Hello, I am an Athiest

[WhatIsTheTruth]

I'd like to take a moment and say that I'm looking for a serious discussion; I've seen people get banned for having a different opinion here, it seems it's either, "I believe in God or screw you," here. If we could keep that away from this thread for alittle while, that would be great. Less ignorance and more open minds is helpful.

A quick note about myself, I was once a Lutheran but stopped believing, that's really all you need to know about me.

I suppose I want to go through the reasons I stopped believing in the first place, and get your opinions on them and have an open discussion about it. This thread's purpose isn't to "attack" your believes, I just want to here your side of it and maybe we'll all come out better people.

1. Evidence: I understand that Christianity is based around faith, by why is it that God makes it ENTIRELY by faith? We can't confirm the Bible is legitimate, even if we could prove Jesus existed we couldn't prove he performed miracles, there's simply nothing to prove his existence.

As a fairly intelligent person, I find taking only faith and no facts VERY hard. I am one of those people who, "need to see it to believe it." I can't help that, and because of this I will be damned to hell because I don't run off of pure faith?

2. Free will: God gave has free will; we can choose to break his commandments, and we don't have to believe he exists. At the same time, he knows the past, present, and future. What significance does free will have when he already knows everything? Wouldn't him not knowing and us being programmed to believe be the same as it is now?

3. Adam and Eve: Why is it, that out of all the possible trees, God chose to forbid them from eating from the tree of knowledge? If he doesn't want to control us, why limit our knowledge or be punished? Before they ate from the tree, they didn't "comprehend evil." Only after did they realize they were both naked, but wouldn't that mean that before they ate from the tree and knew good and bad they were essentially, "robots?"

4. Hell: Why would a caring and loving God allow anyone to be condemned there for all of eternity? I understand punishment is necessary, it's what convinces us to not make a repeated mistake as we truly know the consequences, but what can we possibly learn without a second chance? If we loose our faith by the time we die, why is it that we aren't punished as a reminder that he does indeed exist, and then allowed into heaven?

I have more questions, although I'd like to start with that (assuming I don't get infracted for thousands of points because my opinion is different then most of yours).

Remember, I'm not here trying to destroy your opinions or force mine on you. Like my username suggests, I'm just looking for the truth.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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Here's some truth for you...

After you've watched it and it's shaken you to your bones, come back and we'll talk about Jesus with you and how His temporary sacrifice can help save your eternal soul.

[WhatIsTheTruth]

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Here's some truth for you...

After you've watched it and it's shaken you to your bones, come back and we'll talk about Jesus with you and how His temporary sacrifice can help save your eternal soul.

I'm making this post as I watch it.

1. I am NOT filled with rage. Over the years, I've simply questioned whether or not he exists because there just isn't any evidence. I haven't had a tragic event in my life, I'm not upset with my life; I love my life and enjoy living and happy I was born to do so. There is no, "anger" in me.

2. I may not believe in God, but I do have morals that are close to if not match God's commandments. I'm not angry that God doesn't want me to sin every day and night.

3. The video suggests that it should be against the law to be Athiest in America, yet doesn't that go against God's intentions of free will?

4. It made Atheism out to be bad because there are bad people who have been athiests. Would you like me to link you to a ridiculously large number of people who are "evil" that are Christians? It isn't right to say people are bad simply because they don't believe in God, if anything that's a load of crap.

5. Apparently the only thing preventing me from rape are laws. Once again, a load of bs. As I said earlier, I have morals, and I find rape and AGREE with the US laws. There are many Christians who commit crimes such as rape and murder, does that make Christianity bad? No.

6. I am a fool for not seeing the evidence before me? What evidence? Everything the Christian religion is based around requires pure faith, without that it couldn't live.

That video is full of lies and total bs. I see my attempt at an open discussion has been futile, as my questions where ignored and instead had a bunch of bull thrown at my face which I corrected above.

If you'd like to refocus the discussion back to my questions instead of linking me to lies and leaving me with unanswered questions, maybe progress can be made. Until then, this only confirms what I've seen and been told about this community, which is disappointing.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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I see there is no reasoning with you. If you're going to ignore the facts, there can be no discussion.

[WhatIsTheTruth]

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"and I find rape evil and AGREE with the US laws."
Rushed and meant to say rape is evil, I can't seem to find an edit post button.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Don't bother Sister M&M. We know the Good Book says about people like him...

Proverbs 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

[hateful biggot]

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Everyone has the right to choose their own religion, stop forcing people into being christians.God didnt force, he simply invited but you guys are like "Christian or Gtfo" Thats why there have been many wars because of this stupid thing, people only think their religion is the right thing and others are all fake, after all religion is about hope and not giving up on your small pointless life.You can not punish other people for having different opinion about things.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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Everyone has the right to choose their own religion, stop forcing people into being christians.God didnt force, he simply invited but you guys are like "Christian or Gtfo" Thats why there have been many wars because of this stupid thing, people only think their religion is the right thing and others are all genuine, after all religion is about hope and not giving up on your small pointless life.You can not punish other people for having different opinion about things.

