[I follow the bible (On Moderation)]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

I have no idea whatsoever Bobby-Joe said... All I can say is that I abide in the doctrine of Christ to the best of my ability. I have no idea how you came to the faulty conclusion that I spit in the face of God....? just because you accuse me, does not mean you are correct. I agree whole heartedly that the Bible should be read, not interpreted. I am only offering to give scripture, if you disagree with anything I have said.


Lol, an admin sent me a warning for using the word duh “against God's favorite church.” I have been mandated to issue an apology. This is exactly what I am talking about, you answer to your church, not God. If I felt I had transgressed, I would seek the Lord's forgiveness, not Landover. Additionally, you assume that your church are superior to any other. It really is sad, I feel a great sense of oppression when I speak with y'all.


Brother V, I admit I misspoke when I indicated the word gentiles. The statement was intended to focus on sinners. I think it got lost in my reworking of the passage (i.e cutting and pasting). But that was not the substance of my statement. It is an unrealistic to think that Jesus came for the non-pedofiles, the non-rapists, or the unbroken. Jesus clearly spent an ample amount of time with the sinners, and he chose specifically to spend time with people like tax collectors (Matthew 9:9-13). Do you think the throngs of people surrounding him were all clean, holy and Jewish? Rather he focused on the homeless, disparaged and lame.


I appreciate Ezekiel Bathfire's sincerity and invitation. In my next post, I will bullet several questions I would like to have specifically answered. I know people have tried to enlighten your community before, but I feel that the Lord is calling me to interact. I have a rule of thumb, never inter a discussion without an open mind. I have talked to hundreds of the most vehement Muslims, Catholics, Mormons, Atheists ECT all in great length. I ask that you too critically evaluate what you believe, based on Scripture.

[I follow the bible (On Moderation)]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

1. How can you repeated call your Church, people, website and community, “God's favorite?” To me, this is unadulterated arrogance and pride. Meekness. The most righteous people I know think they are the worst Christians. “But I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.”
2. Why do you allow the use of words like “coon” and “faggot,” and allow pictures of the KKK? These are items which represent hate, prejudice or lynchings. Why would you willfully associate with sin?
3. Is salvation earned or undeserved? Did you as an individual do anything to save yourself?
4. Is any sin worse than another?
5. Are homosexuals “subhumans” or “inferior” as is often stated by members?
6. Can pedophiles or rapists be saved?
7. Could a saved thief be allowed into your church?



Please provide scripture. I would like a definite answer on these issues. I do not like making assumptions about your beliefs, it is easier to get them out. Likewise, if anyone would like to ask me a similar set of questions, I would be more than willing.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

1. How can you repeated call your Church, people, website and community, “God's favorite?” To me, this is unadulterated arrogance and pride. Meekness. The most righteous people I know think they are the worst Christians. “But I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.”

We are God's Favorite Church™ simply because we follow all of God's laws and not just some like other false churches do. We strive to be more Christian than any other church, so wouldn't logic dictate that God loves us more?

And if you say no, then you're saying God loves sinners. He doesn't. If God loved sinners He would allow them to do whatever they please. He wants sinners to be Saved®! He wants human beings to be free of sin and that is through Jesus Christ. We are a sin-free church, God loves us, and I think you're only attacking us out of pure envy.

2. Why do you allow the use of words like “coon” and “faggot,” and allow pictures of the KKK? These are items which represent hate, prejudice or lynchings. Why would you willfully associate with sin?

A coon is short for a raccoon. A faggot is a bundle of sticks. Why do these words offend you? (Also, I haven't seen a picture of the KKK on here.)

3. Is salvation earned or undeserved? Did you as an individual do anything to save yourself?

Salvation is earned. People don't "save themselves", only Jesus does that. But in order for Jesus to save you, it takes some effort to transform yourself as a person. We are responsible for being Saved®: (Mat. 5:22, John 5:16, 1 Cor 3:16-17, Gal 5:4, and most importantly Rev 3:5, in fact let me quote it)

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

4. Is any sin worse than another?

Well, blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is the worse sin of them all because it's unforgiveable! (Mark 3:28-29)

5. Are homosexuals “subhumans” or “inferior” as is often stated by members?

Yes, until they become Ex-Gay. God has called them an abomination worthy of death (Lev. 20:13). But, people can change their homosexuality, I've seen it many times before. Homosexuality is a willing sin, so therefore anyone who is a homosexual is willfully flaunting their rebellion against God.

