[handmaiden]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

I'm sure there are things you don't broadcast to everyone here. Things that people would think are 'perverted' or 'unGodly.'

Nah. I'm pretty much an open book. And even before I accepted Jesus as my Personal Lord and Savior, I didn't have the imagination to stray into perversion territory. As for harboring anything ungodly. . .

Jude 1:14
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Can you imagine how long people's introduction posts would be if they listed every single thing about themselves?

Please! We've read the Bible. Do you have any idea of how long the Begats are?

I found the forums rather intriguing, that's why I came.

But are you intrigued enough to actually study the Bible?

I also thought people here believed in God and Jesus. But boy...I guess I was mistaken there.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Now, clearly we are not devils. My point here is that an observation regarding whether someone believes in God and Jesus or not is only half of the story.

God loves everyone, no matter what our sins, and He is the only one who has the right to judge us. Not you, not me, or anyone else here.

Our Sister Basilissa has already provided you with verses to correct that misapprehension. If it's any comfort to you, yours is a very common fallacy.

For people who are supposed to be religious, most people here seem to act all 'holier than thou' and throw a lot of stones.

Do you know why you used those two phrases? Because that is most of what you know about the Bible.

I'm shocked that everything is either 'perverted' or 'unGodly' or 'blasphemous',

If you are easily shocked then maybe you shouldn't read the Bible.

I think people here would be better off if they just turned Amish.

"Amish website" makes as much sense as "Gay Christian".

[WWJDnow]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

Hello, Shadoe, and welcome to God's Favorite Church(TM). Back before I was saved, I heard a great limerick about Kentucky:

A teen boy from Knoxville Kentucy
Tried hard, but he never got lucky
So, to find some romance
He put rolls in his pants

.... and I'm just realizing this isn't an appropriate joke for a church forum. Forget I said anything!

[Roland]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

Aspirin originally came from willow trees, so they can't be all bad. Everything has good in it if you look hard enough.

Hi Shadoe,


I understand your position on the weeping willow. I do have a minor correction: The willow produces salicin, which has medicinal properties but you need a chemical process to turn it into aspirin. You can find more information on that here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/bjh.14520


Besides it´s medicinal value willows also produce nice material for making fences, clogs and baskets. And I probably missed a lot there too. But this is not about what I think. The Pastors here have already investigated me and decided that I am on the fast bus to Aeternal Damnation as soon as I perish.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

Hello, Shadoe, and welcome to God's Favorite Church™. Back before I was saved, I heard a great limerick about Kentucky:

A teen boy from Knoxville Kentucy
Tried hard, but he never got lucky
So, to find some romance
He put rolls in his pants

.... and I'm just realizing this isn't an appropriate joke for a church forum. Forget I said anything!

Brother Dnow, tell your teenage friend he might have more luck on the Asian continent. I spent many evenings successfully navigating the romance scene in Pattaya, Phnom Penh, the Dominican Republic etc. and would be happy to make introductions for the young fella.

[Shadoe_Hare]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

Where are you getting your information about God?

Thank you in advance for replying to my curiosity.

I get my information from the Bible the same as everyone, but apparently some people tend to interpret it differently.


Sometimes bad things happen to good people. And sometimes we may think it's a punishment because of something we, or someone else did, but that's not always the case.


Some one might think how bad it is that their car wouldn't start and think that God is punishing them, but it could be that God kept the car from starting to keep the person out of a horrible wreck on the Interstate.


I don't know where you got that I was upset when someone mentioned fursuits. I found the picture rather cool. They weren't colors I would have picked for mine though. Too loud.


There are a lot worse things that people could wear besides fursuits. I've seen five-year old girls that looked like little tramps and their mothers didn't look much better.

[Shadoe_Hare]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

That's actually pretty funny-lol!

[Shadoe_Hare]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

God judges our sins, and yes, we are allowed to judge others, but not be hypocritical about it.

Like someone here calling someone else perverted, sick, etc. when they should make sure they're not doing perverted or sick themselves first.


There's a lot of hypocrites in this place it seems...

