here is a little thinking to do.

[Guivre]

First, let me say that I'm French and that I don't speak a very good English/American. But know that I will do my best so that you can understand me.

(I was Catholic Christians for 14 years, now i'm atheist, let me explain you)

First, we have to take a primary history lesson:

The Bible consists the old and new testament, comprising 24 book for the first one and a quarantine for the second.
The oldest written record of the complete New Testament was originally made in Greece and is called the Codex Sinaiticus. This codex was written in the year 350 and was transmitted to the Roman Emperor Constantine 1. The fact is that there is no written record before the fourth century.

Christianity was then transmitted through oral for 200 years at least.

Before Christianity, there was Judaism, but there were also all the Greek mythology who was then a true religion. They were pagans, it was their culture (so that our culture is the only god), nobody can blame them, since Christ had not yet emerged.

So, was there a true religion before the coming of Christ?

And who was Jesus Christ?
Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew from Galilee. Indeed, he can't be a Christian, since Christians are those who believe in Jesus. If Jesus had been Christians, it would have meant that he was extremely narcissistic, which is a sin, so he was Jewish.
Why did he come on earth? He is the messiah, he corrected the errors of the Jewish Bible.


The Bible's King Jack is also a translation. Translators are often faced with a difficult choice:
-to translate the text word for word and leave aside the idea that it wants to transmit,

-or translate the idea, even the translators has to change the words.

A translation can't be 100% accurate. Moreover, the translation is made by man, and man is fallible.
SO: We can not rely solely on text to understand the word of God.

I don't believe in God, BUT I agree with the basic principles that seek to transmit the Bible. The man has his faults, those sins are timeless and create the misfortunes of mankind.
What I can do as an atheist is trying to avoid suffering and misfortune, whether it be mine or that of others.

For that, I respect others, their religion, their culture, their language, their ideas.
I "cry" for their sufferings and misfortunes.

Also, I am a scientist. What is inexplicable can be explained. If this is not the case now, just do research and the results will come throught time. I don't explain what I don't understand by the action of a mysterious divine power. It's my choice and I would like you respect that. Believe in what you want, but do not judge when you do not have concrete evidence.

The bible is not a proof, but it is not necessarily wrong:
It transmits ideas that you have to interpret, since the translations may not be completely accurate.

Of course, I expect constructive responses. I hope I gave you thinking to do.


PEACE TO YOU GUYS

[Nobar King]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

For that, I respect others, their religion, their culture, their language, their ideas.
I "cry" for their sufferings and misfortunes.

You are obviously one of the cowardly French fries who has encouraged the islamofascists to over-run France. Well, we don't respect all religions or ideas, thats why we won't let the islamofascists over-run OUR country. Don't think of coming over here to escape them when they institute sharia law- we don't want you.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

A translation can't be 100% accurate.

Agreed. This is why we never use translations. We always use the original KJV1611 Holy Bible!

[Jo Freddie]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

I am sure the good people of landover baptist will come up with plenty of answers for what you have said, but these will still only be excuse trying in a vain attempt to justify their sadistic need to threaten people who are having a much better time then their are with eternal damnation in lakes of fire.

While you wait from them to try to justify their violent and hateful version of a god, where don't you take the time to find out about the One True God, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and the Heaven that awaits in the next life, complete with Beer Volcano and Stripper factory, the output of both will be tailored to your personal needs and desires.

[Mary-Yves Lapierre]

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Hello Guivre, I too am French. Good North American French, not euro surrender-monkey trash like yourself. It is pleasing for you to meet me.

One question, who is King Jack?

[Guivre]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

hey!

In fact i'm seventeen and i don't really like those f*cking guys who are pissing me off with there islamoshit. I just don't judge them IF they don't judge me. But a lot of them do that so I judge them. You'll say hypocrite, i'll say logical.

By the way, you've the atlantic which seperates America for islamofags, we have the mediterranean sea... And it's not working lol


I went here to think. For me, the bible is not a proof, and in the first post, I wrote why it's not a proof.

If you believe in God (I put a G and not a g because it's how it has to be written), well ok, but stop doing quotation and saying they are proof. THEY'RE NOT cause they're not entirely true. This is lying to say that atheist should be dead, because you've no proof.


peace

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

I went here to think.

You never thought before? Is that usual in France?

For me, the bible is not a proof, and in the first post, I wrote why it's not a proof.

I already explained why you are completely and utterly wrong. Why did you ignore that?

[Guivre]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

I didn't see the posts after Nobar king, sorry about that.

KJV1611 Holy Bible is a translation of the Textus Receptus, it was translate on the order of the King James and was first published in 1611. TRANSLATE. It may be more accurate, but can't be 100% accurate.

and sorry, I did a mystake in the original post, I wrote King Jack (because in france we say "le roi Jacque" and we translate "Jacque" as "Jack"... so I wrote King Jack...)
But I was talking about King James of course

Cranky Old Man : is that usal to hate french people in America? It seems to be...

(because of the 700 seconds between posts I didn't reply faster)

[Sister Kitty]

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peace

Does this mean you surrender? Why am I not surprised.

[Guivre]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

It means that i'm not here to "offend" you, just for make you think.

It's funny how you're avoiding the rest of my posts. Afraid?

[Benedict A. Davis]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

hey!

In fact i'm seventeen and i don't really like those f*cking guys who are pissing me off with there islamoshit. I just don't judge them IF they don't judge me. But a lot of them do that so I judge them. You'll say hypocrite, i'll say logical.

