[MitzaLizalor]

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What you have said disregards Paul's rather unambiguous statement that all things are lawful. It may be lawful to hit yourself on the head with a hammer but that would be unedifying. In any event I do not wish to hammer my head but continued reading your lengthy and unsubstantiated material upon which I shall comment slightly: my points will be within the quote done in a Lapis Lazuli font for contrast.

concerning 1-corinthians 10:23-27

I have read both sides of the argument.



There is no argument



I know both sides of the argument.
Therefore I need to figure out if one is correct, or if both can be correct.

Isaiah 66:15-17 makes it clear that those eating unclean THINGS will become toast, when the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots.

So Is Isaiah correct or is Paul correct ??
We have very good confirmation that Isaiah has not changed and is correct.

2-Peter 3:16--as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things ; in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.



HERE IS THE PASSAGE IN CONTEXT:

II PETER 3 . KJV . look up
15c Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17a Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

We do not wrest with these things or with other Scriptures because we are not unstable and additionally are aware that being led away with this error of the wicked would lead to a fall from our steadfastness. Not only do we have the experiences of Paul and Peter chosen for us by God as a reliable guide through the vicissitudes of life, we have Jesus too. Here you have it straight from the Lawmaker Himself:

MARK 7 . KJV . look up
14 When he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Jesus knows the Old Testament very well, and I do need to point out that's the only Testament there was when Jesus was speaking and He had not been nailed to the Cross either; Jesus would have known about Isaiah 66.



We do know that peter says that Paul's writings are sometimes hard to understand.
There are a couple reasons for this.
One reason is that sometimes Paul is writing in response to questions, and so we get a one sided conversation.
Another is that Paul is addressing a specific issue, and items that are not specifically related to that issue, are not included.
Paul knows the OT very well and would have known about Isaiah 66.

In this case, 1-corinthians 10:23-27 are referenced.

-corinthians 10:28 --But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols,
Verse 28 makes it clear that the issue in the previous verses is about meat offered to idols.

-corinthians 10:25 -Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience’ sake :
Verse 25 --The explanation that I have heard



The very definition of hearsay! God is clear that His Word does not require interpretation.


is that when you buy meat, where ever, it is always, in normal circumstance, labeled as to the type of meat.
There is no need to ask what it is, because that would be labeled... So they would just NOT buy those unclean things.
But steaks, for example, a clean food, would not be labeled weather it was sacrificed to idols, therefore Paul means -do not ask if it is sacrificed to idols,
because the idols that they are sacrificed to, are not living things but just stone objects, and therefore meaningless, and does not effect the meat.

The verses before vrs 23 again talk about food sacrifices and idols.
The whole passage topic is concerning and references food and idols.

Paul would be well aware that swine is not food, and that this would be well known, because anyone going to a synagogue anywhere, would learn this message.
There would be no need for Paul to mention that unclean things are not food.
This same theme is related to all other Bible passages where Paul talks about eating.

Paul says this in Acts 24:14 - so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets : .
This means that Paul would never contradict a prophecy, nor eat unclean animals, and never teach to eat unclean animals.

Your choices are that you either accept that this is correct, OR
the alternative is that either Paul is wrong, or Isaiah is wrong.

IT IS YOUR CHOICE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL ISAIAH A FALSE PROPHET, BECAUSE JESUS DID NOT SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ISAIAH.




I suggest you read The Bible before making any more fallacious remarks. The one you've succumbed to in whatever cult you're associating with is the false dichotomy, equivalent to proffering a choice between TARTAN or CHARTREUSE WITH CERISE POLKA DOTS for sky colour. Paul did not say “Buy anything you like to eat subject to food labelling regulations” and you have not included any examples of Roman regulatory law to support your inane proposition. In any event since you seem so taken with Peter it's probably about time for some more Scripture.

ACTS 10 . KJV . whole chapter
9b Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

Still preferring the teachings you have received over actual words spoken by Jesus, written by Paul and spoken to Peter? Just in case that happened God makes quite sure we get the point in the next chapter which I'm happy to post for you.

ACTS 11 . KJV . whole chapter
5 [Peter speaking] I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me. 12a And the spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting.

Assorted “ifs” and “buts” removed for brevity.

Many people fellowshipping here have been delivered from cults such as the Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, New Mathura Vrindabanists, Raëlians and so on although why anyone would believe a French racing car driver who invented a free love creed hallucinating inside a volcano is beyond me you'd think the words "free love," "racing car driver" & "French" would be a dead giveaway not to mention it's just what you'd expect him to do even without the volcano but I digress and in any event it's the same process by which all alternative denominations are produced more or less.

