Why your religion is wrong.

[NotInRyebread]

Hello all, and if you're reading this, then you already hate me.

You people are a bunch of horrifically ignorant, close-minded racists who only care about your own agendas. I look around this forum and what do I see? Bigots. Nothing but bigots. Look at the "Good Reverend" and his "filthy rich" legacy. He wants an 18 year old virgin, and admits to flirting with young girls. He's not a godly man. He's a bigot, and a pervert. He even admits to basically bribing women with money and jewelry. Get over yourselves!

You here all claim that your religion is 100% foolproof and anything else is to be disregarded as blatant heresy.

I am an atheist. There I said it. I was raised Jewish, but it wasn't for me. I have READ THE BIBLE, as well as the Qu'Ran. I am a very educated person, so don't act like I don't know where you're coming from. I don't believe in God because I understand science and accept it because I know HOW IT WORKS.

For example, the reason we know how old the earth is, is because of GEOLOGY, CHEMISTRY, AND MATHEMATICS! You can't make that up. They are laws that govern the universe, and they helped us to determine just how old the earth is. You have no grounds to say that the earth is 6,010 years old just because your bible says so.

YOU ALL WORSHIP THE KING JAMES BIBLE..... KING JAMES! That's a man, not a God. How can you consider a book to be true that was written by man? How can you say that it was written by God in "God's favorite language", when we know for a fact that the particular version that you hold as most holy was written by a man! Is that not heresy? You are ALL HERETICS. The very foundation of your religion is hypocritical.

Looking beyond that point, the bible IS A BOOK! It holds as much credibility as Harry Potter! You can't take hundreds of years of scientific research and toss it aside without so much as consideration because some random book told you it's a lie!

Okay, the question ALL Christians have asked me. If there's not a god, then who created the universe? My answer is that it has always been there, but that's completely unacceptable.

So I ask you. I will gladly stoop to your beliefs and take in everything you can throw at me IF you can answer this one question. Where did God come from?

If your answer is that he has always been there, then you are being COMPLETELY hypocritical for denouncing my answer that is essentially the same thing.

I'm not even getting started with evolution and all of that jazz. This thread deals with enough. As you guys have more rebuttals, I'll add more of my view-point.


PS: By blatantly ignoring the message here and just calling me a "Homosexual, a jew, a witch, a devil-worshipper" or any other variant of degrading close-minded tomfoolery, you are contributing NOTHING. If you are so certain you have the right religion, then you should have no problem at all proving me wrong.

So I challenge you people. PROVE ME WRONG.

[NotInRyebread]

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By the way, (just a little side note) my title is meant to draw attention. I do not want to be associated with close-mindedness. I assure you that I am not like that at all. I know you are all so certain that atheists are inherently close-minded, but that is not true. I am perfectly willing to accept anything that you can throw at me provided you can back it up with proof, and when I say proof, I don't mean a book. I mean irrefutable proof that has physical substantiating foundations that can stand up against the proof that scientific evidence provides.


So no, I'm not close-minded. I'm just convinced otherwise, and I want YOU to convince me.

[InGodWeTrust]

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You say you're an atheist. Show me some scientific evidence of abiogenesis, infidel. Come on, I'm sure you can do it.

[Whip of Japheth]

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You can´t know if Schrödinger's cat is dead or alive and your answer is "simultaneously alive and dead".

God knows. Lord controls the swicth. Your religion is wrong

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Genesis 1:4

GLORY!

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Hello all, and if you're reading this, then you already hate me.

You people are a bunch of horrifically ignorant, close-minded racists who only care about your own agendas. I look around this forum and what do I see? Bigots. Nothing but bigots. Look at the "Good Reverend" and his "filthy rich" legacy. He wants an 18 year old virgin, and admits to flirting with young girls. He's not a godly man. He's a bigot, and a pervert. He even admits to basically bribing women with money and jewelry. Get over yourselves!

Why, hello there! Surely you can't be saying such insulting words to me? That's very rude of you to attack somebody that you know nothing about and without even the courtesy to introduce yourself. You have a lot of nerve with your juvenile name-calling. How am I a bigot? How am I a pervert? Completely baseless allegations. What is wrong with wanting a younger wife? That is a pervert in your definition? And money and jewelry are not bribes, they are gifts. A bribe is something you give to a cop in a Mexican jail.