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

I get my information from the Bible the same as everyone, but apparently some people tend to interpret it differently.

Spot on! Therein lies the problem.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

All interpretation is contrary to the Bible. It leads to chaos and sends people into Hellfire.

Sometimes bad things happen to good people. And sometimes we may think it's a punishment because of something we, or someone else did, but that's not always the case.

God orchestrates everything either by direct causation or by letting things happen. For instance, He might see a typical Catholic priest raping altar boys but decides to only observe due to reasons that may be related, e.g., to the sins of the boys' great-grandparents (Numbers 14:18) or, in the case of bastards in the family, removed by ten generations (Deuteronomy 23:2).

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

Some one might think how bad it is that their car wouldn't start and think that God is punishing them, but it could be that God kept the car from starting to keep the person out of a horrible wreck on the Interstate.

Yes, this is exactly the point above. God both caused or let the horrible wreck on the Interstate to happen and kept some possible Salvation material safe. The same with plane crashes. God may save a few people while letting the other passangers, including women and children, burn in agony that is, however, peanuts compared to the agonies of Hell! Also, in these cases, hereditary iniquity across generations (such as Deuteronomy 23:2) could be a reason.

I don't know where you got that I was upset when someone mentioned fursuits. I found the picture rather cool. They weren't colors I would have picked for mine though. Too loud.

As also hinted by our dear Sister Lizalor:

Zephaniah 1:8
And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

How do you interpret that as good?

There are a lot worse things that people could wear besides fursuits. I've seen five-year old girls that looked like little tramps and their mothers didn't look much better.

This argument is just the fallacy of whataboutism or two wrongs make a right. I'll elaborate. The fact that (in your opinion) worse things happen, does not make another slightly less evil (in your opinion) sin tolerable. You can always refer to an issue that (in your opinion) seems worse and try to divert the discussion unto that path. Obviously, your example of making children look like harlots is bad. But that does not make furry culture good. You just need to i) actually look at the Bible in its entirety and ii) learn the basic skills in logic and argumentation, and iii) justify your positions with actual Biblical passages keeping in mind that, also in that case, whataboutism won't work... and by following these simple guidelines there still might be a little hope for you.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Shadoe_Hare]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

The tale of Balaam and his ass is my favorite story in the Bible so I know it well. The story, put simply, is how Balaam learned that he needed to listen to God and how it's God who is in control.

A Furry, by the way, is just someone who likes anthropomorphic animals. (Animals with human characteristics.) The animals from the Lion King, Madagascar, Paddington Bear, etc. would be considered anthropomorphic because they can talk, have reasoning, and other human qualities.


Not all Furries create our own animal character much less have fursuits. Those things are ridiculously expensive.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

God judges our sins, and yes, we are allowed to judge others, but not be hypocritical about it.

Like someone here calling someone else perverted, sick, etc. when they should make sure they're not doing perverted or sick themselves first.

There's a lot of hypocrites in this place it seems...

Darling,

We cannot be sick or perverted. The Bible tells us that we cannot even commit sins!

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

But, in fact, that is irrelevant. What you are actually doing here is using the fallacious argument of tu quoque ("you also"). It is a kindergarten form of the ad hominem, accusing people of something instead of actually looking into the content of the argument ("You're stupid!" "No! You are!"). Obviously, this is persecution instead of discussion but we thrive in it (Matthew 5:12).

Ad hominem and tu quoque? This means that the veracity of an argument is not determined by the person who makes the claim but the actual content of the claim. Over here, the claims are based on the Bible, so to become plausible, you need to actually examine the content of a True Christian™ argument and not attack on the person making the argument. Examples:

• Penicillin would work equally well or not even it had bot been Alexander Fleming but Adolf Hitler who discovered it.
• My explanations about the Bible are valid (or not) regardless of if I am a hypocrite. (There is the question of Psalms 53:1 but we'll get to that if your posts diverge unto that path).

Once again, this is basic logic and to become a useful interlocutor, you might want to look into it.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Shadoe_Hare]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

Yes, I find most people here in the Forum inturpret the Bible very strangely, if not downright crazy.