God knew that would happen. I can imagine the sorts of mumblings Raël would insinuate in one's ear if he got close enough but as for the others their mumblings (or shoutings-from-the-rooftop as the case may be) certainly come under the heading PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS concerning which God has said, recorded once again by Peter:

II PETER 1 . KJV . look up
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

If you would like to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour contact the Pastoral team at any time.

[Didymus Much]

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...Further, in the important areas, they completely avoid and evade important points of scripture, and do not mention what they are afraid to talk about...

Now here's your chance to surprise the Hell out of me:

Unlike every other poster who has ever come here and claimed that Landover is avoiding or ignoring ANYTHING in the King James Bible, how about, instead of just a blanket accusation lacking any specifics at all (you've covered that already), actually bringing up the Scripture you feel has been overlooked, and tell us what the True Christians™ should do about it? That'd be great.

Also, bolding is for emphasis. If you're "emphasising" your whole post, it kinda misses the point. So don't do that.

[docscience]

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To Basilissa --- Thankyou for the links. I have examined them.
They mostly do not conflict with what I have written. Further, in the important areas, they completely avoid and evade important points of scripture, and do not mention what they are afraid to talk about.
That is good, because they are not misleading anyone, and they making a good representation of scripture.
I must commend them for that.
Thankyou for your efforts.
Sincerely,
Gilbert.

[docscience]

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to Des ---

"because the end days are nigh upon us!"
"the teachings of the paganistic Pestertarians."

Thou has well said that the end days are nigh upon us. Many unconnected prophesies are pointing to something happening in September 2017. It is not yet apparent what will happen, for that remains to be seen.
This link shows some of the events pointing to signs of the times.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=111929#11

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I do not follow the paganistic teachings of the Pestertarian, but know many people their. I do not know if I will be around their much longer.

[Basilissa]

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concerning 1-corinthians 10:23-27
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I have read both sides of the argument.
I know both sides of the argument.
Therefore I need to figure out if one is correct, or if both can be correct.

Dear Gilbert,

First, thank you for adhering to general rules of grammar and not ending all sentences with extra periods (it did hurt my eyes).

Second, one of the Pastors probably should weigh on this, but as a True Christian™ I can tell you that of course both are correct! All of the Holy Bible is the True Word of God and God would never contradict Himself, would He now?

Isaiah 66:15-17 makes it clear that those eating unclean THINGS will become toast, when the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots.
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So Is Isaiah correct or is Paul correct ??

They are both correct. So is Peter when he recalls his vision in Acts 10:9-16. May I recommend that you read what has been written on this subject in the Landover Bible commentary?

Isaiah 66
Acts 10
1 Corinthians 10

Most of your doubts have been addressed there.

I will pray that you understand that there are NO CONTRADICTIONS in the Bible.

[Des]

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Hello, Dilbert.

I see that you are in luck, because Jesus has seen it in His heart to lead you here among the True Believers. And just in time, too, because the end days are nigh upon us!


Make no mistake, the end times are drawing near just as surely as transgenitaled homers stalk playgrounds and porta-potties! And if you haven't found Jesus before then, well, you may as well be in the bottom of one of those porta-potties along with the transhomer pedophiles, because even that will be a luxury suite compared to where you'll be heading if you keep following the teachings of the paganistic Pestertarians.


Get your affairs right with Jesus, and do it quick. And boy, you better come correct! Because in Jesus' fair and loving estate there are no manors reserved for the unworthy. Not even a McMansion.


Glory on High onto He whose blood was spilled to deliver the worthy onto the kingdom of heaven!

[docscience]

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For one reason, I do not have a clue how to contact people using any messaging on this system, if I wanted to ask them a question without posting it.
Also, I do not know how someone would contact me likewise.
The easiest way seems to just post in the thread, but I never know if someone would be checking that thread and see the question.
Does that answer the question.
Thankyou for asking.
Gilbert Schmidt .

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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If anyone wishes to contact me,
My email is <redacted>

Why would anyone wish to contact you? This is not some online pre-teen dating agency.

