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  • Appendage
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    • May 2007
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    #16
    Re: I hope that my past sins will not stop you from greeting me.

    Originally posted by Ex-Goth18 View Post
    jesus WAS a sinner he had to be so he could die for all of our sins! even the bible says so.. i dont have time now but i will find the passage for you later!
    There is absolutely NO doubt in my mind that you are one of those Southern Baptists. Remember, Hell is in the south, so you blasphemers are just that much closer!

    You definitely should ask your preacher to take a break from the gluttony and actually attempt to re-direct your poor lost mind, though you and I both know that he will never take his mouth away from the buffalo wings long enough for that.

    How could a man that sinned set the example that He does for us today, and please enlighten me as to how He could cleanse us of our sins if He had sinned himself? That makes absolutely no sense! I know that the school systems are not great on the farm that you come from, but that is simple logic.

    I can't be sure what jibberish you're referring to that is supposedly "in the Bible" about Jesus being a sinner, but I'll attempt to reason with you.

    Romans 5:12 -
    Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

    You see, it says that death and sin is passed onto man, but was Jesus born in the same way as regular humans, to where it actually could have been passed down some sort of geneological line?1 Corinthians 15:45-47 - And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
    Have you forgotten the simple fact that Jesus magically put Himself into Mary's belly, so that there was no ejaculation involved in concieving Him? Therefore, though He was born from a woman and therefore a human, He was not considered an "auto-sinner" as the typical human, because He had a virgin birth. And of course, He had the opportunity to sin on Earth, but did He? Give me one example of Him choosing the wrong path, please.

    I remember Him being very tempted by the Devil at one point, when Satan attacked Him after the poor LORD had been wandering around for days on end, with no food or water.

    Luke 4:1-12 - And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    So He turn down Satan's terrible offer, and remained sinless. Not only was He able to turn away from the Devil at this tempting point, but the Good Book tells us that He stayed that way forever.

    Hebrews 7:26 - For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

    So continue please, your little ridiculous SOB (Southern Baptist) backed argument if you would be so kind. Or are you too busy being a Heathen and "don't have the time" once again?

    By the way, I've heard that Hell is really hot. Be sure to pack lightly.

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    • Pastor Ezekiel
      Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
       
      • Sep 2006
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      #17
      Re: I hope that my past sins will not stop you from greeting me.

      Well said friend. You seem to know your Bible. Which version do you use?
      Who Will Jesus Damn?

      Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

      Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

      Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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      • Appendage
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        #18
        Re: I hope that my past sins will not stop you from greeting me.

        Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
        Well said friend. You seem to know your Bible. Which version do you use?
        The standard KJV. Is this acceptable?

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        • Pastor Ezekiel
          Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
           
          • Sep 2006
          • 78556

          #19
          Re: I hope that my past sins will not stop you from greeting me.

          Originally posted by Appendage View Post
          The standard KJV. Is this acceptable?
          Praise Jesus! We follow the KJV1611 Authorized version literally, word for word.

          Have you seen our beliefs yet?
          Who Will Jesus Damn?

          Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

          Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

          Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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          • Brother V
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            • Sep 2006
            • 3481

            #20
            Re: I hope that my past sins will not stop you from greeting me.

            Originally posted by Appendage View Post
            And of course, He had the opportunity to sin on Earth, but did He? Give me one example of Him choosing the wrong path, please.


            By the way, I've heard that Hell is really hot. Be sure to pack lightly.
            An interesting conundrum. Even if Jesus TRIED to sin, could he?

            Would any action taken by Jesus be a sin? That answer is no!

            Think back to when Jesus healed the blind man in John 9.

            6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,

            That's all great, Jesus healed a blind man. But why could this act be considered a sin?

            14 And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.

            This act, were it done by anyone OTHER than Jesus, would be a sin. In fact, work on the Sabbath (like healing) would be a sin punishable by death.

            Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

            So you see, when Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness, even if he had given in, and turned the stone to bread, or jumped down and the angels saved him, it wouldn't have been a sin.

            Due to the nature of Jesus, whatever he did, was not a sin.

            There are other examples of (what could be considered) wrong behaviour by Jesus, but because of who he is, it wasn't a sin.

            Praise Jesus

            YIC
            V
            Judges 9:21 And Jotham ran away, and fled, and went to Beer, and dwelt there, for fear of Abimelech his brother.

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            • Brother Temperance
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              • Sep 2006
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              #21
              Re: I hope that my past sins will not stop you from greeting me.

              Originally posted by Brother V View Post
              Due to the nature of Jesus, whatever he did, was not a sin.

              There are other examples of (what could be considered) wrong behaviour by Jesus, but because of who he is, it wasn't a sin.

              Praise Jesus

              YIC
              V
              So if He never sinned, why did He need to be baptised?
              O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



              God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

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              • Brother V
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                • Sep 2006
                • 3481

                #22
                Re: I hope that my past sins will not stop you from greeting me.

                Originally posted by Brother Temperance View Post
                So if He never sinned, why did He need to be baptised?
                Jesus baptism was not for the remission of sins (as were the other baptisms done by John.) Mark 1:4
                John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.


                Jesus baptism was more of an anointing.

                Think of John as Samuel and Jesus as David.

                1 Samuel 16:12 And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

                John's anointing/baptism of Jesus was symbolic of Jesus becoming the next King, not because He did anything wrong.

                PRAISE JESUS

                YIC
                V
                Judges 9:21 And Jotham ran away, and fled, and went to Beer, and dwelt there, for fear of Abimelech his brother.

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