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Thankyou all, for your kind words. I will still not eat unclean things.
Your instruction has been useful, and the grammar lessons beneficial.
Stay well.
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It is helpful though when we need to confirm what God has given us as part of His plan for Salvation, which is a pretty important plan, really does hold water. It's not as though someone's sat down and cobbled together a whole lot of stuff with internal plot lines neatly tied off as the fable progresses.Originally posted by Thomas Taylor View Post
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Have you not been reading people's responses, dear? People have rebuked you countless times for your obsession with interpretation. It's not healthy and we're not interested in how you "interpret" what the Bible says.Originally posted by docscience View Post
And we have no need for you to do it either. So on this point, at least, we are 100% in agreement! This is good news and we can all move on.Originally posted by docscience View Post
Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
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Frankly, my dear, I don't give a condemned sinner.Originally posted by docscience View Post
Why? I won't have to decide. Jesus will choose what I eat.
Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes
Yours in Christ,
Elmer
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to Elmer G. White
When I look at, and compare the 2 different methods of interpreting the food laws in the NT, there seems to be no method to figure out which one is correct. The sole verse of Isaiah 66:17 seems to be the only verse that points to the food laws still being in effect at this time.
I thought Isaiah 66:17 would make it obvious that the food laws are still in effect. I had felt the need to point this out. It seems that many other people do not see it that way. The replies have been very useful to me to figure out what I need research more.
If the food laws are a few of the laws that are still in effect, it will have serious consequences for those who want to eat swine.
If the food law was done away, then those people are in a safer position. I had felt the need to point out my position.
I still feel that the food laws are still in effect. I have made my views known, so there is nothing more I should do, and I must just get back to my research. I had to organize my information, and people's responses forced me to organize it faster.
For anyone wanting to know the other food law interpretation, the best video still is
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ftqnlhg-Sw
I have wanted people to know that there is another point of view.
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Isaiah 7 is also a direct a direct prophecy telling what will happen at a future time.Originally posted by docscience View Post
But when people start applying abstruse interpretations they come up with multiple time frames all in disagreement and claimed not to refer to Jesus at all. I outlined one such interpretation. If there is no prophecy about Him, then the circumstances of His birth become irrelevant. So why are they recorded? Did they even happen? Did the authors just make it up? If they made it up, how would you believe that they didn't make up more? Maybe they made up Jesus too.
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Mr Docscience,
If I may, I'd like to ask you a bit more about your motivation regarding our community. Please, be aware of some basic issues regarding this discussion:
- We are well aware that the Bible has prophecies that will soon be fulfilled.
- We are also well aware that God/Jesus will come and cause previously unseen amounts of havoc because He is most displeased with the current state of humanity. This was also foreseen.
Why concentrate only on Isaiah, as we have been presented with much more detail about these events in the NT? Verily, there is going to be fire and burning!
Revelation 9:18
By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
This is basic Biblical knowledge and all this will happen in due course. I have some difficulties following your train of thought but it seems that you're warning us about things that we already know and cherish!
Revelation 13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Revelation 16:8
And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
It's not exactly news, is it? This has been on the forefront of knowledge for 2000 years. Of course, we won't be here on Earth to see it, but we'll be following the procedures from above (1 Thessalonians 4:17). First God will poison and burn one third of sealife, vegetation, etc., and as people fail to submit, He'll burn and poison the rest. Only those who really suffer in martyrdom in the hands of the sinners will be beamed up into Heaven during these troublesome times (Revelation 6:9). People will gnaw their tongues, they will suffer on an unprecedented scale. Jesus will show no more mercy unless they Repent. We've done that already. We're safe. Is there a point in warning us?
Another thing, I'd like to discuss your approach. Is the hateful scaring of sinners really the way to go? We have chosen to give them our unconditional love in order to lead them into the conditional Love of Jesus (John 3:16-18). Let us not frighten them off with only warnings, but let us also give them the alternative. If they follow all God's Commandments meticulously (Ecclesiastes 12:13), they have a small chance of Salvation left (Matthew 7:14). Strangely enough, the unsaved sinners a a curious bunch, and they often respond very well to our many threads that are filled with Love and Encouragement.