You certainly live up to your misspelled name.

[WhatIsTheTruth]

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Don't bother Sister M&M. We know the Good Book says about people like him...

Proverbs 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

Why continue to ignore me? Are your intentions to not "help me see my wrong ways?"

I posted my questions and thoughts here in a serious manner as it's how I look at it, hoping that maybe someone could correct my points, but instead I've only been given what are literally lies about how Atheists think.

Instead of calling me a fool, telling me I want to break laws such as rape, murder, etc when that's not true, help me out.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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If I thought you were here to seriously learn, that would be one thing. But you appear to be just another close-minded atheisn't. I've given you a resource that you just discounted out of hand because you didn't want to hear its message. So why try?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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Why continue to ignore me? Are your intentions to not "help me see my wrong ways?"

I posted my questions and thoughts here in a serious manner as it's how I look at it, hoping that maybe someone could correct my points, but instead I've only been given what are literally lies about how Atheists think.

Instead of calling me a fool, telling me I want to break laws such as rape, murder, etc when that's not true, help me out.

If you expressed a desire to convert to True Christianity(tm), then I would be happy to help you. However you've come here to mock us in a very subtle fashion. True, you are being respectful and not acting like a jerk, however I think you're here just to cause dissention on this board...

Proverbs 20:3 It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.

[WhatIsTheTruth]

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If you expressed a desire to convert to True Christianity™, then I would be happy to help you. However you've come here to mock us in a very subtle fashion. True, you are being respectful and not acting like a jerk, however I think you're here just to cause dissention on this board...

Proverbs 20:3 It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.

These questions and thoughts are why I don't desire to convert back to Christianity, they make me question whether or not God is simply made up.

I posted them on such a forum as to where I thought I might have these questions/thoughts corrected, but instead of was given a video full of lies.

I thought God doesn't want us to lie, yet that video is so stocked full of them, that after watching it I question Christianity even more to make such accusations and to classify an entire group of people as evil.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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These questions and thoughts are why I don't desire to convert back to Christianity, they make me question whether or not God is simply made up.

I posted them on such a forum as to where I thought I might have these questions/thoughts corrected, but instead of was given a video full of lies.

I thought God doesn't want us to lie, yet that video is so stocked full of them, that after watching it I question Christianity even more to make such accusations and to classify an entire group of people as evil.

Atheists are evil. Evil, by definition, is anything that is against God's laws. God commands us to believe in Him, yet you turn your back on Him. Even if you don't rape and murder, you're still evil. That's what the Bible says.

Pop quiz time...
Who said "Either you are with me, or you are against me!"
a) Darth Vader
b) George W. Bush
c) Jesus
d) All of the above

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

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Why continue to ignore me? Are your intentions to not "help me see my wrong ways?"

I posted my questions and thoughts here in a serious manner as it's how I look at it, hoping that maybe someone could correct my points, but instead I've only been given what are literally lies about how Atheists think.

Instead of calling me a fool, telling me I want to break laws such as rape, murder, etc when that's not true, help me out.

3. Adam and Eve: Why is it, that out of all the possible trees, God chose to forbid them from eating from the tree of knowledge? If he doesn't want to control us, why limit our knowledge or be punished? Before they ate from the tree, they didn't "comprehend evil." Only after did they realize they were both naked, but wouldn't that mean that before they ate from the tree and knew good and bad they were essentially, "robots?"

It's becoming increasingly difficult to communicate with the younger generation when it comes to the Bible (KJV1611). Adam and Eve were completely free to frolic in the Garden of Eden to their hearts desire. The Garden of Eden was much like the socialist welfare state that Obama is trying to sell to Americans. There was lots of free food (food stamps) everywhere, along with free education, low cost mortgages, GM vehicles, and free health care. All God wanted was a little praise once in awhile and a vote when election time rolled around. Well, you can see the free choice they made and why God kicked them out of the Garden of Eden. They just didn't appreciate what they had and God made them go work for a living – which is why we have capitalism today and why all attempts a socialism fail.

[4HisGlory]

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It's becoming increasingly difficult to communicate with the younger generation when it comes to the Bible (KJV1611). Adam and Eve were completely free to frolic in the Garden of Eden to their hearts desire. The Garden of Eden was much like the socialist welfare state that Obama is trying to sell to Americans. There was lots of free food (food stamps) everywhere, along with free education, low cost mortgages, GM vehicles, and free health care. All God wanted was a little praise once in awhile and a vote when election time rolled around. Well, you can see the free choice they made and why God kicked them out of the Garden of Eden. They just didn't appreciate what they had and God made them go work for a living – which is why we have capitalism today and why all attempts a socialism fail.

This is also a perfect example of why women need to be kept in line and on a very short leash!