I should have you know that you are in a small minority of my detractors. The overwhelming majority of people who watch my televangelist program really adore me and many send letters of praise and generous donations. Surely if I was such an evil person like you try to paint me out to be, I wouldn't be able to develop such a faithful, loyal following would I?

You here all claim that your religion is 100% foolproof and anything else is to be disregarded as blatant heresy.

Yes.

I am an atheist. There I said it. I was raised Jewish, but it wasn't for me. I have READ THE BIBLE, as well as the Qu'Ran. I am a very educated person, so don't act like I don't know where you're coming from. I don't believe in God because I understand science and accept it because I know HOW IT WORKS.

There's a difference between reading a couple Bible verses and reading the entire KJV 1611 Bible. If you had read the Bible like you've claimed, you wouldn't be asking some of these questions since the answers lie within.

So you say you know how science works? How it operates? Do you realize the scientific community is pretty much an old-boy's network where controversial claims and anomalous evidence is discarded without proper scrutiny? The only way you can get published in a journal is to basically tow the party line. The peer review process is full of problems.

Scientists are human. They have psychological issues, they have personal grudges, they have their own opinions, they have their political viewpoints, they have financial issues, etc. Much scientific research is funded by private corporations or through university grants. They can't bite the hand that feeds them.

Also, do you know how carbon-dating works? Genetic testing? DNA? Do you really? If I asked you to write an essay on how DNA is manufactured, could you do so without plagiarizing? The irony is most scientific atheists have no idea how science works, but they believe what scientists say on Faith.

I bet you only have a rudimentary idea of how the Big Bang theory even operates. I doubt you could explain to me the advanced mathematical equations scientists have used to arrive at their theory. Yet, you believe in things like this. Why? Faith. Faith in scientists and men in lab coats.

"Science" is an illusion. There are only scientists and what they have to say.

For example, the reason we know how old the earth is, is because of GEOLOGY, CHEMISTRY, AND MATHEMATICS! You can't make that up. They are laws that govern the universe, and they helped us to determine just how old the earth is. You have no grounds to say that the earth is 6,010 years old just because your bible says so.

Again, you don't know this. You have no in-depth understanding of Geology, Chemistry, and Mathematics. You simply take what scientists have to say at face value with faith. Why? Because science is a religion to many. It offers us an explanation. Its methods are tainted because of the humanness of scientists. The Bible, however, was inspired by God. I would trust God's word over man's.

YOU ALL WORSHIP THE KING JAMES BIBLE..... KING JAMES! That's a man, not a God. How can you consider a book to be true that was written by man? How can you say that it was written by God in "God's favorite language", when we know for a fact that the particular version that you hold as most holy was written by a man! Is that not heresy? You are ALL HERETICS. The very foundation of your religion is hypocritical.

WOW. You are really displaying your ignorance right now. If you have even read through these forums (which I know you haven't) you would see that NO ONE -- NO ONE "worships" King James. The King James Bible, written in 1611 by a team of scholars commissioned by King James is simply the best English translation there is. We promote this Bible because it is the most accurate Bible around. Other Bibles twist Scripture and put words in God's mouth (or even take some out of it).

Just the fact that you accuse us of worshipping King James shows just how blind you really are.

Looking beyond that point, the bible IS A BOOK! It holds as much credibility as Harry Potter! You can't take hundreds of years of scientific research and toss it aside without so much as consideration because some random book told you it's a lie!

You're really painting yourself into a corner here. A Book? Hmm. But, on the other hand, you the almighty and intelligent atheist base your opinions on....Books, as well? Darwin's Origin of the Species, Dawkins' The God Delusion, etc. etc. How can you attack us for basing our beliefs out of book when you yourself base your own beliefs out of a book, as well!

Okay, the question ALL Christians have asked me. If there's not a god, then who created the universe? My answer is that it has always been there, but that's completely unacceptable.

So I ask you. I will gladly stoop to your beliefs and take in everything you can throw at me IF you can answer this one question. Where did God come from?

If your answer is that he has always been there, then you are being COMPLETELY hypocritical for denouncing my answer that is essentially the same thing.

Of course the universe is created by God, and of course He has always been there. But you see, the universe and God are not the same thing. Everything in the universe has to have a cause, a first cause, specifically. God created the universe, space and time, and everything in it.