Dear Jesus, please take me today but if You won't, let your Will be done. Still I continue to pray in the manner You taught me (1 Thessalonians 5:17) in expectation of a speedy entry into Heaven!
Yours in Christ,
Elmer
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I do not see Isaiah 7 & 8 , as relevant to the prophecy in Isaiah 66:15-17
It is a different time frame.
Isaiah 66:15-17 is a direct prophecy telling what will happen at a future time.
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This video "What the New Testament Says About Clean and Unclean Meats" explains the other interpretation of the verses, very well.
This is the best video that I have heard on the subject. The main part of the speech starts at 32:00 minutes in.
All of these verses have 2 different ways of interpreting them.
Matthew 15:11 , MARK 7:14-23 , Luke 10:1-8 , ACTS 10:10-16 , ACTS 11:5-11 , Romans 14:14 ,
1-Corinthians 10:23-27 , Colossians 2 2:16-17 , 1-timothy 4:4-5 , 2-PETER 1:19-21 ,
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The only method that you would be familiar with, is the one given in most churches.
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This video explains the some of the same as above, with a slightly different approach, concerning the dietary laws.
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-But you still have not answered why in Mark and Colossians, it is said that food does not matter regarding salvation.
Was Jesus lying? The NT is wrong?
I want an explanation from your side of this argument of those points. Thanks.
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Their explanation ( v=0Ftqnlhg-Sw ) is that all of those NT verses, are connected with eating meats connected with idols.
Their view is that the meat and food connected with idols does not effect the matter regarding salvation.
Their view is that those verses are not referring to Unclean things,
Those unclean things not meat, and can effect salvation, as shown by the deaths in Isaiah 66:17
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According to their explanation, no person should be eating unclean things.
Their explanation says that unclean things are not meat or food, which includes pigs, swine, etc.
In the Levitical laws, eating unclean things, was a severe sin to the body.
Jesus treated unclean things that way, and also all of the disciples.
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Jesus was not lying, because Jesus was never referring to eating unclean things.
Jesus was talking eating food related to the man made Pharisees laws.
The Pharisees would never touch pigs or other unlean things.
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1-Corinthians 61:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom
of God ? Be not deceived : neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor
extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
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According to their explanation, Unclean things could be added to this list in 1-Corinthians 61:9-10
Isaiah 66:17 Talks about death connected with eating pigs and swine etc.
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That explains the difference.
Most christian churches use the explanation that the verses are talking about all things as food.
The other view is that unclean things are never meat or food, and should never be eaten.
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When you have listened to that video, ( v=0Ftqnlhg-Sw ) then you would have to choose which explanation that you want to except.
Both have very persuasive arguments. Those are the options.
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But you still have not answered why in Mark and Colossians, it is said that food does not matter regarding salvation.Originally posted by docscience View Post
Was Jesus lying? The NT is wrong?
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I have offered two approaches for you to reflect upon what happens when we start running interpretations concerning prophecy. Firstly, a simple quote from God, recorded by Peter. Secondly, an example of what happens when I must say a very tenuous interpretation is applied to prophecy using the example from Isaiah 7 & 8 which you can review here.