6. Can pedophiles or rapists be saved?

Of course. Even Jeffrey Dahmer was saved and he is in Heaven right now. (John 3:15, Eph. 4:30, 1 John 1:7, Rev. 1:5)

Also especially...

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

7. Could a saved thief be allowed into your church?

Well, that's a bit of a paradox. If a person was Saved®, he wouldn't be a thief, and if he was a thief he wouldn't be Saved®. Do you mean, a person who was a thief, then was Saved®? Yes. (1 John 3:6-9, Rom. 8:33, Phill. 2:13, 1 John 5:18)

Please provide scripture. I would like a definite answer on these issues. I do not like making assumptions about your beliefs, it is easier to get them out. Likewise, if anyone would like to ask me a similar set of questions, I would be more than willing.

I know I have provided enough Scripture to justify our positions. There is no need to lash out at us or judge us. Perhaps God brought you here so you might finally be Saved®.

[Brother V]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

Brother V, I admit I misspoke when I indicated the word gentiles. The statement was intended to focus on sinners. I think it got lost in my reworking of the passage (i.e cutting and pasting). But that was not the substance of my statement. It is an unrealistic to think that Jesus came for the non-pedofiles, the non-rapists, or the unbroken. Jesus clearly spent an ample amount of time with the sinners, and he chose specifically to spend time with people like tax collectors (Matthew 9:9-13). Do you think the throngs of people surrounding him were all clean, holy and Jewish? Rather he focused on the homeless, disparaged and lame.

Which of the 12 apostles, that Jesus spent pretty much all of his time with were homeless, disparaged and lame?

Peter, fisherman
Andrew, fisherman
James (son of Zebedee), fisherman
John, fisherman
Philip, spoke Greek, so he was educated
Bartholomew, (not much is known of Bart)
Matthew, tax collector
Thomas, builder
James (son of Alphaeus), probably a carpenter (like Jesus)
Thaddeus, also, probably a carpenter
Simon, probably also a carpenter
Judas, apparently was an accountant.

Jesus did spend some time with sinners, but most of his work was not done in a one on one basis. There are very few parts that include him doing solo work. He normally talked to groups. He'd go walking, they'd follow. Someone would ask a question, he'd answer.

I still don't see why tax collectors got such a bad name.

Do I think all the people around Jesus were Jewish, yes I do. Were they holy, of course not, otherwise he wouldn't have to have been there. Were they clean, yes, I fully would expect them all to be "technically" (Levitically) clean. Remember, Jesus was there because people had lost their love of God. They believed it was their rituals that saved them, not what the rituals meant.

Just like in OT times, God got angry when people just went through the motions. All the sacrifices in the world won't make God happy, if you aren't doing them with a joyous heart.

That's what was going on. People believed that their works saved them. They did their works without a love of God. Works only go so far; you still have to have faith. I believe those people had both faith and works. What they didn't have was a joyous heart. They followed the law, but they didn't know why they followed the law.

Do you follow the law with love, or why do you follow God's laws?

YIC
V

[James Hutchins]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

I am quite confused here friend. On one hand, you claim to be a God fearing Baptist's Pastor's son. On the other hand, you run about spewing words of hate and tarnishment at those you barely met. You do not know any of us yet you have pre-judged us. What would your father think? What is God thinking? I do not know you at all, just what you've written so it would be inappropriate for me to go about making brash assumptions. Honestly, I think you need to tell your father what you have done then God. I have already accepted your sins, hopefully the others will also.

[I follow the bible (On Moderation)]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

I love you all, I would die for anyone of you. I am sorry you have been hurt; I can only apologize for the mistakes of others. Do not judge God based on the actions of wrongly guided people.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

I love you all, I would die for anyone of you. I am sorry you have been hurt; I can only apologize for the mistakes of others. Do not judge God based on the actions of wrongly guided people.

What are you prattling on about now? Who's been hurt? Who's judging God?

What Church do you attend, miss?

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

I love you all, I would die for anyone of you. I am sorry you have been hurt; I can only apologize for the mistakes of others. Do not judge God based on the actions of wrongly guided people.

This often happens with faith only Christians. They feel a sudden sense of remorse based on the doctrine they have been teaching.

Then, they suddenly look around at their fellow followers. Their words their actions and they feel that this isn't who they are.