By the way, you've the atlantic which seperates America for islamofags, we have the mediterranean sea... And it's not working lol


I went here to think. For me, the bible is not a proof, and in the first post, I wrote why it's not a proof.

If you believe in God (I put a G and not a g because it's how it has to be written), well ok, but stop doing quotation and saying they are proof. THEY'RE NOT cause they're not entirely true. This is lying to say that atheist should be dead, because you've no proof.


peace

So, what you are telling us is......you're not French?

[Once was lost]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

Guivre

(I was Catholic Christians for 14 years, now i'm atheist, let me explain you)

When I look at that statement I can actually endorse that move except that Katolics my friend, are not Christians. So now get yourself a KJ1611 Version of the Bible and find God. Seek the help of the elders here and you might,just might someday be a "True Christian."

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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The Bible's King Jack is also a translation. Translators are often faced with a difficult choice:
-to translate the text word for word and leave aside the idea that it wants to transmit,

-or translate the idea, even the translators has to change the words.

A translation can't be 100% accurate. Moreover, the translation is made by man, and man is fallible.
SO: We can not rely solely on text to understand the word of God.

We're already covered that here. For your convenience, I'll quote the pertinent part:

Similarly, how could the Bible have meaning only in the original languages? No one says that we need to read textbooks in the original Russian in order to understand plasma physics; how is the Bible any different? Can the Almighty not find a way to express Himself in a way that speakers of all languages can understand, and why would a loving God make Bible understanding, and thus salvation, contingent on understanding a meaning that can be gleaned only from the original languages?

[Jacob the Angry Liar]

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First, let me say that I'm French and that I don't speak a very good English/American. But know that I will do my best so that you can understand me.

(I was Catholic Christians for 14 years, now i'm atheist, let me explain you)

Cathlyck and athian? Have fun in Hell...

First, we have to take a primary history lesson:

The Bible consists the old and new testament, comprising 24 book for the first one and a quarantine for the second.
The oldest written record of the complete New Testament was originally made in Greece and is called the Codex Sinaiticus. This codex was written in the year 350 and was transmitted to the Roman Emperor Constantine 1. The fact is that there is no written record before the fourth century.

Simply put, you're wrong. The only true Bible is the KJV. All others are inaccurate translations that were written later.

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.(Galatians 1:6-12)

Christianity was then transmitted through oral for 200 years at least.

Before Christianity, there was Judaism, but there were also all the Greek mythology who was then a true religion. They were pagans, it was their culture (so that our culture is the only god), nobody can blame them, since Christ had not yet emerged.

After the Great Flood, it's likely that the only remaining copy of the KJV 1611 was the one that belonged to Noah. So throughout all 6000 or so years of human history, they haven't been able to reproduce the Bible for a while. It may have been transmitted orally, but it's still based on the KJV.

Your point about the joos and greeks is irrelevant. It doesn't matter since they're all burning in hell for submitting to false gods.

So, was there a true religion before the coming of Christ?

And who was Jesus Christ?
Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew from Galilee. Indeed, he can't be a Christian, since Christians are those who believe in Jesus. If Jesus had been Christians, it would have meant that he was extremely narcissistic, which is a sin, so he was Jewish.
Why did he come on earth? He is the messiah, he corrected the errors of the Jewish Bible.

Jesus is not a Joo!

The Bible's King Jack is also a translation. Translators are often faced with a difficult choice:
-to translate the text word for word and leave aside the idea that it wants to transmit,

-or translate the idea, even the translators has to change the words.

A translation can't be 100% accurate. Moreover, the translation is made by man, and man is fallible.
SO: We can not rely solely on text to understand the word of God.

I don't believe in God, BUT I agree with the basic principles that seek to transmit the Bible. The man has his faults, those sins are timeless and create the misfortunes of mankind.
What I can do as an atheist is trying to avoid suffering and misfortune, whether it be mine or that of others.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Timothy 3:16)

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. (Deuteronomy 12:32)


knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. (2 Peter 10:20-21)

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you (Deuteronomy 4:2)

For that, I respect others, their religion, their culture, their language, their ideas.
I "cry" for their sufferings and misfortunes.

Also, I am a scientist. What is inexplicable can be explained. If this is not the case now, just do research and the results will come throught time. I don't explain what I don't understand by the action of a mysterious divine power. It's my choice and I would like you respect that. Believe in what you want, but do not judge when you do not have concrete evidence.

The bible is not a proof, but it is not necessarily wrong:
It transmits ideas that you have to interpret, since the translations may not be completely accurate.

Of course, I expect constructive responses. I hope I gave you thinking to do.


PEACE TO YOU GUYS

Can't you read? The Bible is not for personal interpretation! It's 100% accurate. If you read the scripture I posted, you should be able to understand this. I understand that as a French, your intelligence isn't up to par with us Americans, but I hope that by extensive study, you can get a basic understanding of Christian principles, maybe even enough to be Saved™. wouldn't that be nice?

[Guivre]

Re: here is a little thinking to do.

Pastor Isaac Peters: It's seems that you did think about it.

And this "No one says that we need to read textbooks in the original Russian in order to understand plasma physics" is false...

The equations are created with standards that make them understandable regardless of country of origin. It means that there is no translation to do, because the proofs/equations are not done in a "language".

The ideas in the bible are in the words. If you mistranslate one, you can't understand the real meaning.

you recall contingencies, not proofs.

And for Jacob11: you're name is jewish (oh yeah and it has to be written "ya`aqov" or "יעקב") F-F-F-FAAIL

"I understand that as a French, your intelligence isn't up to par with us Americans"
You're dumb dude.
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