God is the source of everything. You're trying to tell me something created has been around forever. Have cars been around forever? No. Have watches? No. What about people? No. Animals? No. The planet? No. The stars? No. Even your godless scientists concede these things.

So why would the universe, the base of it, have been around forever?

I'm not even getting started with evolution and all of that jazz. This thread deals with enough. As you guys have more rebuttals, I'll add more of my view-point.

Actually your viewpoint is pretty weak. If you want to keep making yourself look like an ignorant jackass, that's your prerogative, but don't say I didn't warn you.

PS: By blatantly ignoring the message here and just calling me a "Homosexual, a jew, a witch, a devil-worshipper" or any other variant of degrading close-minded tomfoolery, you are contributing NOTHING. If you are so certain you have the right religion, then you should have no problem at all proving me wrong.

Did I ignore your message despite you being a devil-worshipping gay Jew witch? NO.

So I challenge you people. PROVE ME WRONG.

You know, nobody owes you anything. ANYTHING. I was kind enough to spend my time and effort responding to your challenges out of no obligation on my part. I would suggest to you....and seriously listen to me on this.... you are a guest here in these forums. YOU REALLY NEED TO LEARN SOME RESPECT.

I take it as a personal insult what you said about me. You had no right to throw out accusations like that. You've already come across a smug, self-righteous, know-it-all, disrespectful, rebellious jackass. If you seek to have any further conversation with me, you need to straighten up.

I also think you owe the entire board an apology for your immature and embarrassing behavior.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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Whining by snotty little atheist snipped.

If you are so certain you have the right religion, then you should have no problem at all proving me wrong.

So I challenge you people. PROVE ME WRONG.

Why should I? Why should I waste my time with a hateful, name-calling little baby? The word 'hate' was in the first sentence of your post.

We don't hate you son, we want you to come to Jesus. But it is up to you to accept Him, we can't force you to let Him into your heart.

I think you hate yourself, probably because deep down, you know we are bound for Glory and you are headed straight for Hell.

But I wouldn't expect much more than hate from a former Jew atheist.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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We have an "Unsaved Not Welcome" policy for a reason. The Holy Bible tells us to keep clear of unsaved scum like you. Go tell your master satan that we're not about to abandon Jesus on your say.

[James Hutchins]

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Another wack job. They really should not provide Internet access to mental hospitals. These guys get electro shock and the very next day, come on here to harass us. Are they incapable of reading the warped words they write? Not being a nut case, I'll never be able to understand or relate. I miss the good old days of a nice state hospital. No threat to decent folks from these fruit cases. Commit for life and experiment on them.

[branch]

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"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ ... "

~Galations 3:28~

[Nobar King]

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"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ ... "

~Galations 3:28~

The towelheads are going to LOVE to hear that one.

[Nurse Clampett]

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As you guys have more rebuttals, I'll add more of my view-point.




So I challenge you people. PROVE ME WRONG.

Why do the trolls think they can come here and argue on their terms? I think I'm going to randomly break into surrounding houses and tell the occupants their lives are messed up because I don't like their lawn ornaments. There's this one lady with a huge statue of Mary. I think I'll start with her.

[NotInRyebread]

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Also, do you know how carbon-dating works? Genetic testing? DNA? Do you really? If I asked you to write an essay on how DNA is manufactured, could you do so without plagiarizing? The irony is most scientific atheists have no idea how science works, but they believe what scientists say on Faith.

I bet you only have a rudimentary idea of how the Big Bang theory even operates. I doubt you could explain to me the advanced mathematical equations scientists have used to arrive at their theory. Yet, you believe in things like this. Why? Faith. Faith in scientists and men in lab coats.

"Science" is an illusion. There are only scientists and what they have to say.

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Again, you don't know this. You have no in-depth understanding of Geology, Chemistry, and Mathematics. You simply take what scientists have to say at face value with faith. Why? Because science is a religion to many. It offers us an explanation. Its methods are tainted because of the humanness of scientists. The Bible, however, was inspired by God. I would trust God's word over man's.

You are make unfair assumptions about my knowledge. Yes, I DO know how those things work. I could write a paper on how DNA is "manufactured" without plagiarizing. I'm not some kid with teenage angst and a need to rebel. I say the things I say with a pure knowledge and understand of the things I am talking about.