I expected you to ignore these and you did, I must say in fine style even by the standards of those who ignore God's Inerrant Word:
When your cultic leader makes the mesmeric passes what words are mumbled in your ear? And why do you elevate them above The Word Of God? So many examples have been presented to you, it's as though there's an impenetrable wall of glass surrounding you. Were you told it's a special magic wall to protect you? But what a funny magic it is, where the least movement will break that glass and your world come tumbling down! Beacuse in reality it's a wall made of nothing. Although I have never been persuaded by heretical denominations there are others here who would be able to help you, who have been through what you're experiencing now. If you contact the Pastors they will be only too happy to lead you out from the vitrified landscape into green pastures where everything is new, everything is clear and clearest of all the living water, Jesus.To which you replied:
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no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.Originally Posted by docscience, posts from this page alone being more than adequate
This topic is ONLY concerning the Levitical FOOD laws of Leviticus 11. All of your responces in the past, have helped me figure out, how this message should be worded. Thankyou for your help. I begin by pointing out that "Pim Pendergast" has written an excellent article, which is posted on this forum, at this link here. landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=88638 landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=989228 When you look at the list of all the laws in the OT, many are repeated in the NT and are still in effect. There are 4 options. Some laws are done away, some remain unchanged, some enhanced, and some added. Another exceptional article, posted right here on this forum site, by "Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson" is titled a short list of 67 laws in the NT. Most of the laws were from the OT Torah, and it is right on this forum site. landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=65069 There are 2 entirely differing and opposing explanations of Paul's writings concerning the Levitical food laws. One explanation says that the food laws were done away and nailed to the cross, and the other says that the Leviticus ch.11 food laws are still fully in effect, and are NOT done away. Both have very persuasive supporting arguments. IN BOTH interpretations, all verses concerning food, in the NT, are interpreted and understood, to agree with their particular position. Most Christians are ONLY taught the one explanation, that says that the food laws are done away. Many of those, are also taught that it is bondage to obey the Levitical food laws. The other opposing explanation has been explained by several different groups, and posted in youtube videos. Unless you study both views, you will not be able to know if, or which view, is the correct one. I am going to give you my conclusions as brief as I can, but you should research it yourself, to see which you agree with. It is important for you to remember that every passage in the NT concerning food, has the 2 opposing interpretations, in which one interpretation agrees with the position that they are supporting. IT is important that you know that both positions are completely in opposition to each other, and only 1 can be correct, NOT both. Either the FOOD laws are done away OR they are still fully in effect. I found this to be one of the better supporting videos ( v=PgyhEEQz0PY). The OT supports the Food laws as being fully in effect. Throughout the OT, the food laws are mentioned many times. If we say that the Food laws list in Leviticus is done away, we are not able to use that, as supporting evidence. Most references in the OT can NOT be used as supporting evidence of the food laws. I have been able to find only 1 other piece of evidence which will support one of the positions. KJV Isaiah 66:17 says that people eating pigs and swine are going to be consumed, (turned into toast) at that future event. Isaiah is writing about a future prophecy, which is to happen at some point, which is still in the future to us. Isaiah's prophecy can NOT be done away, or cancelled, because that would make Isaiah a false prophet. Jesus never mentioned that there was any problems with Isaiah's prophecies. We do not know when this future event will happen, therefore, for our safety, we should always follow the Levitical food laws. IF this is true, as described, the food laws, are a few of the laws, that are still in effect. I am writing this, because, if this is true, I do not want to see any of you people, turned into toast. You will not be able to say that you were not warned. sincerely, Gilbert. to Brother Gonzalez I wrote that there are 2 complete separate interpretations of all the verses that you mention. Most people have only been taught your interpretation that you mention. The other interpretation is just as complete, and you ignore it completely. Isaiah 66:15-17 is not a law. It is a prophecy, and prophesies only get fulfilled, and in this case, in that future time. Isaiah's future prophecy applies to everyone, not just the jews. