000 years ago. Of course Marx had no use for Jesus, so he just missed it.

Thanks for the effort, comrade Bryan. But there is no way that this disproves the marxist theory. Anyway, I don't want to break the forum rules. All I'm going to say is that with a Socialist state this images you brought from the Bible would happen the same.

Now I know what you're going to say - exploitation of the workers, all property is theft, and this wouldn't have happened under collectivized farming, and maybe send in the thug union organizers (you commie twits are so predictable).

All property of means of production. Not all property. You can keep your house and your car, comrade! But I am not here to teach, but to listen. And thugs, yes, we have many, but will keep them for the important things.

As to the rest of your diatribe - guess what, you're not the first (nor the last) commie troll to come around here to assert that Jesus was a socialist.

I have never said that. Jesus was not socialist, because the conditions for socialism were not ready at the time he lived (at least, his "human" life, I don't want to argue about him being still alive)

You all think you're smart enough to come around and practice your sophistry (often under the guise of "studying" Christians). I don't know how you make a living - maybe you're funded by one of Georges Soros' numerous 501( c )( 3 ) commie organizations, or just living in your mommies basement.

My mother has passed away more than 30 years ago. A though live she had, hidding from the stalinist hire guns. If you might know, I am a professional communist and my party pays me a salary. And G Soros funds a lot of pseudo-socialist organizations but never the IV International because he knows we will execute him.

The fact of the matter is that the overwhelming number of you commies couldn't run a hot dog stand at a profit. Oh, did I say "Profit" - bad word, maybe if you had a "profit" you just might accumulate some "Capital". And "Capital" puts forth just what we're talking about here - the commies are "Capitalists" just like everyone else, the argument is over just who should control it, and that's where you little commie twits like to tell everyone else what to do.

So what it is? Do we have G Soros on our side, so we can run business with millions of dollars of profit or we cannot run a hot dog stand? Profit is not a bad word, it is just something that happens. It is what we do with the profit what matters the most. Again, nothing of this has to do with the Bible, it is not the goal of this forum and I don't want to break any rule.

Go get a real education and then come back - otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time, including your own.

I'm 88 years old. It is too late for me to educate myself more than I have done in the past. But still I can learn about the Bible, can't I?


Proverbs 16:3 The hoary head is a crown of glory, if it be found in the way of righteousness.

[Red Army]

Re: Hello capitalists!

Hello comrades! I think it must be a great day for all of you. At our party, we are commanded to be happy now that Donald Trump won the election to be leader of the world. Under his command, with a few whispers from Comrade Putin, the world will be a better place to live.


As we are under attack from pseudo –leftists all around the globe that preach that Hillary was a better option, the party had to launch a statement to help the proletarian avant-garde to be clarified.


Here is the statement, but as I’m ordered not to break any of the forum rules, I had to insert some biblical references in between. I hope you can appreciate and use the references, and disregard the rest of the contents that I am forced to post due to the decision from the politburo.

Statement from the Revolutionary Workers Party, member of the IV International:


1) The RWP supports all efforts to make the working class stronger. The Donald Trump campaign was based on bringing back to America the jobs from China and Mexico. That is a huge step in making America’s working class stronger. China is already communist so we don’t care and Mexico deserves the worst for letting Trotsky being killed.
As every American will have a job, there will be no reason to steal and Mr Trump policy on law enforcement could be applied with no moral constrains. We recommend looking at gulags as a way to make sure that even jailed people contributes by working.
Your biblical reference about punishment by forced labor:
Ephesians 4:28 - Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
2) We recognize that under Trump homosexuality will be treated as a disease, as it was discovered by the Soviet scientists and published in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia. Also the laws could be based on the Article 121 from 1934 SSSR legislation. As a Trotskyist party, we know the imperfection of the soviet era after the banning of our prophet. But nevertheless we defend the SSSR against its enemies, so we defend its rules and regulations.
Your biblical reference:
Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
3) Mr Trump said that he will restrict the “free commerce” with other countries. As Marx stated that any development of commerce between a communist country and a capitalist country will lead to the disappearing of the communist country; so Mr Trump’s measures will strengthen the position of communist countries.
International commerce is done by merchants, so this is what your Bible has to say about them…
Ecclesiasticus 26:29 - A merchant shall hardly keepe himselfe from doing wrong: and an huckster shall not be freed from sinne.
4) The new president stated that no longer foreign people will be admitted in the US. Those are great news as that was a way for the labor class of “shithole” countries to escape the need for a revolution. No more “American dream” for all the mesoamericans, which now will have to focus on liberation.
Biblical call for liberation:
John 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.


As stated above, the RWP will be supporting Donald Trump in every measure he takes. We are very pleased that America has rejected the false liberal option of Hillary Clinton and that pseudo-socialism represented by Sanders has never been an option.
Revolutionary Workers Party - Undisclosed location, 11-09-2016

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Hello capitalists!

Would that be the Partido Revolucionario de los Trabajadores or the Partido Obrero Revolucionario?

[Red Army]

Re: Hello capitalists!

Would that be the Partido Revolucionario de los Trabajadores or the Partido Obrero Revolucionario?

None. Those two are deviations from the real communism. We are trying to make a subgroup of those two parties break and form a new party in Mexico. We are still working on the name in Spanish as all of them seem to be already taken.