I am not the one with blind faith. It is you.

As for the book thing. You base your religion ENTIRELY on a book. Science books exist, yes, but they are NOT the foundations of science. The scrutiny and testing comes before the book. For a scientific theory to be accepted as a fact, it must be testable and reproduce-able over and over again without a significant margin of error. Those books are based on theses which were compiled from countless hours of testing, and scrutinizing.

The important fact is that those facts in the science books aren't all we have to go by. Those tests could be easily repeated at any time. What can you test in the bible at any time and come up with the same results? There's no proof that the bible offers that can be conclusively proven again and again, whereas science provides that.

As for the first thing I said. I think your whole campaign is BS. Pardon my french, but you are a man who obviously prides himself on his money. What godly man capitalizes on God? I am not saying that Christians can't be entrepreneurs because some of the richest men in history have been Christians. I am just saying that you are 100% capitalizing on God. What God would want a greedy man to fill his pockets at his expense? That being said, the whole thing about the perversion. You said that you like "young and fresh" girls. Is it about the purity in the eyes of God? No matter what you may have convinced yourself, you are still a man, and men still have sexual urges. You can't pretend that your desire for nubile innocent virgins comes directly from your faith. I mean, you have the best deal out there. You've had numerous wives, all of which were young, and you could easily get another if need be. You get to "reproduce with virgins" and treat a woman like a slave and keep them with your money. That's all it comes down to. And last time I checked the bible, greed is a sin.

As for the Universe thing. I'm talking about the universe in PLACE of God. I do not believe that god exists. I do not believe that the universe was created. If you have a right to say that God always existed, why don't I have the same right to say that the universe always existed?

Just some thoughts to chew on.


PS: The "name-calling" argument wasn't made in the assumption that everyone would stoop to that. I appreciate the actual response you gave, and left that there because I know quite a few members will (and already have) called me a witch/jew/satan worshiper and left without so much as a comment on the topic at hand.

[InGodWeTrust]

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You are make unfair assumptions about my knowledge. Yes, I DO know how those things work. I could write a paper on how DNA is "manufactured" without plagiarizing. I'm not some kid with teenage angst and a need to rebel. I say the things I say with a pure knowledge and understand of the things I am talking about.

If you understood things, you would also understand something can not come out of nothing.

I am not the one with blind faith. It is you.

Says the one who believes humans evolved from matter. Wise one, please do tell how organic matter formed from inorganic matter. How one droplet formed billions of organisms. Talk about blind faith...
It's still not too late to read the KJV Bible.

The scrutiny and testing comes before the book.

Scrutiny? Testing? Is that what the falsified fossils have been through before being accepted as "proof" of Evilution?

it must be testable and reproduce-able over and over again without a significant margin of error

Reproduce the formation of organic matter from inorganic in natural circumstances.

What can you test in the bible at any time and come up with the same results?

You can test yourself. If you pass the test, you go to heaven. If you don't, you go to hell. There's something for you to ponder over.

blablabla

[NotInRyebread]

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You have proven my point. Thank you for being close-minded. Once again, you have proven that you can only have one source of argument which is that something can not come from nothing. But if the Universe can't than why can God? God is something. God came from nothing.

As far as biological life goes, it is commonly accepted that there was a spontaneous combination of elements to form organic life. (All carbon compounds are organic) From that point on, evolution took its course of BILLIONS of years (not thousands).

[InGodWeTrust]

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You have proven my point. Thank you for being close-minded. Once again, you have proven that you can only have one source of argument which is that something can not come from nothing. But if the Universe can't than why can God? God is something. God came from nothing.

Our Universe came into existence, which means it's finite. Anything outside it is infinite and doesn't belong into the spectrum of time, dimensions or anything. God is not physical, for crying out loud.

As far as biological life goes, it is commonly accepted

Haha, "commonly accepted". Haha.

that there was a spontaneous combination of elements to form organic life.

Spontaneous. Haha. You've just defeated your whole argument of the Bible being "blind faith".
Repent or suffer eternal damnation.

(All carbon compounds are organic) From that point on, evolution took its course of BILLIONS of years (not thousands).

Because the already-proven-to-be-wrong dating methods are actually correct. LOL
I'm having the laugh of my life right now.
"BILLIONS of years"

Atheism - because a couple of hundred years old monkey skulls are proof of... something.