[Moox123]

Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US!

I have but one question to all of you, people.

How can you be certain that The Bible, God and all those other things are true? What proof do you have?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US!

I have but one question to all of you, people.

How can you be certain that The Bible, God and all those other things are true? What proof do you have?

Because God tells us so.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

No go to the introduction thread and introduce yourself, it's the polite thing to do.

YIC

[Moox123]

Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US!

You're answering my question about the bible with the bible. That's circular reasoning and is not logical. Give me some actual proof, other than a quote from a book I'm asking about.

[Moox123]

Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US!

It's like saying that Spiderman exists because his comics say he exists. Doesn't work now, does it?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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It's like saying that Spiderman exists because his comics say he exists. Doesn't work now, does it?

Not at all true. You can go to Midtown NY, the campus at ESU or try to find the Horizon or the Coffee Bean buildings and look for Spider-Man and prove his does not exist.

You can't do so with God so it is obviously different.

Now go to the Introduction Forum, please.

YIC

[Cranky Old Man]

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It's like saying that Spiderman exists because his comics say he exists. Doesn't work now, does it?

Spiderman comics do not claim Spiderman actually exists. The Bible states God exists. See the difference?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US!

I have but one question to all of you, people.

How can you be certain that The Bible, God and all those other things are true? What proof do you have?

Hi Mox123, welcome to our friendly forums!

I think you might be confusing "knowledge" with "proof." I know, for example, that I love my children, but I cannot prove it. I know that life is better with love and mercy, but again I cannot prove it. I know that certain art and music speaks to my soul, but how can I prove it?

For some people, knowing God is like this. They cannot find the "proof" that would satisfy you, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

I hope that helps.

[Moox123]

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I know, for example, that I love my children, but I cannot prove it.

You can prove it. Love is a neurological reaction in your brain, that causes you to care for your loved ones, so that the human race can survive. You love your children even more because they have your genes, and so you want your genes to survive. "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins is a good read and it explain that behaviour. So the 'love of children' is provable.

I know that life is better with love and mercy, but again I cannot prove it.

That is because, as previously mentioned, love and mercy help preserve the human race, as we do not annihilate each other. Love causes us to create better offspring and strong, lasting communities, while mercy prevents the killing of each other. It is all neurological. So it is provable.

I know that certain art and music speaks to my soul, but how can I prove it?

That's your body connecting the certain frequencies from the music your hearing with certain nerves, releasing dopamine. It makes you feel good, which starts emotional reaction like happiness or sadness, depending on what type of music it is.

All knowledge stems from proof. It is through proof that we can acknowledge something as fact, and so gave it the tag of 'knowledge'.
Observation -> Evidence/Proof -> Knowledge

So my question stands. How can you prove that the bible is correct?(without using the bible itself because that's circular reasoning, and is illogical)

[James Hutchins]

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Mox, we call it faith. Just as I have faith that you exist, I have faith that God exists. Tell me, do you have faith in anything or do you doubt anything that you cannot continuously prove with zero error?


By the way, how is freshman year working out for you?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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So my question stands. How can you prove that the bible is correct?(without using the bible itself because that's circular reasoning, and is illogical)

That is unfair.

If I were to ask you to prove ToE without referring to peer reviewed journal articles on evolution would YOU think that was fair?

YIC

[Moox123]

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I generally try things out first, to see for myself that it is true. As to other things, e.g.: conversing with people on the internet, I assume that they also exist. Problem being: I could give you my address and you could come over and prove to yourself that I exist, so I am provable. I generally put faith into provable things, things that if I try them myself, they will be true. Problem with god is that you can't prove him, you can't 'come over' to his domain and see he really exists.

Faith without evidence is irrational, no? So, why would you be irrational, and allow you judgement to be influenced by the concept of god?

Laurence:
Life isn't fair. But still: Peer reviewed science journals are based on observation of the real world, currently. It is constantly provable. The bible on the other hand... science has disproven couple of its theories(e.g.: Genesis and the creation of the world), as well as the reason for many languages, how old is the universe and other things.

So really, you don't need someone else's journal to prove ToE to you. You have to but have enough education, be free-thinking and take a look yourself at the evidence(e.g.: genes, fossils etc.).

[Nobar King]

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Why do you suppose that billions of people believe in the same God and not a billion different ones? Do you think this is some kind of collective delusion?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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You can prove it. Love is a neurological reaction in your brain, that causes you to care for your loved ones, so that the human race can survive. You love your children even more because they have your genes, and so you want your genes to survive. "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins is a good read and it explain that behaviour. So the 'love of children' is provable.

This is the silliest thing I've ever heard. I care for my children so the human race can survive? I'm not Noah.

That is because, as previously mentioned, love and mercy help preserve the human race, as we do not annihilate each other.

So by your definition, muslims aren't human.

That's nice.

I'll bet your mother is proud of you.

That's your body connecting the certain frequencies from the music your hearing with certain nerves, releasing dopamine. It makes you feel good, which starts emotional reaction like happiness or sadness, depending on what type of music it is.

Buy why do those certain frequencies, and not others, release dopamine? Because this is how God created my body to respond to things that inspire my soul.

All knowledge stems from proof. It is through proof that we can acknowledge something as fact, and so gave it the tag of 'knowledge'.
Observation -> Evidence/Proof -> Knowledge

Did you come up with this theory all by yourself?

So my question stands. How can you prove that the bible is correct?(without using the bible itself because that's circular reasoning, and is illogical)

I already answered, my proof won't be acceptable to you. That's okay, because the LORD will speak to you in your own Love Language. You have the choice to respond or ignore. I pray you respond.

[MitzaLizalor]

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That's your body connecting the certain frequencies from the music your hearing with certain nerves, releasing dopamine. It makes you feel good, which starts emotional reaction like happiness or sadness, depending on what type of music it is.

You raise an interesting point. Now I have a question for you. How do you know whether it is HAPPINESS you are experiencing, depending on what type of music it is, or SADNESS?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You're answering my question about the bible with the bible. That's circular reasoning and is not logical. Give me some actual proof, other than a quote from a book I'm asking about.

Unlike you atheists, we don't pull things out of our filthy behinds. We have God's Holy Word to guide us. All you have is the chatter of monkeys.