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you. your quote Do you keep the Sabbath ?? to Brother Gonzalez You are incorrect on this. Very few if any Jews would ever touch pork, and especially the Pharisees whom Jesus criticized. You are commenting on some things that you do not understand. There is another point I need to mention , but it will take time to find the items. This section deals with THE DEATHS OF THOSE TAKEN AWAY These next (6) EVENTS all appear to descibe the very same "END TIME EVENT", which is to happen in the future, when Jesus returns. T would guess that it must be important, to be mentioned 6 times The tares are TAKEN FIRST, to be DESTROYED , and mentions including fire. Matthew 13:30 Gather ye together FIRST THE TARES, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 13:38 the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Matthew 13:39 the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Matthew 13:40 As therefore the TARES are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall GATHER OUT of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; Matthew 13:42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire This is the same message, the chaff will be purged (taken) FIRST, and then the wheat gathered Matthew 3:12 he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Luke 3:17 he will thoroughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable. PLEASE NOTE below, that all those TAKEN AWAY, all DIED. Also notice that the ones that die, are TAKEN FIRST, just like the examples above.This is not a rapture here. Matthew 24:39 and knew not until the flood came, and TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be TAKEN, and the other left. The one that is TAKEN, is the one that is KILLED, and is where the eagles are. This is also NOT a rapture here. Luke 17:34-36 the one shall be TAKEN, and the other left. Luke 17:37 they answered and said unto him, WHERE, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. This event also appears to be that same future event when Jesus returns. This also appears to match up precisely with the previous verses that I just mentioned. Isaiah 66:15-16 behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh : and the slain of the Lord shall be many. Isaiah 66:17 Those eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord. IT means that those, who continue ignoring the Levitical DIETARY LAWS, will be killed by the wrath of GOD, when Jesus returns. The meaning of Isaiah 66 is very clear, that Moses dietary laws are still in effect, at this future time event, and have not been done away. Since we do not know when this future time is, we should be observing the Levitical dietary laws, always. This is a prophecy like the others, and prophecies do not get done away, they only get fulfilled. This one, will not be fulfilled, until that end time. to Brother Gonzalez I wrote that there are 2 complete separate interpretations of all the verses that you mention. Most people have only been taught your interpretation that you mention. The other interpretation is just as complete, and you ignore it completely. I do not think that you have even read the other interpretation which is contrary to yours. You also do not understand prophecy, and should not be commenting about prophecy. Isaiah 66:15-17 is definitely a future prophecy, which has never been fulfilled. My best guess is that the angels are sent (Matthew 13:41) to purge the ungodly (the 6 items that I list) at the same time as "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout," I just realized that your verse is in your signature line, which make it handy. Thankyou for having it there. It does not conflict with the other prophecy. I have studied this for many years. Isaiah 66:15 makes it very clear For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, That has definitely not happened yet. It would be beneficial if someone else would explain Isaiah 66:15-17 if that would be of benefit. I do not wish to spend time to argue the prophecy. I am sent here to point out the prophecy. I tell you this with certainty, that there are literally people on this forum site, who do not want other people to know about these 3 verses of prophecy. to Joanna It is not you. Joanna, thankyou for the link. For all others, As Joanna points out about the substantiated claims, to understand her reply, Please just read the one verse (Isaiah 66 verse 17) at the link marked and underlined as (here,). Just click the link marked as (here,) and locate and read just the one verse. (Isaiah 66 verse 17)
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Hi Gil
may I ask if you know where i can get some dung to make bread? My resources are very low lately as I am on a fluid only diet 
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to Joanna --- It is not you. Joanna, thankyou for the link.Isaiah 64-66 is covered here, within
For all others, As Joanna points out about the substantiated claims, to understand her reply,
Please just read the one verse (Isaiah -66 verse 17 ) at the link marked and underlined as ( here, ).
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You may find the Search Function useful, dear, before you start making random, unsubstantiated claims about who wants whom to know what.
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My best guess is that the angels are sent ( Matthew 13:41 ) to purge the ungodly (the 6 items that I list) at the same time as "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,"
I just realized that your verse is in your signature line, which make it handy. Thankyou for having it there. It does not conflict with the other prophecy.
I have studied this for many years.
Isaiah 66:15 makes it very clear --For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury,
That has definitely not happened yet.
It would be beneficial if someone else would explain Isaiah 66:15-17 if that would be of benefit.
I do not wish to spend time to argue the prophecy.
I am sent here to point out the prophecy.
I tell you this with certainty, that there are literally people on this forum site, who do not want other people to know about these 3 verses of prophecy.Leave a comment:
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No, my friend, it is you that do not understand.
Your explanation has to ignore Mark and Colossians. The underlying explanation is that Jesus was lying when He wrote that. A blasphemy.
Isaiah refers to the Jews. It is not washed away. Regarding your poor understanding of punctuation, I refer you to Brother Bathfire's explanation.
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