Yes, I know. I went through a similar epiphany. They feel it's hard to reconcile their teachings of love and peace against what is actually in the Word.

One of two things happen at that point. They either come to the conclusion that the whole thing was wrong or they realize that the story is allegorical and they rightly begin to fit the Word to fit to their world view.

I will be praying for you to follow the path of pious charity.

Your servant in Christ,

Sam

[Brother Enoch]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

they realize that the story is allegorical and they rightly begin to fit the Word to fit to their world view.

Yeah, that's exactly what God wants.

God wrote the whole Bible just so you could pick and choose bits that conform with your world view. No change on your part necessary! Ignore the inconevenient parts! Hallelujah!

I guess that's why it's so long. So anybody can make it mean anything.

Anything, that is, except what it actually says. Right?

I think it's time for you to go, Sam.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

I love you all, I would die for anyone of you. I am sorry you have been hurt; I can only apologize for the mistakes of others. Do not judge God based on the actions of wrongly guided people.

You think we are True Christians™ because other false Christians have done us wrong? Well, I can't talk for my other parishioners, but I can assure you that is not the case for me. Most of the reason I wanted to stay in the false church I attended before finding the light of Pastor Deacon Fred was because of how nice the people were to me.

However, intelligent thinking, contemplation of the world around me, and close reading of the Bible, lead me to believe in the doctrine of Landover.

I'm not mad at people not in this church, I just really, really disagree with their beliefs and want to spread the true religion.

[Levi Jones]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

Preach it, Brother Basher!

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

Yeah, that's exactly what God wants.

God wrote the whole Bible just so you could pick and choose bits that conform with your world view. No change on your part necessary! Ignore the inconevenient parts! Hallelujah!

I guess that's why it's so long. So anybody can make it mean anything.

Ah yes. We are coming to the crux of the matter. The false dichotomy of cowboy religion.

It's either you're with us or you're against us.

It's this corner you people put believers and non-believers alike into. You force them to take a look at the Bible word for word and you tell them to reject it wholly or accept "every word in it." Even though it tells you to do so, one's mind naturally engages in cognitive dissonance to shut out the bad.

It's this beautiful place they come to when they are done with you and then I welcome them with open arms.

Anything, that is, except what it actually says. Right?

Definitely, what it says with a strong emphasis on love and works.

I'm afraid the world is not purely black and white, my rapidly aging friend.

There are certainly good things to be gleaned here and there, but let's face it, dear boy, some of it is purely irreconcilable.

I think it's time for you to go, Sam.

The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Amen,

Sam

[Star Finder]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

Stop praying and start tithing!

The LBC does not care if you are saved or know anything about scripture as long as you hit that paypal button hard and often!

I would suggest a tithe of $500 minimum to get you started on the road to stupid "salvation". You are all going to rot in the ground anyway so you might as well think you're the high and mighty while your puss-filled pre-corpse is still above ground.

I weep when I think of how the old gods have been defiled.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

Ah yes. We are coming to the crux of the matter. The false dichotomy of cowboy religion.

It's either you're with us or you're against us.

No. You're either for God or against God.

It's this corner you people put believers and non-believers alike into. You force them to take a look at the Bible word for word and you tell them to reject it wholly or accept "every word in it."

Yes, accept every word in it. Unless you believe God put some of those words in there by mistake, or because He was just kidding.

Even though it tells you to do so, one's mind naturally engages in cognitive dissonance to shut out the bad.

Yes, because you know better than God, right? Your 20 or 30 years of experience trumps God's eternal wisdom. Okay then...

It's this beautiful place they come to when they are done with you and then I welcome them with open arms.

Indeed. Quite the warm place, isn't it?

Definitely, what it says with a strong emphasis on love and works.

With a strong emphasis on every word. There is no filler in the Bible.

Love and works are not the road to salvation, they are the result of salvation. Big difference.

I'm afraid the world is not purely black and white, my rapidly aging friend.

But the Bible is.

There are certainly good things to be gleaned here and there, but let's face it, dear boy, some of it is purely irreconcilable.

I look forward to watching you explain to God on Judgement Day how His book fails your literary critique.

[JustGotSaved]

Re: I will be praying for the salvation of Landover Church

We dont need you praying for us brother. As soon as i scrap up enough grime fomr the Missions mensroom i work at and enough money, i'm going here:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0101/planofsalvation.html

Still have a lttle ways to go, but i know if i work real hard i can make it. Garanteed!