A car pile up on an Interstate would be bad, yes, however, it could be that God needed to take certain people up to Heaven and made the car crash happen for that reason. It's sad, but if that's what God wanted, then so be it.


The person who couldn't get his car started and avoided the wreck might have needed to live for various reasons only known by God.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

The tale of Balaam and his ass is my favorite story in the Bible so I know it well. The story, put simply, is how Balaam learned that he needed to listen to God and how it's God who is in control.

Nice. This is OK but the appeal to personal authority ("I know it so well") is unnecessary and, actually, a fallacy. The veracity of the explanation does not depend on your personal characteristics (this is like the opposite fallacy to ad hominem, don't you think?).

A Furry, by the way, is just someone who likes anthropomorphic animals. (Animals with human characteristics.) The animals from the Lion King, Madagascar, Paddington Bear, etc. would be considered anthropomorphic because they can talk, have reasoning, and other human qualities.

Not all Furries create our own animal character much less have fursuits. Those things are ridiculously expensive.

You are now defining the concept "furry" in a manner to make it sin-free. Obviously, and we know this type of whitewashing very well, and there are people with predisposition to sin (such as homosexuality, female emancipation, pedophilia) who fight these urges and restrain themselves, which can be quite admirable. However, this does not contain those "furries" who act upon these vile impulses (against the advice in the Book of Zephaniah quoted above). But does this Save® them? Actually, it does not. Thought crimes are condemned by Jesus. Thinking about sins is exactly the same as committing them in the flesh!

Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The complaint about prices is just reminiscent of the ad misericordiam fallacy, isn't it? The financial inability to commit sin will be looked upon favorably by Jesus based on the verse above.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Roland]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

A car pile up on an Interstate would be bad, yes, however, it could be that God needed to take certain people up to Heaven and made the car crash happen for that reason.

Hi Shadoe,

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion? Why would those people who died in the car crash go to Heaven and not to Hell? According to Matthew 7:14 the latter outcome would be the more plausible one. Can you elaborate on your position?

Kind regards, Roland

[Shadoe_Hare]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

Darling,

We cannot be sick or perverted. The Bible tells us that we cannot even commit sins.

If people could not commit sins then there would have been no reason for Jesus to die for us.


Even if we're ' born again' we're still sinners because of Adam's curse. The point of being born again is to accept Jesus as our savior and be forgiven of our sins.


We can still sin, however, because we're humans, it's what we do, thanks to Adam...


But the difference is that after we're born again we are supposed to try really hard not to sin, to please God and Jesus, and if we do sin we should confess, ask for God's forgiveness and try harder to follow God's laws.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Hello from kentucky...

Yes, I find most people here in the Forum inturpret the Bible very strangely, if not downright crazy.

We just discussed the ad hominem, accusing people instead of looking at the content of the claim. Now, what do you think this citation of yours quoted above could be classified as (insane people have come up with great inventions, actually)?

Galatians 4:16
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

A car pile up on an Interstate would be bad, yes, however, it could be that God needed to take certain people up to Heaven and made the car crash happen for that reason. It's sad, but if that's what God wanted, then so be it.

The person who couldn't get his car started and avoided the wreck might have needed to live for various reasons only known by God.

Dear person,

Your reply is a simple form of the possibiliter fallacy. You create a potential scenario ("it could be that God needed - and as written elsewhere on the Forum by an actual Heathen, why would God Omnipotent (Revelation 19:6) need someone and for which task?) and then use it as if real to justify your position ("then so be it"). The fact that something is possible does not make it probable, not even the best explanation. Please provide us with at least some Bayesian reasoning (the prior probability of this person being needed in Heaven vs. the probabilities provided by evidence). To discuss potential scenarios as answers to question that you actually cannot answer does not lead us to any reliable conclusions. The second sentence ("might have needed to live") is just another possibiliter fallacy. We need hard Biblical facts, not taking hypothetical constructs as adequate answers to the issue at hand.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer