Proud Atheist

[Proud Atheist]

So, whilst on another forum, I found a link which led me here, specifically to the "It's your fault if I rape you" post. I read most of what had been written there and came to the conclusion that this forum is plagued with ignorant and sexist people, and I posted something for which I received an infraction from some Pastor Ezequiel. He called me a "Sassy-Mouthed Feminazi Bitch", which I partly do not get, for I am not a nazi, and not a woman, so I cannot be a bitch. This further showed me the ignorance displayed by this particular forum member. However, he did suggest I post here, and so I am doing.

He also told me I made a fool of myself, but there was also an enormous lack of arguments there. True, I did not read the rules, but anyways, who does? So, I want the questions I asked on that thread to be answered, for after all, you may convince me.

He told me that I was sending myself to hellfire. Well, I must say that if Satan is as John Milton depicted him on Paradise Lost, I really do not mind going to hell. But taking into account the ignorance displayed up to now by members of this forum, I highly doubt you know what Paradise Lost is, let alone have read it.

As a final note, I would like to apologise once again for my bad English. I truly hope you do not mind. And by the way, if there is something you do not like here, then there is no need to PM me, you can openly say what you want to say, and I am not all that succeptible, so if you cannot come with a better responce than one filled with insults, do not doubt to post it also, for I will not be offended.


Thank you all.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Why do you hate Jesus??

[Proud Atheist]

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Oh, but you still do not get me. I cannot hate him, for I do not believe in him.
Try to convince me, though. It may not be a casualty that I ended up here.

[Brother Alex]

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Oh, but you still do not get me. I cannot hate him, for I do not believe in him.

What's the difference?

[Johny Joe Hold]

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I do not understand your thinking.

If the Bible says that women are at fault when they get raped, or, that a father must force his daughter to marry her rapist, what can be wrong with that?

[Proud Atheist]

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The difference is enormous. I cannot feel anything towards someone or something I do not believe in. Therefore, I do not love Jesus, nor do I hate him. My rationality only permits me to feel something towards something or someone I can see, or at least towards something or someone I am certain exists. For example, I can say I hate my P.E. teacher, for I can see him everyday, and thence it is quite logical to feel something towards him. Towards Jesus I simply do not feel, for I cannot.

And now that we are talking about hatred, I reckon I read on this forum that god hates all sinners, so as I said before, if gos is perfect, he cannot sin, if he cannot sin, he cannot hate, so how can you explain he hates sinners?

Moreover, answering to Pastor Ezekiel's question, if you deem my argument about belief and emotions incorrect, I need not love Jesus, for he and god are the same, and god hates sinners. Therefore, Jesus also hates sinners. I stated that I do not believe in Jesus, so according to you, I am a sinner, so Jesus hates me. If he hates me, why should I love him? Allegedly he is the omnipotent being, and is the one who should give the example. And if he expects me to love him without his loving me, then is is greatly egotist, and if I am not mistaken, selfishness is also a sin. So Jesus, and thence god, is a sinner. It seems to me that the "god is perfect" argument is a bit flawed.

Opinions please!!

[Proud Atheist]

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I do not understand your thinking.

If the Bible says that women are at fault when they get raped, or, that a father must force his daughter to marry her rapist, what can be wrong with that?

I truly do not know if the Bible says that, but for the sake of argument I will take it for the truth. I really do not care if the Bible says it or not, but can you just imagine how mentally ill a, let's say, seven-year-old girl would be, were she raped by a child molester? How can it then be her fault, it just lacks logic. If then the word of god lacks logic, it is not perfect, and it "is" his words, so he is not perfect, either. Like I just said before, the "god is perfect" argument is terribly flawed.

[Sister Kitty]

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I I really do not care if the Bible says it or not, but can you just imagine how mentally ill a, let's say, seven-year-old girl would be, were she raped by a child molester?

Mentally ill 7 year old girls should not be raping helpless grown men.

[Proud Atheist]

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Mentally ill 7 year old girls should not be raping helpless grown men.

I am sorry, it was my mistake. What i meant was, can you imagine how ill she would become, were she raped by a child molester?? In that situation it certainly cannot be her fault at all.

Sorry again.

[Levi Jones]

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If then the word of god lacks logic, it is not perfect, and it "is" his words, so he is not perfect, either. Like I just said before, the "god is perfect" argument is terribly flawed.

Maybe it seems unfair for God to command that of us, but ours is not to question. Ours is to obey.

Romans 11:34
For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

[Paul Jeffery]

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Maybe it seems unfair for God to command that of us, but ours is not to question. Ours is to obey.

Romans 11:34
For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

Exactly, Brother Levi! God's fairness is not ours to define!

[John W. Booth]

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I hope I'm not butting in where I shouldn't, but I'm curious about something. Why would you call yourself a "proud" atheist? I mean, if I weren't smart enough to understand my life as something more than a spark of light between two eternal darknesses, I would be "proud" of it. I think I'd be keeping that to myself, really.

[Proud Atheist]

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Maybe it seems unfair for God to command that of us, but ours is not to question. Ours is to obey.

That is not an argument, that is just a blind belief, and so it lacks rationality, which is what I would believe in, had I to believe in something. I cannot just accept that god is perfect if he exists, you even contradict yourselves, so I think your word does not count.

And about the one who said that I should not be calling myself proud, I had never really felt proud of being an atheist, not that I felt ashamed, either. I commenced to be proud not exactly of being an atheist, but of not being like you. At least I do not reccur to an imaginary being when I cannot understand why something happens, I endeavour to look for the most probable answer.

As it seems no one here is willing to answer the questions I posted, I will be leaving this forum, hopefully never to come back (I bet you must be happy!!) I just wanted to understand the way you think by talking to you, but it appears that you do not think, or at least not by yourselves. Truly a pity, since I am left with many a question unanswered. So, do not bother posting on this thread, for I will not read it. If the few things that were written here represent the way most of you think, then I am not proud of being an atheist: I am EXTREMELY proud. So, pray for my soul if you will, but hopefully my mind is not be chaged by place or time (O! The irony! If you are literate enough to get it, which I highly doubt.) And by the way, I do not believe we have a soul, and I am PROUD of not being gullible enough to believe it.


Farewell.-

[James Dewitt]

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That is not an argument, that is just a blind belief, and so it lacks rationality, which is what I would believe in, had I to believe in something. I cannot just accept that god is perfect if he exists, you even contradict yourselves, so I think your word does not count.

And about the one who said that I should not be calling myself proud, I had never really felt proud of being an atheist, not that I felt ashamed, either. I commenced to be proud not exactly of being an atheist, but of not being like you. At least I do not reccur to an imaginary being when I cannot understand why something happens, I endeavour to look for the most probable answer.

As it seems no one here is willing to answer the questions I posted, I will be leaving this forum, hopefully never to come back (I bet you must be happy!!) I just wanted to understand the way you think by talking to you, but it appears that you do not think, or at least not by yourselves. Truly a pity, since I am left with many a question unanswered. So, do not bother posting on this thread, for I will not read it. If the few things that were written here represent the way most of you think, then I am not proud of being an atheist: I am EXTREMELY proud. So, pray for my soul if you will, but hopefully my mind is not be chaged by place or time (O! The irony! If you are literate enough to get it, which I highly doubt.) And by the way, I do not believe we have a soul, and I am PROUD of not being gullible enough to believe it.


Farewell.-

Bye bye, don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split ya.

[GOD=life]

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and not a woman, so I cannot be a bitch

So only women can be bitches? That's so sexist.

Oh, but you still do not get me. I cannot hate him, for I do not believe in him.

Do you believe in genocide?

If yes: why do you think it's right to murder huge numbers of people?

If no: so you don't hate genocide? You are a MONSTER! No wonder Hitler was an atheist.

... so if you cannot come with a better responce than one filled with insults

That fallacy is called "poisoning the well".

That is not an argument, that is just a blind belief, and so it lacks rationality, ...

You just used a fallacy yourself.

As a True Christian™, I demand integrity on your part if we are to continue this conversation under the pretense of intellectual equality.