[docscience]

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If anyone wishes to contact me,
My email ***personal contact intormation removed*** com

[docscience]

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concerning 1-corinthians 10:23-27
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I have read both sides of the argument.
I know both sides of the argument.
Therefore I need to figure out if one is correct, or if both can be correct.
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Isaiah 66:15-17 makes it clear that those eating unclean THINGS will become toast, when the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots.
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So Is Isaiah correct or is Paul correct ??
We have very good confirmation that Isaiah has not changed and is correct.
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2-Peter 3:16--as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things ; in which are some things hard to be understood,
which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
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We do know that peter says that Paul's writings are sometimes hard to understand.
There are a couple reasons for this.
One reason is that sometimes Paul is writing in response to questions, and so we get a one sided conversation.
Another is that Paul is addressing a specific issue, and items that are not specifically related to that issue, are not included.
Paul knows the OT very well and would have known about Isaiah 66.
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In this case, 1-corinthians 10:23-27 are referenced.
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-corinthians 10:28 --But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols,
Verse 28 makes it clear that the issue in the previous verses is about meat offered to idols.
-
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-corinthians 10:25 -Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience’ sake :
Verse 25 --The explanation that I have heard is that when you buy meat, where ever, it is always, in normal circumstance, labeled as to the type of meat.
There is no need to ask what it is, because that would be labeled... So they would just NOT buy those unclean things.
But steaks, for example, a clean food, would not be labeled weather it was sacrificed to idols, therefore Paul means -do not ask if it is sacrificed to idols,
because the idols that they are sacrificed to, are not living things but just stone objects, and therefore meaningless, and does not effect the meat.
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The verses before vrs 23 again talk about food sacrifices and idols.
The whole passage topic is concerning and references food and idols.
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Paul would be well aware that swine is not food, and that this would be well known, because anyone going to a synagogue anywhere, would learn this message.
There would be no need for Paul to mention that unclean things are not food.
This same theme is related to all other Bible passages where Paul talks about eating.
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Paul says this in Acts 24:14 - so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets : .
This means that Paul would never contradict a prophecy, nor eat unclean animals, and never teach to eat unclean animals.

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Your choices are that you either accept that this is correct, OR
the alternative is that either Paul is wrong, or Isaiah is wrong.
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IT IS YOUR CHOICE, IF YOU WANT TO CALL ISAIAH A FALSE PROPHET, BECAUSE JESUS DID NOT SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ISAIAH.
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If for any chance the food laws section were done away, it would not effect me in the least.
I find it very easy to just NOT buy pig or the particular sea foods.
It is not a burden to keep the dietary laws, nor does it put anyone "under the law" to do so.
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IF as it has been shown, the food laws are still in effect, according to Isaiah 66, millions of people are
living in perpetual habitual lawlessness, and will be killed by the wrath of God. (toast in that future day).
lawlessness is also iniquity.
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If you know of a better explanation, then please write or post a link.
I have given the alternative explanation, that makes it all cohesive and logical.
How do you want to roll your dice.
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There is much more, but this is long as it is.
Here is a video that is an hour long, and gives related Biblical explanations.
youtube.com/watch?v=PgyhEEQz0PY
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Sincerely ,
Gilbert Schmidt .
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[MitzaLizalor]

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I Corinthians 10:25
Paul is talking about food or meat offered to idols in this passage ....
That is what this whole discussion is about, both before it and after it....

1 CORINTHIANS 10 . KJV
23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
24 Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

The passage in questions covers a couple of points you raised. The verse I included refers to buying food in The Shambles, a sort of shopping area. You might like to comment on verse 23.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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I suppose, Sister, that in the case of the Clinton woman and witchcraft one could apply the Duck Test? Similarly, we at Landover tend to apply it to many of Unsaved Trash who come here to torment us, using what (in my country) we might call the Complete and Utter Prat Test.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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I have no Idea now, where to find the video.
But I do have a link to a related video.
youtube.com/watch?v=gAwHYSHjqXw
( Hilary Clinton Sacrifices Chickens to Moloch! )

Wow! The naysayer will say that's naught but photoshop probably created in 4chan. After all anyone can write the words and claim they came from an email. But who cares? That's scary and it fits what I believe to be true anyway, so it must be true!

[docscience]

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I have no Idea now, where to find the video.
But I do have a link to a related video.
youtube.com/watch?v=gAwHYSHjqXw
( Hilary Clinton Sacrifices Chickens to Moloch! )

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Since people are so very concerned with extra periods, points , how does one get the "forum gods" to give powers of editing posts ?

I see you're asking for favors using passive aggressive jabs and backhanded compliments. I don't think you quite know how civilized conversations work.

For those who do not know, A reliable source had said that the information was directly from Bill Clinton, a few years back, that Hillary had been involved in witchcraft for many years. It is on a youtube video, but I have no idea where to find that, now.

Are you suggesting we accept your assurances simply because you say so? You've not shown yourself to be a man of any character, your reputation thus far is bleak. I'll pray on it, and if the Holy Ghost assures me Himself, then I'll trust you. In the meantime, if you have some actual knowledge, that would be nice, too.